MTG Salvation

majority vote = mob rule. no thanks.

Dear wotc,

I would gladly sacrifice five, no six goats if you would print a Serra card.

I would slit their throats, bathe in their blood, and burn their hearts as offering to you should you do me this small kindness.

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I try to build my decks so that the have multiple ways to win and try to encourage other's in my play-group to do the same. I also try to encourage players who dislike combo to run and hold onto removal or meta cards, and explain timing options for cards such as Deadeye Navigator or mike/trike. Sometimes the frustrating thing about combo is not knowing how to dismantle it, and just a small amount of knowledge and deck preparation can go a long ways.

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By the way, is Voyager Staff considered "flex"? Never played with it, personally.

Also, how about Frantic Search? Seems like an awesome way to draw/discard, essentially for free.

I run both of these cards. I would cut Frantic Search before Windfall, but they really serve two different jobs. Voyager Staff is one of my favorite cards in the deck and just seems to open so many lines of play. I would cut executioner's capsule before it.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I do appreciate it, but at this moment we have a lot of newer plays and my playgroup is trying to soften a bit to help them enjoy the game. While our core players have a well developed meta and enjoy a tight competitive game, we want to ease in the new blood and retain them rather than scare them off with bad play experiences due to board locks and no-win scenarios. Forcefield provides some protection while also avoiding negative play experiences. I should have been more clear about that in the first post - i was just a bit tired.

I've enjoyed HangarBack a great deal in my Glissa deck, but it recurs and extracts value in a very different way than Sharuum. Baleful Strix is probably my weakest creature slot, and I'd never pull it for Hangarback. I'd get Glassdust Hulk or Sharding Sphinx first. That being said I'm open to listening to an argument for walker's favor, but I foree it being a hard sell.

There is so much to learn from this thread that it's difficult to absorb in one reading.

My suggestion? Don't put anything into your engine deck that you don't personally understand. I assure you that many, if not all, of the cards discussed will go through at least one iteration of your deck. If your having difficulty with a card or interaction then ask, and if it still doesn't feel right then cut it. It may not match your style or meta, and that's ok.


Look at any card in the deck and ask yourself "When would I tutor for this, and why?"

Sometimes the table just has your number. I've had games where I ate five+ artifact targeted wipes by turn ten before being crypt'd. The deck (value sharuum) is actually already well geared to go against control. Just runn out trinkets and innocuous widgets first. They're useful for defense but not worth countering. Then try baiting counters with dangerous sounding stuff like Time Sieve or Mindslaver before actually playing a real engine card.

Basically, Play for second place until it's time to win.

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As much as I'd like to believe that I'd really love to hear how you get 4 Force of Wills (430$ total), for example, for 20$ each in 2015.

I remember trading Balduvian Horde for entire playsets of Force of Will. That's how most long term players have all of these expensive cards. You see a $200+ Tundra, and I see a land that I traded a Shivan Dragon for back when revised was still on game shelves.

Aaaaah kill it with fire. On iPhone in the U.K.

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I mean, I think mostly people are just mad at him for the whole Brexit thing.



Besides what's already been said, one point specifically on limited resources - limited resources would be fine and not banned if it worked as intended and said "as long as there are (5 x number of players) lands, players can't play lands." The problem is when played early it says "2 players get 3 lands and 2 players get 2...forever." God forbid it's a 5+ person game. It's just a card that wasn't designed with multiplayer in mind. Same reason trade secrets is banned.

Balance could honestly maybe be unbanned imo. While it's extremely nasty and broken when built around, (1) it takes a lot of effort to build around, you need a ton of artifacts, ways to sac lands, discard cards, no creatures, tutors to hit it reliably, etc...it's really a build-around combo piece, not an unconditional land/hand/board wipe and (2) I thought the point of the banlist was to ban stuff that's accidentally evil, not stuff that's only evil if you really work at it. Otherwise food chain, doomsday, lab man, etc would be banned to oblivion.

It's just politics, and everyone knows the best way to solve perceived but unproven and dubious problems, while virtue signalling, is to go full reverse on whatever the "problem" is.

I grew up looking at semi naked, or just plain naked women on Frazetta's art and never saw (and will never see) the problem. In fantasy all the warriors are impossibly muscled, the rogues impossibly dexterous and the women impossibly beautiful. Conan and Red Sonya are two sides of the same coin. It is literally the way the genre works and it neither pretends to have nor has any bearing on reality. Or even intent to affect it.

However, the people who are imposing this discussion on everyone do and the rest of us have to suffer through their ideological militancy, and all the absurdity it comes with.

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I find flaw in the reasoning that just because a deck plays those archetype it elevates them directly into being a competitive deck.

I find it kind of rude for me to be playing a fair mono white deck with angels and stuff and my opponent is playing MLD. I would like to pick something at least a little more appropriate to play against that kind of a tactic. There are a lot of fair decks in magic that really can't hold a flame to that style or level of deck unless they are designed to play that way. I am not saying that you have to tell me what your deck does beforehand but saying you are playing a competitive deck will tell me not to play casual angels against it.

I am just saying I want a chance to play said game of magic. This is a social game. If you want to goldfish games of magic where I can't interact then why am I even playing? I play magic for the back and forth exchange not to see if I can win a game nobody else is playing.

The priority should be to not adopt WoTC's banlist from their digital version of EDH into the paper version.

The EDH ban list is managed by players, this is financially inconvenient for WoTC

so what do they do?

Start elbowing into the ban/restrict process by doing exactly what we've seen with these blue cantrips in the digital form

WoTC wants us to be on the forums worrying about how to adapt our paper format to their digital format even though they do not share a ban list. (I think you're only hurting yourself to play paper EDH using the whack home brew digital Commander ban list)

WoTC can go pound sand. I'll keep my EDH decks in line with the actual banlist, seperate from their BS thank you very much! Try making a better format of your own, manage that into oblivion while you're at it too WoTC!

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How does the combo with Mirrorpool work? Sharuum cant come into play and target itself can it?

I believe it can, because you'd choose the physical card Sharuum to put in your graveyard as a state-based action, before you declare targets for the ETB ability. This is how the combo worked previously, more or less, except you couldn't choose which Sharuum died, so it would always be the other Sharuum. But the timing is the same.

Simply put, you would crack Mirrorpool and copy the 'true' Sharuum. Copy ETBs, true Sharuum dies and is resurrected with the copy's ability. From then on, you'd let true Sharuum die every time, and target itself with it's ability because by the time you choose the target, it's already in the graveyard thanks to the Legend rule.

Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone.

my favorite is eureka

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Whoever designed the red/x legends this time doesn't get it.