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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    No, not that you "should", just surprised that you don't, more especially in a game this small. Eurovision I don't think you weighed in on me until near EoD1, but you had a Silver to focus on there.
    which is different from this game how?
    I know it's only five fewer players, but I feel pretty hyper aware of everyone/like it's a lot easier to keep track of opinions/reads. I guess it's just me projecting.
    Quote from tomsloger »
    In this case the shroop would be "cantrip added me being scum so as to not look like he knew i was town even though that doesnt actually make sense in context"

    And it still doesnt even with your explanation tbh. Youre talking about townkj who wouldnt know so...
    Slant I'm not usually this bad at communicating. Let me try again:

    I think it feels more likely to be town!KJ trying to figure out Tom's alignment based on what Tom's doing with that quote-vote combo, specifically if it makes scum!Tom more likely.
    Quote from Tom »
    Still no read. I want to say trying to make me give one is town but it probably isnt if scumcantrip thinks hes doing well because hes super aware of how i read him etc but
    Well
    Lets be honest scumcantrip usually NKs me tonight and its not like my forced out d1 opinion would really change peoples mind in lylo or whatever so who really cares
    I mean, if I'm scum, I'm not doing well because Shadow (the other player I'd be most fearful of as scum) is scumreading me (by default, but still). Heck, I'd probably say that scum!me is as likely to push you for a read because I'd be trying to figure out how badly I needed to kill you. [Now you get to decide if this is me being honest or cheeky. :p ) But I feel a little less paranoid that you're scum holding off on weighing in with a super strong "he's scum" read on me D2 for the win.
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Readlist, in order of my confidence in reading them correctly:

    Tubba - null but i will get there
    Kj - town. Seems obvious within his current trajectory of self improvement
    Cantrip - null but i usually get there
    Kcc - scum, Shrugs
    Rhand - town but im rarely right
    Shadow - scum but im never right
    I agree with two of the non-me reads here, possibly four. Care to guess as to which ones?
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    What is SHROOPing?
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    No, not that you "should", just surprised that you don't, more especially in a game this small. Eurovision I don't think you weighed in on me until near EoD1, but you had a Silver to focus on there.
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Im not refusing to weigh in on you, i dont have a read yet.

    Its basically the same as tubba. For both of you, because of history, i feel my read should hold extra weight.
    As a result, im not gonna give a frivolous one. Im gonna overthink everything and wait for an overall conclusion that i feel good about putting into the thread to be sheeped. Its the way i work.
    So im gonna sit here. Let the read come to me. Collate everything. Get it right because i know i can eventually.

    Kcc on the other hand... Played with her twice never seen her as scum before but think she is here so YOLO
    I just feel like you're generally very free with your opinions/reads. Maybe it's more noticeable here because there are so few players? I don't know. Still feels strange to me.
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    But wouldn't KJ being paranoid be more indicative of him being town?
    It depends on how. -That reaction feels less like townKJ being paranoid of a potential scumTom and more like scumKJ worried that townTom was on to him already, with a caught for the wrong reason vibe.
    I think it feels more likely to be town!KJ trying to figure out what Tom (possibly scum!Tom) is doing with that quote-vote combo.
    see this is scummy prolly. My alignment has no relevance at all to this point about kj so shoehorning the "possibly scum!tom" when just saying "tom" is easier/more natural reads to like SHROOPing to avoid TMI.

    Thats the sort of thing i would point out if i wasnt going for a more overall read on your mindset that i believe will have a higher accuracy (specifically for me reading you) than that sort of thing
    Ah, I wasn't clear. I meant "possibly scum!Tom from KJ's perspective", as in KJ specifically trying to figure out if what you were doing was scummy.
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    But wouldn't KJ being paranoid be more indicative of him being town?
    It depends on how. -That reaction feels less like townKJ being paranoid of a potential scumTom and more like scumKJ worried that townTom was on to him already, with a caught for the wrong reason vibe.
    I think it feels more likely to be town!KJ trying to figure out what Tom (possibly scum!Tom) is doing with that quote-vote combo.
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    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    Fair enough, but it still feels like waiting even just 24 hours before highlighting that would have been optimal.

    I probably would have waited a bit if you didn't specifically ask me about Tom.
    Did you feel pressured to answer? Why not say you were waiting to weigh in?
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    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    all her posts since then have been reactive
    It just feels that way because the top poster is voting me and not much else is going on. I'm also looking into KJ, he just doesn't post quite as often as tom
    Eh, maybe.
    Quote from KCC »
    As for 113, yes, I want Shadow's thoughts on Rhand there
    Ok? I mean, it's still the only avenue of attack you're pursuing, so maybe legit.

    Shadow, what specifically did you like from Tubba when you made #67?

    Tom, When was the last time you refused to weigh in on me? I've come to fear you as THE most likely to catch me as scum (but obviously not the most likely to correctly read me as town given Eurovision). Mildly pinged by you saying you don't have an opinion on me yet.
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Tom's vote on me seems to assume I thought (knew?) that shadow was breadcrumbing watcher

    But, no, not really. The vote was for missing the breadcrumb, not role hunting.

    I'm used to you having unusual interpretations of posts, but this feels more like paranoia
    But wouldn't KJ being paranoid be more indicative of him being town?
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    I'm pretty sure I've seen town!Tom keep his reads close, so ymmv
    I'm well aware that it's a 2 game meta I'm working with, but he felt so obviously town in Euro to me.
    Ok.
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    but why highlight this read this early in the game (as opposed to waiting for Tom to either continue as-is or change)?
    If I'm right about his scum play, and why, and my read encourages him to adjust, I think that'll just make him easier to read, not harder

    And there's not much of a later to wait for. As much as I'd like to, I can't really set 2/3rds of the game on the back burner when Tomorrow is potential lylo
    Fair enough, but it still feels like waiting even just 24 hours before highlighting that would have been optimal.
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    @Cantrip: WRT Tubba/Tom, yes, I am pretty sure I have been in all the gams they’ve been in together. (And I think tom and I have discussed it out of game).
    Ok, then not as odd as I originally thought.
    Quote from Shadow »
    @cantrip/KJ: I’m voting Cantrip because I have town leanings/pings on every other player.
    You're...you're default-voting me? XD Ok then.
    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    I think it’s probably what he says it is, he wants me to be better. I think it’d be easier to just pocket or ignore me.
    This doesn't feel like the kind of aspect that Tom would manipulate for scum advantage. Good point.

    Not sure I agree with Tom's tonal read on KCC, but all her posts since then have been reactive except for 113, which feels like KCC is trying to allude to something/get Shadow focused on Rhand without committing to it/change the subject.
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
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    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    KCC, talk to me about Tom. How do you go about sussing him?
    I'm not sure it works yet, but his posts just felt dramatically different between Modern and Euro. His scum game was guarded, and intentionally hard to read. In Euro, he was much more open, I could feel him reaching out and probing rather than being withdrawn.

    So far, I've seen some signs of him being difficult and keeping his cards close to his chest. I'm hoping it's an early game thing that turns around, because scumTom was not a fun project last time
    I'm pretty sure I've seen town!Tom keep his reads close, so ymmv, but why highlight this read this early in the game (as opposed to waiting for Tom to either continue as-is or change)?
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    Yes, but I’m not sure I see anything AI. I have a soft spot for Tubba’s self meta, and I’m also intrigued by tom’s interest in him atm.
    Because?
    Because Tom has the relationship with Tubba that he does, as described by Tom earlier.
    Were you aware of Tom's relationship before he described it in 50 (after you indicated being intrigued)?
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    Unvote, Vote Cantrip
    Morning, you scum?
    You seriously couldn't have waited, like, 30 minutes? Also: no.
    What would 30 min have done exactly? I would have voted you the same after your post.
    Given that I hadn't posted since Friday, how was your vote "real" and not a pressure vote?
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
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    Quote from Cantripmancer »

    Tom, I'm getting mixed messages from you on Tubba. You've gone from demanding to expressing your feelings as would a mother hawk to "not being impressed". But no real read yet?
    dont think theres any mixed messages there, dudes gotta start flying and im watching
    Ok, then.
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    @KJ/Tom: yes, I think the presence in the thread has been townie, and I do specifically see at least something from each player here that I think comes from town more often than scum.
    what do you see from kcc?
    You felt the need to reiterate this after I reiterated it two posts before because...?
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Cantrip: My RVS vote on shadow was Vezok's RVS vote in Eurovision. Was kinda hoping scum would jump on that but no one remembered it.
    Town read on KJ intensifying. Why couldn't you have been this easy to read in Eurovision?
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    Sorry, busy weekend.

    Unvote
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    @KJ: I get that a lot. Out of curiosity, despite the rather low amount of posts, has anything stuck out to you?
    What were you expecting to get out of this question?
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Aside: no one's got the reference yet. Frown
    I feel like I should have gotten it; what was it?
    Quote from Rhand »
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Fair answer, I think generally you’re right. Also, do I seem like a “blend in” sort of guy :p

    You did place a RVS vote, which is very un-you
    Rhand/Shadow probably unaligned.
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Yes, but I’m not sure I see anything AI. I have a soft spot for Tubba’s self meta, and I’m also intrigued by tom’s interest in him atm.
    Because?
    Quote from Killjoy »
    I swear to god I'm not this easy to read.
    Strong townlean on KJ.
    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Reads as yet are pretty sparse, Tom usually has kid gloves on around me and his pushing me this game, which could mean anything with Tom. Probably >scummy, as I think it’d be easier to just bury me without getting his hands as dirty.

    KCC >scummy by dint of mixing it up with Tom and Shadow, but I’m not familiar with their play so well salted.
    Going by context, ">scummy" = towny/not scummy?
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Unvote, Vote Cantrip
    Morning, you scum?
    You seriously couldn't have waited, like, 30 minutes? Also: no.

    KCC, talk to me about Tom. How do you go about sussing him?

    Shadow, you didn't answer Tom's #73; what are your thoughts on KCC?

    Tom, I'm getting mixed messages from you on Tubba. You've gone from demanding to expressing your feelings as would a mother hawk to "not being impressed". But no real read yet?
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    One more post, just so I can savor the sensation of being top poster for once. Grin
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    I know how this happened. Evil Lol

    It's fine, just get rid of the Cant and become Ripmancer
    You, madam, are awesome.

    As always, I may be a little light in participation over the weekend. Sorry, especially since it's shorter phases.
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Player list is alphabetical except for Cantrip, way to go megs.
    I know how this happened. Evil Lol
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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - DAY ONE
    Vote tomsloger

    C-C-Conga breaker!!
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia Signups
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    Yesss. If this game doesn’t last at least six months, don’t even talk to me.

    Deadlines of 12 weeks, change abilities based on IRL seasons
    Players in Colorado OP; pls nerf.

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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia Signups
    Would absolutely /in if I hadn't reviewed it. DV's put together something pretty spectacular, imo.
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