MTG Salvation

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I won't rule out anybody petard. I would be foolish to do so. But you won't flip town, and then we move on from there.

The only downside to your lynch is unlike others you have no noticeable links to anyone else. That was the bit you did well for your team.

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Is this common practice on mtgs? Petard is speaking for sir karn now.

Petard, you can believe I'm defending Rhand, I just refuse to put the game at lylo so a lower priority suspects alignment can be revealed for prophylaxis. Am I seriously the only person who finds this a ridiculous idea?
I haven't ever been an advocate if lynching Rhand, at no point has an arguement been out up that makes enough sense to push for his lynch. Just because one player wants to force it through and two suspects of mine see an opportunity to misrepresent me over it doesn't mean I am going to change my view.

I think hawk is town, maybe I'm defending him too? Lets lynch him and see what his alignment brings shal we?
No, cos that would be stupid, so forgive me if I won't be threatened into being part of a potential mislynch.

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I have never endorsed the Rhand lynch sir karn. And the fact you feel the need to step inbetween my discussion with Proph has me wondering if you are looking for any opportunity to create more suspects to avoid the lynch yourself.

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I agree with most of your rundown generic, I just think in a rhand mislynch you should look sirkarns way. You ask who was on his case and karn isn't one of the names you mention.

Generic was stating that he would look in the way of the first person who hopped on Rhand (which happened before the quick 'hammer') and that was Proph.

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I kind of see that last rhand post as an attempt at momentum to completely eliminate me, and if that's the case and I flip town, I'd say that's one scum.

I don't know what post you're looking at, but Rhand's last post looks a lot more like trying to spare you at least a Day. He's not trying to eliminate you in any way.

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@generic and hawk, since you two seem to be the accepted town right now, can I have your opinion on how each of these scenarios will play out on the next day?
1. lynch me-I flip town
2. lynch me-I flip scum
3. lynch mrhblue- he flips town
4. lynch mrhblue- he flips scum
5. then each outcome for karn and rhand.

1. Not a huge amount changes on my T/S list, because as I pointed out everyone, including under this scenarios 2 mafia players, has named you as one of the two or three scummiest. What does happen is I get a little more paranoid about whether shark finnigan or prophylaxis are one of the remaining mafia but generally have a working pool of MRHBlue, sir karn and then rhand by the simple numbers game.

2. If you flip scum we have two day phases to decide between MRHBlue, sir karn and rhand, again as already stated.

3. It’s an interesting one if MRHBLue flips town, because then I look at prophylaxis and wonder whether it was just a keen eye (bearing in mind he himself claims he isn’t the best reader of players in mafia) or if he already knew that and made the attempt at scoring town points off one of the more likely mislynches. Again though petard and sir karn remain chief suspects, the only thing that changes for sir karn is we no longer have the evidence of MRHBlue rescuing him in the mass claim part of the game (there is plenty more he has posted himself that leads me to suspect him).

4. Sir Karn would be a stronger prospect for mafia than petard if MRHBlue flips scum, but it still becomes a straight out choice between the two for me under this condition.

5.
Karn = town. Petard is still one of the scummiest, joined by rhand. I would I assume be under scrutiny having ‘hammered’ him earlier in the day phase, although from my perspective I don’t feature in this analysis, that’s one for hawks list im sure. MRHBlue would be one I would have to reassess because some of the issue with him was his actions in that mass claim and this would be another step back towards town if karn is actually town, because MRHBlue had no reason to protect him.

Karn = scum. MRHBlue is up there as my top suspect and if not MRHBLUe petard is also lingering in that bottom 2 as well. Petards inexperience suggests he would be the one to bus but not be alert to pulling out of it before it is too late, and he was very fast in pulling his vote when it was discovered sir karn wasn’t hammered. So actually, petard is equal to MRHBLue if karn flips scum.

Rhand = town. I look at those who began to push a case against him as one of them is likely to have had an agenda. I cross reference that with suspects of rhand that he may have mentioned even casually in his posts and see who needed to try and force him from the game before he got on their trail. I haven’t looked too heavily into this scenario because I haven’t seen rhand as a serious choice for the vote yet. There is suspicion but I haven’t felt there is a full case against him. Out of my current suspects nothing changes from this flip at all, except that there might be only one of the three is mafia with the rhand critic (was it shark or proph who was first to make the case against rhand?)

Rhand = scum. Whoever started the case on him gets head table status in the town section, because I hadn’t seen it myself. I then look at who rhand was really keen to lynch, sir karn I think was one of them, and move them towards the town section. But the danger there is whether rhand would bus two teammates, because he effectively already bussed irebel in this scenario.
That’s why this one makes least sense to me, his idea of the mass claim hung irebel out to dry. Was that unintentional and he expected irebel to do better? Seems a bit of a stretch, that’s why I haven’t considered the scenarios for rhand too heavily.



So from the 6 scenarios that dont involve petards flip i dont see any where you move towards town. Hawk set up a very strong summary case regarding you and a lot of those points are ones i have mentioned myself, none of which actually depend on the alignment of others. Thats why you are the certainty in a lot of the remaining players minds and possibly why the other mafia player has cut you loose himself.
If scenario 1 ends up happening i still have 2 strong suspects who have already been shown to be linked to eachother, and this is why i asked the question about the best choice for today, because of that one lingering option.

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Also, do you have any comments on what I posted why I think you are scum?

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I would have to do like 10 T/S lists, this might take a while.