MTG Salvation

Quote from immapwner »

I don't know guys this doesn't seem legit. These cards are from m14 and rtr respectively, why would we be getting them as promos now? They don't even have the new frame. I think someone is trolling us.
The funniest part is that he said they made a "mistake" of bringing the duel deck and opening it. They would know exactly what they were doing...

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If you look at the Chandra's fury image, the copy right is for 2013. Stealer of secrets is 2014, but I still doubt the legitimacy of these promos.

Sorry, going to have to debunk you. Many times they overprint promotional material that they use for these conventions, and these are likely leftovers from previous years. This is a new convention for WOTC, and they likely wanted to bring as much as they could for the fans, and getting rid of a couple of cases of extra old promos that are sitting in the back room is a pretty logical and common thing to see.

Don't be paranoid about the sets or the dates or the card frame, because honestly this is likely all that this is... getting rid of extra crap in the back room from old cons.

Quote from kinematik

It's a small expansion set though so you can't expect a ton of format warping Standard staple cards.

That's absolutely NOT what I'm saying. As someone who's been through every spoiler season since this site began back during Mirrodin block... I sure as heck know what spoiler season looks like, and how it plays out. I've been on both sides of the "bad set/good set" team and have been a big cheerleader for new sets 9/10 times, using many of the same retorts you're making now.

With any set, there are some great cards I'll be happy to own (Kiora's going in my cube for sure). However, when I look at a set on the whole, it factors if I will buy boxes, attend prerelease, build casual decks, attend FNM's more frequently, draft the set, etc. It's not about Standard, which is not a format I'm even playing right now.

For me, it's not about reprints or broken cards, it's about what's fun to play for ME. Personally, I'm not having a ton of fun with Theros, but that's my opinon. I certainly don't mind someone having to disagree... but I will not be lumped into the group that fires off irrational thoughts for the sake of trolling. My comment above was in line with "you know, I'm seeing people who normally are more optimistic being critical of this set." You went right to "OMG SHUT UP YOU PEOPLE HATE EVERYTHING."

Colossal Whale is sad...

Quote from ActionJunkie

I.don't.get.it.

This block looks like a blast. Tribute, scrying, and inspired are all "next level" MTG critical thinking compared to metalcraft/battlecry/etc like we've gotten from the last few blocks. What is there not to like? Looks like fun!

Magic is one of those "each their own" games. Part of the beauty of it is that it changes all of the time, and there is always something that will pleasantly shock people that they undervalued. For example, while I personally think Theros is MUCH better than Scars was, there were some people who LOVED that set.

We will ALWAYS have people disapointed with new sets, and every now and again that person is you. This time I'm a hater, and you're a lover. Next time it may just swap. It's part of the thing that makes this game so great. It's always different and there will always be room for change.

We should be happy about this, and celebrate. As those who aren't enjoying it will take a break, come back later refreshed, and enjoy the game with a new gusto. I've been playing for over ten years, and have taken SEVERAL breaks. You just learn to enjoy it as a mini vacation, and savor jumping back in once something appeals.

I can confirm that Wal Mart will match, but only if you have proof of the price that Walgreens is selling. My wife and I went to two different Wal-Marts with a copy of the "4-day" add as well as a photo of the tag at a local Wal Mart (both posted below). They gave my wife a bit of a wait while people went to get the managers, but I had no issue at all. After all was said and done we got about 40 total boosters between the two of us.

Also note that this sale ends on the 7th, which may or may not matter.

http://images.iheartwags.com/ad_scans/2013/1204/walgreens-120413.pdf (page 2)

http://i.imgur.com/SK0DOBK.jpg

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Just goes to show that when I play Enduring Ideal, I'm doing "God's Work."

Yup, people should stop hating on WOTC for this. They have two major customers. Us, and the shops. I'm all for giving them the ability to make up for hits they take on other things. One bad set, and it's a rough few months for a brick and mortar shops.

I think this is a case of "no i don't want my favorite thing to become popular." It happens with bands, movies, tv shows, and games.

The reason why this is good for the game? Exposure. TableTop didn't ruin the boardgame hobby, and this won't ruin Magic. No one is telling you how to play, who to play against, and what shops to go to. If you don't like what the scene becomes in your local meta, then go to a different shop or start up your own regular group.

Besides, it's not like every person that writes for SCG, CFB, Gathering Magic, TCG, or any other website are nessessarily there because they are the best Magic players around.

I agree with the OP to an extent. I don't mind the gimmicks if they aren't manditory for participating. I've seen some shops skip the fluff all together and just run a "regular" prerelease when it was easy to do so (ISD's "tribal wars" strickers, and even the Helvault where they just opened it up instead of "beating the challanges"). However, I'm not a huge fan of the "required" gimmicks that effect game play.

I'm all for giving shops traffic in this day and age... but being that Sealed is my favorite format, and this is the only time I really get to play it... I'm a bit bummed that there's always going to be SOMETHING extra to think about other than game play. Trying to explain to a new player why they are doing it "just for today" just adds frustration to an already overwhelming day.

DGM prerelease was a MESS, and everywhere you looked online people were positively flipping out that the guild packs weren't explained well enough. There was so much wrong information and confusion with new players.

I really am not looking forward to the 20-million "so do I get to pick my Hero card or what?" threads on Reddit.

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That's absolutely NOT what I'm saying. As someone who's been through every spoiler season since this site began back during Mirrodin block... I sure as heck know what spoiler season looks like, and how it plays out. I've been on both sides of the "bad set/good set" team and have been a big cheerleader for new sets 9/10 times, using many of the same retorts you're making now.

With any set, there are some great cards I'll be happy to own (Kiora's going in my cube for sure). However, when I look at a set on the whole, it factors if I will buy boxes, attend prerelease, build casual decks, attend FNM's more frequently, draft the set, etc. It's not about Standard, which is not a format I'm even playing right now.

For me, it's not about reprints or broken cards, it's about what's fun to play for ME. Personally, I'm not having a ton of fun with Theros, but that's my opinon. I certainly don't mind someone having to disagree... but I will not be lumped into the group that fires off irrational thoughts for the sake of trolling. My comment above was in line with "you know, I'm seeing people who normally are more optimistic being critical of this set." You went right to "OMG SHUT UP YOU PEOPLE HATE EVERYTHING."

Point taken, I should be more aware of people's post counts when replying. I'm still relatively a newbie in these forums and I will admit when I'm wrong about something. However, I think it is hard to judge ANY new set without full spoilers at the very least. IMO true judgement should be reserved until a month after the release date when everyone had a chance to playtest the new cards in all formats.

Girlfriend >>>>> Playing new completely untested deck in 1 week old standard.


This is a no brainer. Play in a few weeks when there's an actual metagame to think about.

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Quote from gereffi

She thinks that women need to treat each other better, and that men need to treat women better too. In reality, Magic players just make jokes about each other and women being made fun of too means that they're being treated as equals. That's just how guys act in large groups, and you can't expect players to change how they act just because there are women around.

I personally can't write off the experience I've had in certain M:tG environments as "just how guys act in large groups." Like, I've had guys scream at me "Get back in the kitchen, *****!" during a draft, talk about how ugly and unskilled all women who play Magic are, or write off skilled female players as girlfriends or hangers-on even when they outperform the guys on their team. There are definitely segments of the Magic scene that are hostile to women; at the store where I got sworn out unprovoked in a draft, there were no regular female Magic players even though there were tons of female gamers in that area -- I wonder why? But the LGS I go to now has none of that kind of nonsense, because the players are more mature and the judges are more vigilant about addressing it.

I wouldn't go to a "ladies' night" myself because that sounds kind of weird to me but I think it's good that there's a network of women who play M:tG trying to get other women into the game. Gaming communities in general are often seen as being unwelcoming to women (sometimes reasonably), so having women welcome other women to M:tG helps dispel false preconceptions.

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There are much more important first questions to ask.

Do you want to work 12 hrs a day/7 days a week?

Do you have or can get 100k to start a business?

Can you accept that lots of start ups fold in a year or that it takes 3+ year to be profitable?

Can you and/or family accept the stress of being a small business owner?

It takes time to develop a reputation and business relationship with WOTC and distributors?

Can your area support another Game Shop?

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