Seems pretty solid.I don't like Domestication, but that's purely a personal choice. I might go 3 & 3 on Dimir Charm and Thoughtseize. So, yeah, looks really good.
What would you consider besides the domestication? I kinda like it because from time to time it can help me get thasa online. I like the 3/3 thoughtseize dimir charm split, I will try that.
The problem I feel like is limiting the interaction with the cards you have in play with the cards your opponents have in their hands, giving your opponents targets for their removal and giving them 2 for 1's is not how a control deck that cannot draw cards win.
I don't know if this deck has been discussed or not but a friend and I sat down and designed a white and red deck revolving around controlling your opponent while using enchantments, planeswalkers, and spot removal.
Our goal was to make a deck that was good in the current meta and is highly synergistic with itself. There are many great synergies and psuedo combos and soft locks in the deck. Also the deck features great devotion possibilities and late game mana generation so 4 nykthos are included.
Im currently on my phone so i will post an exact decklist later but for now i will list some of the key cards.
Creature control: chained to the rocks, magma jet, mizzium mortars, anger the gods
Enchantment control suite: blind obedience, sphere of saftey, spear of heliod
Win conditions: hammer of purphoros, purphoros, heliod, chandra, elspeth, tajic, boros reckoner, aurelina's fury, and the white 4/4 flying first strike bestow guy(name escapes me)
So as you can see it has multiple lines of play and ways to win. Extort with obedience, kill with gods, purphoros triggers, token overload, huge aurelina's fury, bestow tajic and slam into their face over and over.
Blind obedience + sphere of saftey and other enchantments make it very difficult for agressive strategies while not being totally dead vs control eot token overload and extorting them with every card played.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
I think if I decided to add another armada wurm the only card I would replace would be reaper of the wilds or polukranos. What are your thoughts?
Although desecration demon is a good card I just dont think that it fits well with this deck. My other midrange threats are better 4-6 cost range. Not to mention that polukranos when you monstrous him you can actually double the damage he deals with strionic resonator. On the other hand desecration demon trigger can be doubled with the resonator as well so that could be nice I suppose and he does have evasion. Hmm I will have to think about that one for a bit.
Been brewing this deck up for a couple weeks and after testing against the 3 best decks in the format, mbd, mud, and esper control I have to say that it has incredibly favorable matchups pre-side. Just looking for a little help tweaking, maybe I missed some cards that would be nice additions, and just a bit of help with the sb.
Tell you a bit about the deck first. This is a Junk Midrange Control deck at its heart. It likes to disrupt your early game and kill your threats, then likes to stabalize midgame with difficult to deal with threats. The difference here is about the same time I can start reanimating game ending creatures from my graveyard and abusing very lethal ETB effects with a very under looked card Strionic Resonator. Resonator basically says, Oh armada wurm is a nice card for 6 mana, how bout for 8? Or for 10? How about Ashen Rider?
So now that you have a better understanding I will let you see it and then please feel free to leave any sort of constructive criticism that would be much appreciated!
Thanks, I didn't know about that card. Which do you think is better then Obzedats aid with its sorcery speed plus the benefeits of it being any permanent vs the rescue from the underworld instant speed and possible double citp effects?
Hey everyone after being away from magic for a few years I have returned and have played in a couple FNM's with mono black devotion and yp$wins. I was looking at some top decks from the previous standard formats and saw Junk rites, and thought that it still might be possible in this format. We have access to good midrange dudes in junk colors with polukranos, blood baron, and obzedat. Still have a great removal/disruption package with abrupt decay, hero's downfall, and thoughtseize. Grisly salvage can put stuff in our yard for us, and we can use rescue from the underworld at their eot to bring something awesome back like pharika's mender (to get our whip from the yard if it got salvaged) ashen rider, and angel of serenity. Naturally after I saw their citp effects I got to thinking what other cards in junk colors are bombs that have great citp effects. Which led me to strionic resonator... How sick would it be to bring your ashen rider, angel of serenity back and double the effect, or even triple or better with multiples in play, or double the effect when polukranos becomes monstrous, even obzedat loves resonator. So what other great citp junk bombs are there? I sort of have a mock list thats a couple cards short of either 24 or 25 lands, and doesnt have any lands in it yet so I dont really want to post it yet. Forgive me if something like this is already being talked about but I lurked around for a bit and couldnt find anything.
Im sorry but this is beyond broken in the right deck. Turn 1 goblin guide, 2 damage, turn 2 double goblin guide, 8 total damage, turn 3 uber enchantment 20 total damage, extend hand GG sir.
EDIT!!!
Reading is key, no untap FTL not broken. But I digress...
Just curious but wouldnt a 4 of spell pierce be pretty nice in the side for against the mirror match?? Say you win the die roll go first and crush them game 1, game 2 you bring in spell pierce so you have an answer for their turn 2 ascension, you pierce it, they are tapped out, and you land your own t2 ascension, GG? I know spell pierce is garbage lategame but early I think its pretty relevant in the mirror. Just a thought.
Ah hahaha. I don't know if the name of the guy you played in your finals was a joke or troll or not... if you know who that is.
If you're serious and that really happened, I know the guy in question, and he was having a really bad streak the last time I talked to him. I've played against him, and him ragequitting or flaming someone would honestly surprise me a lot. I'd write it off to a rough week.
I am glad your return to MODO was successful, and I am sorry if a friend of mine went off on you. He is a good guy, I will vouch for him. Grats on cracking the jace.
Nobody ever talks to me when I play pauper. Not even hi. The only time anyone ever says more than "hi" is in the DPA games.
No im 100% serious about who I played, and 100% serious and truthful about everything that was said. Granted im somewhat of a defensive person so when he started coming at me with rude comments and "ok pro tour player" and "IRL my deck would beat your s 95% of the time" "noob this noob that blahblah etc.etc." I was not without my own comments back, most were along the lines of "if im such a noob then why did I just 2-0 you" and "maybe its just because you suck at magic" His only responses to those comments were "congrats you lucksacked to a swiss draft win, enjoy your 3 QP, only 12 more to go, pro tour player" I couldnt help but think to myself that this guy must be either delusional or a hypocrite because he himself was "attempting" (and I use this term loosely) to win a swiss draft himself.
Anyways wether or not hes a good guy and you vouch for him, my experience with him was all in all, albeit amusing, not a very good one. Tell him King_Kefka says "Hi" and hopes to lucksack errrr draft with him again.
What would you consider besides the domestication? I kinda like it because from time to time it can help me get thasa online. I like the 3/3 thoughtseize dimir charm split, I will try that.
2 Prognostic Sphinx
2 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
4 Jace, Architect of Thought
7 Island
5 Swamp
2 Dimir Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Temple of Deceit
4 Watery Grave
3 Ratchet Bomb
2 Domestication
2 Devour Flesh
3 Dissolve
3 Hero's Downfall
3 Syncopate
4 Dimir Charm
2 Thoughtseize
4 Tidebinder Mage
2 Essence Scatter
2 Gainsay
2 Negate
3 Duress
Our goal was to make a deck that was good in the current meta and is highly synergistic with itself. There are many great synergies and psuedo combos and soft locks in the deck. Also the deck features great devotion possibilities and late game mana generation so 4 nykthos are included.
Im currently on my phone so i will post an exact decklist later but for now i will list some of the key cards.
Creature control: chained to the rocks, magma jet, mizzium mortars, anger the gods
Enchantment control suite: blind obedience, sphere of saftey, spear of heliod
Win conditions: hammer of purphoros, purphoros, heliod, chandra, elspeth, tajic, boros reckoner, aurelina's fury, and the white 4/4 flying first strike bestow guy(name escapes me)
So as you can see it has multiple lines of play and ways to win. Extort with obedience, kill with gods, purphoros triggers, token overload, huge aurelina's fury, bestow tajic and slam into their face over and over.
Blind obedience + sphere of saftey and other enchantments make it very difficult for agressive strategies while not being totally dead vs control eot token overload and extorting them with every card played.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Although desecration demon is a good card I just dont think that it fits well with this deck. My other midrange threats are better 4-6 cost range. Not to mention that polukranos when you monstrous him you can actually double the damage he deals with strionic resonator. On the other hand desecration demon trigger can be doubled with the resonator as well so that could be nice I suppose and he does have evasion. Hmm I will have to think about that one for a bit.
I think if I decided to add another armada wurm the only card I would replace would be reaper of the wilds or polukranos. What are your thoughts?
Tell you a bit about the deck first. This is a Junk Midrange Control deck at its heart. It likes to disrupt your early game and kill your threats, then likes to stabalize midgame with difficult to deal with threats. The difference here is about the same time I can start reanimating game ending creatures from my graveyard and abusing very lethal ETB effects with a very under looked card Strionic Resonator. Resonator basically says, Oh armada wurm is a nice card for 6 mana, how bout for 8? Or for 10? How about Ashen Rider?
So now that you have a better understanding I will let you see it and then please feel free to leave any sort of constructive criticism that would be much appreciated!
Creatures
3 Sylvan Caryatid
1 Reaper of the Wilds
1 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Obzedat, Ghost Council
2 Blood Baron of Vizkopa
1 Ashen Rider
2 Angel of Serenity
1 Armada Wurm
2 Whip of Erebos
1 Deadbridge Chant
4 Obzedat's Aid
4 Grisly Salvage
3 Thoughtseize
4 Hero's Downfall
3 Abrupt Decay
4 gb shock
4 gw shock
4 wb shock
4 wb scry
3 swamp
3 plains
1 forest
EDIT!!!
Reading is key, no untap FTL not broken. But I digress...
No im 100% serious about who I played, and 100% serious and truthful about everything that was said. Granted im somewhat of a defensive person so when he started coming at me with rude comments and "ok pro tour player" and "IRL my deck would beat your s 95% of the time" "noob this noob that blahblah etc.etc." I was not without my own comments back, most were along the lines of "if im such a noob then why did I just 2-0 you" and "maybe its just because you suck at magic" His only responses to those comments were "congrats you lucksacked to a swiss draft win, enjoy your 3 QP, only 12 more to go, pro tour player" I couldnt help but think to myself that this guy must be either delusional or a hypocrite because he himself was "attempting" (and I use this term loosely) to win a swiss draft himself.
Anyways wether or not hes a good guy and you vouch for him, my experience with him was all in all, albeit amusing, not a very good one. Tell him King_Kefka says "Hi" and hopes to lucksack errrr draft with him again.