Hey, awesome primer man. My Rafiq deck has gotten boring, then I read this and decided to shift it into a Jenara deck to change things up a little bit! I have most of the cards already, so I can come pretty close to your build. I'm pretty much missing only newer stuff. After testing, I'll make some modifications and I should have some more feedback.
I noticed you have Scroll Rack already, have you thought about Land Tax? To me the card advantage seems way too good.
Yeah, you definitely need more card draw. As suggested earlier, moonlight is a good card. Sylvan Library and Harmonize are good options too. If you can fit it in the mana base, try Promise of Power. Wave or Reckoning is a great sweeper for tree decks. Entomb for another way to get that Genesis in the graveyard. Stonehewer Giant since you have a ton of eq.
I'm not wrong. The P3K cards became valueable due to rarity, as you yourself note. The Ftv:Exiled cards are/will be vauealbe because of rarity, not because they're playable, they're not standard legal, and Type I can get pretty much all of those cards less than what MSRP cost.
It's also worth noting, there's a number of fairly useless P3K cards with decent price tags on them.
The game part does not always drive prices. Look at the prices for Judge Rewards cards, Look at P3K, Look at The Dark, heck look at the prices of commons in A/B/U even if they exist in other sets, there's alot of examples of how the collectible market will drive prices.
Rarity does drive price up, however playability does too. That 1 of World Champs card fetched an insane price afaik. But I'm sure that's for its status as a collectors item. It's obvious that the card is not tourney legal.
Yes there are a ton of MTG collectors who bought into P3K, but in the case of Imperial Seal it isn't just collectors. I'm sure a ton of collectors bought into it before it became legal simply to have it as it is a low print run powerful card.
As it is now legal, it also brought in players. Chart here. Simple supply and demand curve. D1 represents the level of demand before P3K became legal, D2 represents level of demand after legality. Demand shifts to the right due to other players wanting the card, and equilibrium price (the point of intersection of the supply and demand curve) raises. Unless the supply curve shifts to the right, price will not go down.
Imperial seal will probably raise in price gradually since new players keep coming into the game and might eventually desire a card already in short short supply.
So yeah, after busting the product open (check my sig). I played around with the decks. It definitely seems like the Garruk deck has the upper hand. It seemed like the card advantage that you gain when Harmonize is dropped is too much for the Liliana deck to handle. I like the new border Rancor
So yeah, this is my first EDH deck. I think there are some things sub-optimal like my lacking of revised duals and a few others, but after a few weeks of reading / playing I have a decent list:
Should I add Liliana Vess? What would I take out. She seems like a good option.
I am planning on adding a Chameleon Colossus. Irony is my mtgs user name and I don't have one!!! I might have to take out that Dancing Scimitar for it... darn.
Thoughts on Lord of Extinction? He's stupid in multiplayer. Doesn't share synergies with Doran, but I'm not sure he needs too...
Add more treefolk for Harsh Mercy? Or at this point just run it anyways? That and Wave of Reckoning will also be going in there to replace the *** / DoJ. Or Should I keep one for a 4th sweeper? Pernicious Deed?
Bennie of starcity wrote an article that listed Wargate as an interesting mana accel / tutor card. Might find a place in this deck to fetch a land or to drop a threat.
In my experience with bant, Baneslayer Angel is actually an underperformer. She taps out to attack, and also she is a huge removal target. Imo, finest hour and exalted tends to work better.
Edit, I also agree that Quest for the Gravelord is a good card. Clear the board then then drop a 5/5 fattie? Yes please. Additionally Fleshbag Maurauder has great synergy with Bloodghast. Crap, the more I type the more difficult the mana base will be.
I have one of these decks I ran pre-rotation. I like Ethersworn Canonist main deck, as well as Rafiq of the Many. Rafiq is arguable however, as he doesn't have synergy when you have multiple beaters on the board. However, he will make those single turn 3 Rhox War Monks beast though. I like canonist because in the event you don't draw into Stoic Angel, it make sure you don't get out tempo'd before you drop Stoic. Those 2 combined make a nasty soft lock. I've tested Time Warp. It just seems like a win even more card, especially if you have Finest Hour out. As far as landfall, you could side Pithing Needle and name fethces or Knight of the Reliquary.
I'm glad someone made this thread, as I think bant aggro is done with the rotation of Shorecrasher Mimic
I noticed you have Scroll Rack already, have you thought about Land Tax? To me the card advantage seems way too good.
Rarity does drive price up, however playability does too. That 1 of World Champs card fetched an insane price afaik. But I'm sure that's for its status as a collectors item. It's obvious that the card is not tourney legal.
Yes there are a ton of MTG collectors who bought into P3K, but in the case of Imperial Seal it isn't just collectors. I'm sure a ton of collectors bought into it before it became legal simply to have it as it is a low print run powerful card.
As it is now legal, it also brought in players. Chart here. Simple supply and demand curve. D1 represents the level of demand before P3K became legal, D2 represents level of demand after legality. Demand shifts to the right due to other players wanting the card, and equilibrium price (the point of intersection of the supply and demand curve) raises. Unless the supply curve shifts to the right, price will not go down.
Imperial seal will probably raise in price gradually since new players keep coming into the game and might eventually desire a card already in short short supply.
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001 Doran, the Siege Tower
Treefolk:
002 Magnigoth Treegfolk
003 Unstoppable Ash
004 Deadwood Treefolk
005 Timber Protector
006 Indomitable Ancients
007 Verdeloth the Ancient
008 Treefolk Harbinger
009 Sapling of Colfenor
010 Leaf-Crowned Elder
Other Creatures:
011 Ohran Viper
012 Oathsworn Giant
013 Loxodan Hierarch
014 Eternal Witness
015 Enlisted Worm
016 Dauntless Escort
017 Forgotten Ancient
018 Dancing Scimitar (This one is a running joke lol)
019 Grizzled Leotau
020 Stonehewer Giant
021 Silklash Spider
022 Birds of Paradise
Graveyard Gimmicks:
023 Glory
024 Brawn
025 Genesis
026 Buried Alive
Planeswalker:
027 Garruk Wildspeaker
Toolbox O' Stuff:
028 Luminarch Ascension
029 Phyrexian Arena
030 Hunting Grounds
031 Mirari's Wake
032 Regrowth
033 Profane Command
034 Primal Command
035 Shield Wall
036 Solidarity
Tutors:
037 Demonic Tutor
038 Vampiric Tutor
039 Worldly Tutor
040 Congregation at Dawn
041 Eladamri's Call
Removal: (I think I have too much?)
042 Swords to Plowshares
042 Condemn
043 Path to Exile
044 Naturalize
045 Disenchant
046 Mortify
047 Putrefy
048 Maelstrom Pulse
Sweepers:
049 Day of Judgment
050 Wrath of God
051 Crime//Punishment
Equipment: (again too much?)
052 Umezawa's Jitte
053 Quietus Spike
054 Sword of Light and Shadow
055 Slagwurm Armor
Other Artifacts:
056 Akroma's Memorial
057 Sensei's Divining Top
058 Isochron Scepter
Ramp Artifacts:
059 Darksteel Ingot
060 Coalition Relic
061 Sol Ring
062 Selesnya Signet
063 Orzhov Signet
064 Golgari Signet
Lands: (again, not yet ideal)
065 Overgrown Tomb
066 Godless Shrine
067 Temple Garden
068 Twilight Mire
069 Fetid Heath
070 Wooded Bastion
071 Marsh Flats
072 Verdant Catacombs
073 Caves of Koilos
074 Brushland
075 Murmuring Bosk
076 City of Brass
077 Vivid Grove
078 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
079 Eiganjo Castle
080 Flagstones of Trokair
081 Strip Mine
082 Gargoyle Castle
083 Mutavault
084 Mishra's Factory
085 Forest
086 Forest
087 Forest
088 Forest
089 Forest
090 Forest
091 Plains
092 Plains
093 Plains
094 Plains
095 Plains
096 Swamp
097 Swamp
098 Swamp
099 Swamp
100 Swamp
Thoughts:
I know I have to add Vindicate to get rid of walkers.
Isochron Scpeter doesn't seem to fit, but I'm still waiting to get my Lightning Greaves. I wouldn't mind added a Sword of Fire and Ice.
Should I add Liliana Vess? What would I take out. She seems like a good option.
I am planning on adding a Chameleon Colossus. Irony is my mtgs user name and I don't have one!!! I might have to take out that Dancing Scimitar for it... darn.
Thoughts on Lord of Extinction? He's stupid in multiplayer. Doesn't share synergies with Doran, but I'm not sure he needs too...
Add more treefolk for Harsh Mercy? Or at this point just run it anyways? That and Wave of Reckoning will also be going in there to replace the *** / DoJ. Or Should I keep one for a 4th sweeper? Pernicious Deed?
I gotta get a Maze of Ith, Wasteland, and a Ghost Quarter. Volrath's Stronghold?
Yeah, thats all my EDH musings for now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guV-cn9Ozk8
Edit, I also agree that Quest for the Gravelord is a good card. Clear the board then then drop a 5/5 fattie? Yes please. Additionally Fleshbag Maurauder has great synergy with Bloodghast. Crap, the more I type the more difficult the mana base will be.
I'm glad someone made this thread, as I think bant aggro is done with the rotation of Shorecrasher Mimic
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=187605