Rite of Replication is an interesting thought...however you need to have creatures out that will copy well (like acidic slime, which would rock). The shroud creatures are tough b/c they cant be rited...and if your opponnent doesnt have good targets it might not make sense. I guess a Garruk overrunn on a bunch of 1/1 or 2/2s would be ok as well =)
What about Inkwell Leviathan? You get the island walking with spreading seas....and they would have to have the mana for a board wipe.
I like this deck, I think it would be fun to build!
Maybe throw gamazoa in the sideboard for vampires? They would never attack with nocturnus then (becuase they would be 2/1 less) and could lessen the attackers comming in.
Ah, the return of goldfishing, because everything in magic happens just like we planned.
Come on everyone, this debate about the Coatl and Jace and brainstorm and what not is pretty pointless while we are in the dark about the rest of the WWK spoiler. Even if the trend is to speculate, everyone can do better and speculate about bigger things.
yea, can't we live in magical fun happy christmas land for a little bit though?
You can't bolt Jace before they get to brainstorm, meaning you're wasting a bolt and they're getting a 6/6 beater.
You definetly get the beater. I didn't mean you don't get the ability. What I'm saying is that brainstorm as Jace's first ability leaves him open to that.
Brion Stoutarm is loads of fun. You can steal your opponents creatues and throw them back at them. Theres also a card, I forget the name, that you can steal a permanent for a turn (think oblivion stone).
With Brion you get access to:
Whites removal, life gain, nice angels
Reds pumpable creatues to throw, redirect spells
Use sunforger to tutor for creature steals...its nasty.
It depends on your definition of fun as well. Funny cards to me are phelddagrif and a like.
I really liked how it performed. It lost to Nissa Aggro (just didn't have a good answer for eldrazi comming online) and Vampire aggro (couldn't draw land, it was wierd....both games).
I've since changed it to the first list to something that has less creatures and more non creature spells =) I haven't tried out this version yet but I think itll be fun...heres my justification for each card:
Removal:
4 Path to Exile - Removal, this would most likely be side-boarded out for Celestial Purge or something similar. I'm not a huge fan of this card since my land changing strategy becomes a little flawed when they can search for what they want.
3 Day of Judgement - Mass removal
Annoyance:
4 Spreading Seas - Change their lands to islands and lets me draw a card. This has proved very useful against multi colored decks with wide mana base.
4 Convincing Mirage - Same thing as above.
4 Into the Roil - Mini Cryptic Command...heres where I would use this: bounce an annoying creature, bounce to remove counters, bounce eldrazi to wrath
4 Negate - Protect Baneslayer and myself from discard
1 Rite of Replication - Finisher or copy something when in a bind
I really like these two colors. I'm hesitant to try Green or Black in here just b/c I'll have to remove something from blue I really like.
I think some ppl are debating the usefulness of the 8 land changing cards...I like them. If I take them out or reduce to 4 I could go another color...but I feel this slow down really helps me extend the game to more turns and eventually my Finishers. I've had my opponent draw then immediately discard 2-3 turns in a row b/c they dont have mana for the cards they want to play.
Maybe some Planeswalkers belong in here? I'm thinking maybe 2 Elspeth....I'm not 100% sure tho. Jace is OK, I just dont want to have my opponent draw cards ever.
This is going to sound stupid but I'll give it a go.
Can you cast Into the Roil on a creature in your graveyard to return it to your hand?
I'm guessing not, b/c it doesn't say return target card from your graveyard to your hand and maybe theres an implied 'on the battlefield/pw zone'. Just a thought...I'm sure it would be more expensive than 1B for it to do that...and even splash black =)
I love this deck. Its amazingly fun. I've pulled a few shenanigans here and there that make me a big target :). Last week I used Word of Siezing to take this dude's Oblivion Stone and put a counter on my general. At any rate, its definitely fun!
Heres my list. Its really similar to the original post and has some differences (I think I added Preacher which is totally badass when paired with Adarkar Valkyrie.
One thing I've noticed is that I'm being watched in group games for taking ppl's creatures. My 'stealing creatures' spells are being countered and 'swerved' a lot. Anyone have any suggestions to make those a little more reliable? I added Boseiju, Who Shelters All but haven't had it out yet.
Are there too many big creatures? I'm worried sometimes that I will hit too many big creatures in my opening hand and I'll be screwed.
I like the idea of having Pumpable creatures on my end....attack with them, pump then and throw for some extra damage...just a thought...would that be any good?
I like the idea but would probably adapt it to be something like B/G overrun with a ton of quick creatures. Maybe go W/G with Ajani for the +1+1 counters...maybe R/G....
I would splash in landfall....green has some pretty decent landfall cards.
Personally, I prefer the Vampire. Lifelink, flying and deathtouch are just so delicious for 3 mana. I really like the deathtouch addition since I have a phobia of wall of denial.
I like him too...I'm trying to decide though...will he come out on turn 3? Or is it more acceptable for him to come out a little later than that?
Hello, heres my version of Jund. The idea behind this deck is to rush and burn as quickly as possible. Using Maelstrom Pulse, Lightning Bolt, and possibly Jund Charm to keep the board clear for me to run the opponent over.
Well, here is my current build...it needs some work though. I thikn I need terminate in there somewhere....
Vampire Lacerator.... Hopefully turn 1 on the offense. Maybe Goblin Guide fits better here? Just looking for a 1 drop 2/2. Putrid Leech.... Quick Pumpable creature Plated Geopede.... Played against this at the pre-release...it was sooo powerful. Amazing card. Paired with Explorer's Scope it was extra deadly...Maybe Explorer's Scope fits in the deck? Bloodbraid Elf.... Cascading into anything would be nice....maybe not sign in blood if I cant afford the 2 life hit... Ob Nixilis, the Fallen.... Finisher if it drags out...if against WW itll help me maybe? Broodmate Dragon.... Same reasoning as Ob Nixilis
Sign in Blood.... Some card advantage Maelstrom Pulse.... Was thinking for Token removal or Baneslayer.... Lightning Bolt.... Burn a creature or opponent Blightning.... Opponent card disadvantage and damage Jund Charm.... Remove graveyard from the game (Bloodghast, Knight of the Reliquary, Haunting Echoes)...2 dmg sweeper (just in case...might be good with Plated Geopede if landfall triggers)...2 +1/+1 counters could pump up leech or geopede Banefire.... Against control decks I guess....if I just need that little bit of burn to finish the game...
I think I need terminate in here. I'm pretty satisfied with it so far...haven't proxied it out or tested it. Theres a lot of cheap stuff....I'm worried I'm going to play it all too quickly and if I don't get the kill...I'll be playing off the draw. What do you think?
What about Inkwell Leviathan? You get the island walking with spreading seas....and they would have to have the mana for a board wipe.
I like this deck, I think it would be fun to build!
-Matt
Maybe throw gamazoa in the sideboard for vampires? They would never attack with nocturnus then (becuase they would be 2/1 less) and could lessen the attackers comming in.
yea, can't we live in magical fun happy christmas land for a little bit though?
You definetly get the beater. I didn't mean you don't get the ability. What I'm saying is that brainstorm as Jace's first ability leaves him open to that.
I'm excited to start seeing U/G stuff.
Turn 3, bolt your Jace, chump block your Coatl =)
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Nulltread Gargantuan
4 Lorescale Coatl
4 Bloodbraid Elf
2 Spinx of Lost Truths
2 Spinx of Jwar Isle
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Burst Lightning
4 Vines of Vastwood
It needs work...but I think it has some potential. Add Jace in here for some extra draw and manipulation.
With Brion you get access to:
Whites removal, life gain, nice angels
Reds pumpable creatues to throw, redirect spells
Use sunforger to tutor for creature steals...its nasty.
It depends on your definition of fun as well. Funny cards to me are phelddagrif and a like.
4 Wall of Denial
4 Baneslayer Angel
3 Sphinx of Jwar Isle
Removal:
4 Path to Exile
3 Day of Judgement
4 Spreading Seas
4 Convincing Mirage
4 Into the Roil
4 Negate
1 Rite of Replication
2 Courier's Capsule
Land:
4 Sejiri Refuge
4 Glacial Fortress
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Marsh Flats
8 Island
5 Plains
I played a version of this last FNM and went 3-2 (Won against Jund, White Weenie, and Red/White PW control)...heres what it was:
4 Wall of Denial
1 Sphinx of Lost Truths
3 Sphinx of Jwar Isle
4 Kraken Hatchling
2 Clone
4 Path to Exile
1 Planar Cleasing
Annoyance:
4 Spreading Seas
4 Convincing Mirage
2 Negate
2 Essence Scatter
2 Rite of Replication
4 Courier's Capsule
Land:
4 Sejiri Refuge
11 Island
8 Plains
I really liked how it performed. It lost to Nissa Aggro (just didn't have a good answer for eldrazi comming online) and Vampire aggro (couldn't draw land, it was wierd....both games).
I've since changed it to the first list to something that has less creatures and more non creature spells =) I haven't tried out this version yet but I think itll be fun...heres my justification for each card:
Creatures:
4 Wall of Denial - double evasion wall
4 Baneslayer Angel - Finisher
3 Sphinx of Jwar Isle - Finisher
Removal:
4 Path to Exile - Removal, this would most likely be side-boarded out for Celestial Purge or something similar. I'm not a huge fan of this card since my land changing strategy becomes a little flawed when they can search for what they want.
3 Day of Judgement - Mass removal
Annoyance:
4 Spreading Seas - Change their lands to islands and lets me draw a card. This has proved very useful against multi colored decks with wide mana base.
4 Convincing Mirage - Same thing as above.
4 Into the Roil - Mini Cryptic Command...heres where I would use this: bounce an annoying creature, bounce to remove counters, bounce eldrazi to wrath
4 Negate - Protect Baneslayer and myself from discard
1 Rite of Replication - Finisher or copy something when in a bind
Extra Draw:
2 Courier's Capsule - some draw
Land:
4 Sejiri Refuge
4 Glacial Fortress
1 Misty Rainforest - if I dont like what I see from sphinx, it shuffles
1 Marsh Flats - if I dont like what I see from sphinx, it shuffles
8 Island
5 Plains
Sideboard:
I have cards like:
4Divine Offering - if I play an Eldrazi Matchup
3Kraken Hatchling - if I play Boros or some form of fast aggro
4Celestial Purge - for Red/Black matchups
2Pithing Needle - for lots of stuff
1Spinx of Jwar Isle - if I plan vamps, I'll probly put him in for Malakir Bloodwitch protection.
1 Day of Judgement - for playing past creature matchups
I really like these two colors. I'm hesitant to try Green or Black in here just b/c I'll have to remove something from blue I really like.
I think some ppl are debating the usefulness of the 8 land changing cards...I like them. If I take them out or reduce to 4 I could go another color...but I feel this slow down really helps me extend the game to more turns and eventually my Finishers. I've had my opponent draw then immediately discard 2-3 turns in a row b/c they dont have mana for the cards they want to play.
Maybe some Planeswalkers belong in here? I'm thinking maybe 2 Elspeth....I'm not 100% sure tho. Jace is OK, I just dont want to have my opponent draw cards ever.
Let me know what you guys think!
Can you cast Into the Roil on a creature in your graveyard to return it to your hand?
I'm guessing not, b/c it doesn't say return target card from your graveyard to your hand and maybe theres an implied 'on the battlefield/pw zone'. Just a thought...I'm sure it would be more expensive than 1B for it to do that...and even splash black =)
Just some clarification would be nice. Thank you.
Heres my list. Its really similar to the original post and has some differences (I think I added Preacher which is totally badass when paired with Adarkar Valkyrie.
1 Brion Stoutarm
Creatures
1 Figure of Destiny
1 Preacher
1 Kiki-jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Twilight Shepherd
1 Valor
1 Reveillark
1 Hellkite Charger
1 Balefire Liege
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Akroma, Angel of Fury
1 Magma Pheonix
1 Anger
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Karmic Guide
1 Razia, Boros Archangel
1 Battlegrace Angel
1 Adarkar Valkyrie
1 Archon of Justice
1 Bogardan Hellkite
1 Eternal Dragon
1 Glory
1 Stonehewer Giant
1 Baneslayer Angel
Creature Steals
1 Threaten
1 Mark of Mutiny
1 Act of Treason
1 Unwilling Recruit
1 Word of Seizing
1 Insurrection
1 Grab the Reins
1 Reiterate
1 Fork
1 Wild Ricochet
Removal
1 Akroma's Vengeance
1 Wrath of God
1 Hallowed Burial
1 Austere Command
1 Day of Judgment
1 Martial Coup
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Return to Dust
1 Orim's Thunder
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Banefire
1 Path to Exile
Equipment
1 Sunforger
1 Skullclamp
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Lightning Greaves
Artifacts
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Boros Signet
1 Sol Ring
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Journeyer's Kite
1 Lotus Bloom
1 Coalition Relic
Planeswalkers
1 Ajani Vengeant
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Ajani Goldmane
1 Waves of Aggression
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Land Tax
1 Enlightened Tutor
Land
1 Arid Mesa
1 Badlands
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Vivid Meadow
1 Vivid Crag
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Boros Garrison
1 Vesuva
1 Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
1 Rugged Prairie
1 Ancient Amphitheater
1 Temple of the False God
1 Secluded Steppe
1 Drifting Meadow
1 Forgotten Cave
1 Smoldering Crater
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Spinerock Knoll
9 Plains
8 Mountain
Just some notes....I'm thinking about subbing out Ancient Amphitheater for something different...some land b/c I sit at 35 land.
I have a Thornbite Staff and a Loxodon Warhammer that I want to put in here...but I'm not sure where.
I have some questions though:
Thanks again OP...this deck is soo much fun!!!
I would splash in landfall....green has some pretty decent landfall cards.
I like him too...I'm trying to decide though...will he come out on turn 3? Or is it more acceptable for him to come out a little later than that?
4 Vampire Lacerator
4 Putrid Leech
4 Plated Geopede
4 Bloodbraid Elf
2 Broodmate Dragon
2 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
2 Sign in Blood
4 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Blightning
2 Jund Charm
1 Banefire
4 Mountain
4 Forest
4 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Rootbound Craig
4 Dragonskull Summit
Well, here is my current build...it needs some work though. I thikn I need terminate in there somewhere....
Vampire Lacerator.... Hopefully turn 1 on the offense. Maybe Goblin Guide fits better here? Just looking for a 1 drop 2/2.
Putrid Leech.... Quick Pumpable creature
Plated Geopede.... Played against this at the pre-release...it was sooo powerful. Amazing card. Paired with Explorer's Scope it was extra deadly...Maybe Explorer's Scope fits in the deck?
Bloodbraid Elf.... Cascading into anything would be nice....maybe not sign in blood if I cant afford the 2 life hit...
Ob Nixilis, the Fallen.... Finisher if it drags out...if against WW itll help me maybe?
Broodmate Dragon.... Same reasoning as Ob Nixilis
Sign in Blood.... Some card advantage
Maelstrom Pulse.... Was thinking for Token removal or Baneslayer....
Lightning Bolt.... Burn a creature or opponent
Blightning.... Opponent card disadvantage and damage
Jund Charm.... Remove graveyard from the game (Bloodghast, Knight of the Reliquary, Haunting Echoes)...2 dmg sweeper (just in case...might be good with Plated Geopede if landfall triggers)...2 +1/+1 counters could pump up leech or geopede
Banefire.... Against control decks I guess....if I just need that little bit of burn to finish the game...
Cards I'm thinking might be good.
Harrow.... Trigger Landfall for the geopede...help with diverse mana
Khalni Heart Expedition.... Trigger Landfall again...
Goblin Guide.... Maybe better than Vampire Lacerator?
Vampire Nighthawk.... Maybe instead of Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
4 Arid Mesa.... Might substitute out 2 of each of the M10 Lands...incase I get only those lands in my first hand.
I think I need terminate in here. I'm pretty satisfied with it so far...haven't proxied it out or tested it. Theres a lot of cheap stuff....I'm worried I'm going to play it all too quickly and if I don't get the kill...I'll be playing off the draw. What do you think?