You don't like Rekindling Pheonix over the other 4 drops? Also do you really want 4 Rhythym of the wilds? Seems like you wouldn't want more then one per game usually. Taking 2 turns off of playing creatures isn't something we want to do. Seems like 3 mb would be better.
To be honest I havent played the deck enough to know how many I would want. I figure if I wanted it at all I want 4 to try and ensure I can play it T2/3.
I dont have rekindling Phoenix in paper so its easy not to include. I am really drawn to casting Ghalta with Rhythm in play. I am also attracted to playing Kraul Harpooner with rhythm in play as well, like post sweeper, like harpooner into Ghalta and swing for 20, that sounds so sexy.
If I were to play that style enough to decide that it totally sucks then I might try the Monsters build with PHX and dragon.
Spells - 10 3 Thrash // Threat - removal, answer to planeswalkers, creature 4 Rhythm of the Wild - reason to play red over other colors, hoses counter spells. 3 Vivien Reid - maybe 4 ferox instead of Sunder Shaman then +3 Beast Whisperer?
Sideboard 4 Nullhide Ferox - punish grixis/discard decks, take out spells from main, Vivien/thrash? 4 Deathgorge Scavenger - prevent sultai from recasting cards and PHXs from coming back. Bring in against Mono Red? 3 Fiery Cannonade - tokens, decks that go wide, white weenie 3 Find // Finality - get cards back that have been killed, could we splash black to use finality? 1 ?
So Pelt Collector or thorn Lieutenant? Im taking out Sunder Shaman for sure, but in its place, Steel leaf Champion or Nullhide Ferox? If Ferox do I take out Vivien for like Beast Whisperer?
I feel favored against certain midrange strategies like monoblue aggro and drakes. I feel even against Sultai.
Against gates, you just need to get out front.
I need help against Wu aggro. I usually just board in Lava Coil and Ghalta, Primal Hunger -- basically removal and good ways to close the game quickly.
Maybe I want a super efficient card to take down their threats like Mutiny? Shock won't kill their lords. Maybe I need Fiery Cannonade but I play so many x/2s. Alternatively, I can play something like Atzocan Archer. I don't know. I don't really like a card like that either. Mono-White is a bad MU because they will often play to the board faster and go wider. Maybe something as silly as Shake the Foundations.
if you play aGhalta and can land ghalta before they're first blaze, that should be good game.
not sure about carnyT because of no domri and the fact that you already have ghalta.
Looking at the SCG meta, didnt see to many 'wide' strategies: tokens, white weenie, so what is cannonade in there for?
your SB has 11 cards, what about the other 4?
I was looking at Carnage tyrant as a uncounterable hexproof threat.
If Champ was a warrior, it would be great with Territory. As is, I think you have to choose one or the other (e.g. Spellbreaker). The mana tension is real.
Hellkite has yet to prove it's worth 4 slots, but it's promising on paper. The few reps I had with it were convincing. It's often the final nail in the coffin because it has flying. I think it has better chances in a meta full of grounders than Regisaur.
I'm really surprised to see Collector disappear, it seems important to have 8 one-drops, right ?
At least in my build if I wanted to run SLC one could still call elf with territory and still play: Llanowar, thorn lieutenant and the Elf crab. I never was really sold on pelt collector, I started using Druid of the Cowl as a better block on T2&3 against aggro and to get Nullhide ferox and Vivien reid out faster.
I've been jamming this. Deck is aggressive and great.
what platform are you running this in? Arena. MTGO, XMage?
Yea, Phoenixes and Tyrant are all still good! You like shivan Fire better than Lava Coil?
No Rhythm of the Wilds?
This deck 100% wants Growth-Chamber Guardian. Its REALLY good with Rhythm from what ive seen on stream the last 2 days. Its basically a 2 mana 3/3 Squadron Hawk
I noticed the elfCrab was a WARRIOR and auto included it. thanks!
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1665244#paper
3 Ghalta, Primal Hunger
4 Growth-Chamber Guardian
4 Kraul Harpooner
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nullhide Ferox
4 Pelt Collector
4 Steel Leaf Champion
4 Thrashing Brontodon
4 Adventurous Impulse
22 Forest
2 Carnage Tyrant
3 Crushing Canopy
4 Prey Upon
2 Sagittars' Volley
4 Shapers' Sanctuary
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1666952#paper
3 Ghalta, Primal Hunger
4 Kraul Harpooner
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nullhide Ferox
4 Pelt Collector
4 Steel Leaf Champion
4 Thorn Lieutenant
4 Thrashing Brontodon
4 Adventurous Impulse
22 Forest
3 Crushing Canopy
3 Deathgorge Scavenger
2 End-Raze Forerunners
4 Prey Upon
3 Vivien Reid
Biogenic Ooze!!! that card can win games by itself! got to try it
To be honest I havent played the deck enough to know how many I would want. I figure if I wanted it at all I want 4 to try and ensure I can play it T2/3.
I dont have rekindling Phoenix in paper so its easy not to include. I am really drawn to casting Ghalta with Rhythm in play. I am also attracted to playing Kraul Harpooner with rhythm in play as well, like post sweeper, like harpooner into Ghalta and swing for 20, that sounds so sexy.
If I were to play that style enough to decide that it totally sucks then I might try the Monsters build with PHX and dragon.
4 Llanowar elves
4 Kraul Harpooner
4 Thorn Lieutenant - easier to cast than Zhur-Taa Goblin with Green base, or Pelt Collector?
4 Growth-Chamber Guardian
4 Gruul Spellbreaker
4 Steel Leaf Champion
3 Ghalta, Primal Hunger - imagine the Haste!
3 Thrash // Threat - removal, answer to planeswalkers, creature
4 Rhythm of the Wild - reason to play red over other colors, hoses counter spells.
3 Vivien Reid - maybe 4 ferox instead of Sunder Shaman then +3 Beast Whisperer?
Lands - 23
12 Forest
3 Mountain
4 Stomping Ground
4 Rootbound Crag
4 Nullhide Ferox - punish grixis/discard decks, take out spells from main, Vivien/thrash?
4 Deathgorge Scavenger - prevent sultai from recasting cards and PHXs from coming back. Bring in against Mono Red?
3 Fiery Cannonade - tokens, decks that go wide, white weenie
3 Find // Finality - get cards back that have been killed, could we splash black to use finality?
1 ?
So Pelt Collector or thorn Lieutenant? Im taking out Sunder Shaman for sure, but in its place, Steel leaf Champion or Nullhide Ferox? If Ferox do I take out Vivien for like Beast Whisperer?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/much-abrew-gruul-aggro-standard-magic-arena
4 Growth-Chamber Guardian
4 Gruul Spellbreaker
4 Kraul Harpooner
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nullhide Ferox
4 Pelt Collector
4 Steel Leaf Champion
3 Thrash // Threat
4 Rhythm of the Wild
12 Forest
3 Mountain
4 Rootbound Crag
4 Stomping Ground
3 Banefire
4 Cindervines
1 Declare Dominance
4 Lava Coil
1 Prey Upon
1 Rabid Bite
if you play aGhalta and can land ghalta before they're first blaze, that should be good game.
so dont play any spells, sit there with your mana up and OP can continue playing spells and overwhelm you.
ok, got it, thanks! Also, any creature that gets a counter and is bigger with it than a pelt collector then the pelt collector grows, correct?
Here is a list using Goreclaw and Folly maindeck with no black cards, just for recursion.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1633421#paper
Looking at the SCG meta, didnt see to many 'wide' strategies: tokens, white weenie, so what is cannonade in there for?
your SB has 11 cards, what about the other 4?
I was looking at Carnage tyrant as a uncounterable hexproof threat.
Options:
Deathgorge scavenger - Golgari type decks so no recursion, red aggro to gain life? would be good against PHX decks.
Lifegain package - 4 wildgrowth walkers & 4 Jadelight Ranger? (probably too many slots, suggestions?)
Cindervines or Thrashing Brontodon - kill Wilderness reclamation, opposing Rhythm, Hadana's climb, etc.? if so, which is better?
Carnage tyrant - still needed?
Just saw this, Naya Aggro, splashing white for lifegain
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1615094#paper
what are the weak points?
At least in my build if I wanted to run SLC one could still call elf with territory and still play: Llanowar, thorn lieutenant and the Elf crab. I never was really sold on pelt collector, I started using Druid of the Cowl as a better block on T2&3 against aggro and to get Nullhide ferox and Vivien reid out faster.
what platform are you running this in? Arena. MTGO, XMage?
Yea, Phoenixes and Tyrant are all still good! You like shivan Fire better than Lava Coil?
No Rhythm of the Wilds?
What would you take out?
But you are right, Alphasaur is probably more of a midrange Dino deck. Im sure we'll see those decks too
I noticed the elfCrab was a WARRIOR and auto included it. thanks!