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Quote from JaishivaJai »To fix your mana base add Fabled Passage. I run 3 plus one rugged highlands. I'm also at 24 lands too. Without another untapped r/g land at our disposal, you will probably need 23 lands at least. My list for bo1 Arena. Seems decent, perhaps not as good as in the last meta. Bonecrusher giant is really good, as is questing beast. I'm not sold on Robber of the Rich yet. I think Zhur-taa Goblin may be better. DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards 4 Stomping Ground (RNA) 2594 Gruul Spellbreaker (RNA) 1794 Growth-Chamber Guardian (RNA) 12810 Forest (RIX) 1966 Mountain (M19) 2752 Zhur-Taa Goblin (RNA) 2152 Nullhide Ferox (GRN) 1383 Fabled Passage (ELD) 2444 Paradise Druid (WAR) 1711 Rugged Highlands (M20) 2502 Shock (M19) 1563 Once Upon a Time (ELD) 1694 Questing Beast (ELD) 1712 Skarrgan Hellkite (RNA) 1144 Bonecrusher Giant (ELD) 1153 Lava Coil (GRN) 1082 Robber of the Rich (ELD) 138
So I considered sideboarding Massacre Girl and Order of Midnight for slightly less conditional board wipes. But my deck has to choose between W or B and doesn't support both.
Quote from SavannahLion »I've stopped playing 4C Gates for about three weeks. Actually, I stopped playing paper Standard. The meta has gotten extraordinarily gross and I don't feel like investing further in paper cards this close to rotation. Gold fishing strategies against decks centered around Field of the Dead, Risen Reef and/or Agent of Treachery isn't yielding very good results. If a deck just employs one of these cards, I can find the strategy to beat it. If the deck uses two or three of these cards, then I can't find the strategy without involving a greater degree of luck. Of course, there are a number of sideboard cards that can be utilized. I just haven't figured out which ones ywt.
Quote from Corne »I like your deck even if Ghalta is rotating out. I'd put Nullhide Ferox in because of the discard.
Quote from kysg »These are ideas I had, I've been working on the Midrange version more, have to get more input on superfriends version. Hard thing about the superfriends version is the control matchup and early ramp. Only trouble I have been having with Midrange version is sideboarding. Chandra is hard to fit in. Also not sure Light Up The Stage makes sense here. Really wondering what other card advantage options we have in Gruul package. RG MidrangeMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Creatures (19)4 Llanowar Elves2 Paradise Druid2 Thorn Lieutenant4 Growth-Chamber Guardian3 Rekindling Phoenix4 Gruul SpellbreakerPlaneswalkers (10)2 Domri, Anarch of Bolas3 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner2 Nissa, Who shakes the world3 Sarkhan the masterlessSpells(7)2 Banefire2 Collision // Colossus2 Lightning Strike1 Light Up the stageLands (24)10 Forest6 Mountain4 Stomping Grounds4 Rootbound CragSideboard(15)2 Lava Coil2 Thrashing Brontodon3 Cindervines1 Carnage Tyrant1 Ravager Wurm2 Kraul Harpooner2 Thrash \\ Threat2 Fight with Fire RG SuperfriendsMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Creatures (11)4 Llanowar Elves3 Rekindling Phoenix4 Burning ProphetPlaneswalkers (16)2 Domri, Anarch of Bolas2 Nissa, Who shakes the world3 Sarkhan the masterless3 Ugin the ineffable3 Chandra, Fire Artisan3 Karn, Scion of UrzaSpells(12)4 Shock2 Lava Coil4 Lightning Strike2 Tormenting VoiceLands (24)9 Forest7 Mountain4 Stomping Grounds4 Rootbound CragSideboard(12)2 Lava Coil2 Thrashing Brontodon3 Cindervines3 Fiery Cannonade2 Fight with Fire
Quote from kysg »How do folks feel about Gruul superfriends? I've tried to put one together with Sarkhan the masterless Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner Nissa, who shakes the world Domri, Anarch of Bolas
Quote from lugger »Quote from TechnoWriter » Outside of the Elves thang, is anything glaringly wrong? I'd consider more mana in the form of more lands in this deck since you're not running elves. At least 24. They can be in the form of Mobilized District, if you like. Quote from lugger »Mythic again this season. See finalized list below: DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards 4x Llanowar Elves4x Thorn Lieutenant4x Growth-Chamber Guardian2x Paradise Druid4x Gruul Spellbreaker4x Rekindling Phoenix2x Shock2x Lava Coil2x Collision // Colossus1x Banefire3x Domri, Anarch of Bolas2x Tibalt, Rakish Instigator3x Sarkhan the Masterless4x Stomping Ground4x Rootbound Crag1x Mobilized District8x Forest6x MountainSideboard:2x Bolt Bend1x Vivien Reid1x Ravager Wurm4x Cindervines3x Fiery Cannonade1x Lava Coil2x Legion Warboss1x Banefire Tibalt looks bad but is very good against a lot of the decks right now. Superfriends, Esper, UB, etc. He even makes idiots that block pretty well for 1/1s. The fact that he blocks lifegain from Contempt and Enter the God-Eternals is huge. He's also another body to carry Sarkhan animations -- maybe the strongest part of this deck. Thorn Lieutenant is good because he's quite the tempo snag against decks rocking cheap removal. He's a bit slower than Zhur-Taa but that guy dies to a sneeze so... Took this list to the SCG Open Syracuse this weekend. Ended up 75th, 11 places out of prize. List was ok. Sideboard was bad. My losses were to: Bant Oketra x2 Jeskai Superfriends Bant Flash Bant Nexus Esper Midrange Wins were against: GR Ramp Jeskai Superfriends Esper Midrange x2 Esper Control UG Mass Manipulation UR Phoenix x2 Mono Red
Quote from TechnoWriter » Outside of the Elves thang, is anything glaringly wrong?
Quote from lugger »Mythic again this season. See finalized list below: DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards 4x Llanowar Elves4x Thorn Lieutenant4x Growth-Chamber Guardian2x Paradise Druid4x Gruul Spellbreaker4x Rekindling Phoenix2x Shock2x Lava Coil2x Collision // Colossus1x Banefire3x Domri, Anarch of Bolas2x Tibalt, Rakish Instigator3x Sarkhan the Masterless4x Stomping Ground4x Rootbound Crag1x Mobilized District8x Forest6x MountainSideboard:2x Bolt Bend1x Vivien Reid1x Ravager Wurm4x Cindervines3x Fiery Cannonade1x Lava Coil2x Legion Warboss1x Banefire Tibalt looks bad but is very good against a lot of the decks right now. Superfriends, Esper, UB, etc. He even makes idiots that block pretty well for 1/1s. The fact that he blocks lifegain from Contempt and Enter the God-Eternals is huge. He's also another body to carry Sarkhan animations -- maybe the strongest part of this deck. Thorn Lieutenant is good because he's quite the tempo snag against decks rocking cheap removal. He's a bit slower than Zhur-Taa but that guy dies to a sneeze so...
Quote from CalicoBill »Rhythm of the Wild is better than Domri, Anarch of Bolas as it gives a +1/+1 counter not +1/0 buff so it stays if Rhythm of the Wild is removed from the field. The counter works with proliferate and doesn't have to be triggered to make your creature spells uncounterable. It can't be attacked by creatures. It can give haste if you need that instead of a counter. It just gives you more options than Domri, Anarch of Bolas
Quote from kysg »Quote from Redirus91 » Why only 3 Crag? Why Arynx? Why 4 Kiora? Kiora I do believe is a 3 of, I think for testing though I wanted to see how often it would show up in starting 7. Ideally I feel like you always want to get to turn 2/turn 3 kiora and then play steel leaf/spellbreaker. Untapping that land with an elf out can be helpful. Arynx is a test card, don't think it's playable, triggers kiora and trample helps with rhonas also the mana works out better than phoenix. I did add in a singleton Domri, Anarch of Bolas I like what this card does, small anthem effect, removal, and adds mana for any spell. After that just don't have a whole lot of rares to so have to keep grinding till I get em. Gruul MonstersMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Creatures (23)4 Llanowar Elves4 Kraul Harpooner2 Thorn Lieutenant4 Steel Leaf Champion2 Rekindling Phoenix3 Gruul Spellbreaker2 God-Eternal Rhonas2 Ghalta, Primal HungerPlaneswalkers (7)2 Vivien Reid1 Domri, Anarch of Bolas4 Kiora, Behemoth BeckonerLands (22)12 Forest3 Mountain4 Stomping Grounds3 Rootbound CragSpells (8)3 Bond of Flourishing3 Thrash // Threat2 Collision // Colossus I'm also noting Ross Merriam's aggro list SCG Ross Merriam DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Creatures (23)4 Llanowar Elves2 Evolution Sage3 Incubation Druid4 Krenko-Street Kingpin4 Rekindling Phoenix3 Gruul Spellbreaker4 Zhur-Taa Goblin3 Skarrgan-HellkitePlaneswalkers (5)4 Domri, Anarch of Bolas1 Samut, Tyrant SmasherLands (24)8 Forest8 Mountain4 Stomping Grounds4 Rootbound CragSpells (4)2 Thrash // Threat2 Collision // ColossussSideboard(15)3 Lava Coil1 Vivien Reid2 Carnage Tyrant2 Kraul Harpooner1 Chandra, Fire Artisan2 Rhythm of the Wild1 Crushing Canopy3 Shock So, I'm convinced Rhythm of the Wild should be in the sideboard in favor of Domri, Anarch of Bolas
Quote from Redirus91 » Why only 3 Crag? Why Arynx? Why 4 Kiora?
Quote from kysg » Gruul MonstersMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Creatures (24)4 Llanowar Elves4 Kraul Harpooner2 Thorn Lieutenant4 Steel-Leaf Champion3 Frenzied Arynx3 Gruul Spellbreaker2 God-Eternal Rhonas2 Ghalta, Primal HungerPlaneswalkers (6)2 Vivien Reid4 Kiora, Behemoth BeckonerLands (22)12 Forest3 Mountains4 Stomping Grounds3 Rootbound CragSpells (8)3 Bond of Flourishing3 Thrash // Threat2 Collision // Colossus Going a different direction, deck definitely needs Rekindling Phoenix...though discard Dimir/Grixis seem to be the worst matchups. There is Tamiyo, Collector of tales