Carven Caryatid, Predator Ooze, and most importantly, Kitchen Finks are now all very much more viable options for us to combat Zoo and the kitty. We'll evolve a bit but stay much the same.
Krosan Grip gets better for our sideboard. Mistbind/Bitterblossom shens hate that card.
You'll be fine. It'll get better now that DRS is gone. Snapcaster Mage got a bit better, and it wasn't bad to start. UWR was good before the bans and they did nothing but make it better.
We will need to survive another one or two months of "jund is dead" until a pro top on a GP, because people here aren't capable of telling what is dead or not until a pro proves them so.
THIS.
People are so pathetic.
Lemmings can't do anything until SCG/CF tells them to.
I really hope you enjoy flipping batterskull to bob for the next 4 turns!
Oh wow. I haven't had the pleasure of doing this, but when I do, it'll probably make me giggle like a little girl.
You do make a good point in your post about being able to out-grind Jund. This is a big reason I play Predator Ooze as one of my enablers as well. If you have another creature, like Arbor Elf or Birds of Paradise(*wink*), they literally can not kill the Ooze. I've won games against Jund by getting two Oozes down and using one to block their Goyf-counter-attacks and swinging in with the other every turn.
The reason that works is because they have to Thoughtseize/IoK your "Business" cards like Gen Wave/Primal Command/Primeval Titan or they just lose to those.
Now that Woo has advertised the deck, tons of people are going to start playing his version of it. These people, in droves, get enough good matchups in premier/daily events...They'll do well and he'll look like a genius.
NinjaBearDelver did the same thing. I do like that all the big online stores are sold out of Gen Waves and Primal Commands though, that is neat.
I arrived at these cards because I tested the heck out of the deck. Some other people arrived at different cards (stuff like visionary and selkie), and that is fine. My meta is different from yours, we're gonna have different needs for our different metas.
Random cards like Sapling of Colfenor and the absence of the Arbor/Sprawl engine makes me believe someone should probably read a few pages back before posting on a developing archetype.
You go first and get Arbor Elf or Utopia Sprawl.
Opponent goes second and gets a land and passes turn.
Turn 2 you get your second land, tap for 3, cast Choke.
This is a good situation for you.
The bad situation is if you went second.
They go first and drop a land then Serum Visions or something.
You go second and play your land > arbor elf/utopia sprawl.
They take their second turn and play another land.
You take your second turn and drop a land and tap for 3 to cast Choke. They have 2 untapped lands and Remand/Mana Leak it.
In most situations when you're going second, you wont walk right into the Remand. You'll sit with it until an opportune time. A good opponent won't let that opportune time come.
Going first is a pretty good advantage in Magic most of the time.
Choke is pretty good against a good portion of the decks. It's just irrelevant against Twin if they go first. If you're going first you can threaten something big. Then, drop Choke when they're tapped out.
No, not a lost cause. You need to be doing something other than throwing out big ole Inferno Titan though.... There are better droids to be looking for I think. Don't get me wrong though, I love me some big old titan.
I'd go ahead and agree that Wurmcoil is bad against us.
However, on that Twin matchup...
In my tournament report earlier in the thread I played 3 Twin over the course of 8 matches through that day.
I went 2-1 in matches vs them. I think I got really freaking lucky.
I had basically 2 cards that interacted with them, 1 Krosan Grip and 1 Beast Within, from the sideboard. I did side in an Acidic Slime as well, but it doesn't do anything unless you go first. 3x Choke came in if I was going first as well.
A few of the games I remember very clearly that I was sitting there with Krosan Grip in hand just playing draw-go until I could build enough board presence to keep that mana up and do other things like chaining Primal Command or casting Primeval Titan.
Heck, at one point my Quarterfinals opponent had 3 Spellskites and 2 Pestermites down and we sat for 5 turns while he twiddled the top of his deck and I prayed he didn't get Kiki-Jiki but Twin instead.
Like I said, I think it was a bunch of luck. I didn't anticipate so much Twin in this tournament, but next time we do the big prize Modern at my LGS I'll be trying out some more "hard" hate like Damping Matrix or Torpor Orb.
Firespout got better.
We'll be fine.
Carven Caryatid, Predator Ooze, and most importantly, Kitchen Finks are now all very much more viable options for us to combat Zoo and the kitty. We'll evolve a bit but stay much the same.
Krosan Grip gets better for our sideboard. Mistbind/Bitterblossom shens hate that card.
You won't though.
You'll be playing Faeries in 2 weeks and be back to your arrogant, greedy mana-base ways.
And I'll still be murder-stomping you with jank.
THIS.
People are so pathetic.
Lemmings can't do anything until SCG/CF tells them to.
1 Ghost Quarter
16 Forest
4 Arbor Elf
2 Joraga Treespeaker
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
3 Wistful Selkie
2 Leatherback Baloth
3 Eternal Witness
1 Acidic Slime
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Primal Command
2 Sylvan Scrying
4 Genesis Wave
Could use something to replace Craterhoof. Can't think of anything to replace Garruk...Maybe Voyaging Satyr?
Oh wow. I haven't had the pleasure of doing this, but when I do, it'll probably make me giggle like a little girl.
You do make a good point in your post about being able to out-grind Jund. This is a big reason I play Predator Ooze as one of my enablers as well. If you have another creature, like Arbor Elf or Birds of Paradise(*wink*), they literally can not kill the Ooze. I've won games against Jund by getting two Oozes down and using one to block their Goyf-counter-attacks and swinging in with the other every turn.
The reason that works is because they have to Thoughtseize/IoK your "Business" cards like Gen Wave/Primal Command/Primeval Titan or they just lose to those.
Now that Woo has advertised the deck, tons of people are going to start playing his version of it. These people, in droves, get enough good matchups in premier/daily events...They'll do well and he'll look like a genius.
NinjaBearDelver did the same thing. I do like that all the big online stores are sold out of Gen Waves and Primal Commands though, that is neat.
Travis Woo makes a bad version of the same deck and claims he's created the deck he would take to a Pro Tour if it happened today.
Woo
Everyone abandons everything we've tested on this thread because of this?
Yeah, sounds about right...
"Primeval Titan is too slow?"
Seriously?
I know what my preferences are:
Predator Ooze
Eternal Witness
Primal Command
Genesis Wave
and
Prime Time.
I arrived at these cards because I tested the heck out of the deck. Some other people arrived at different cards (stuff like visionary and selkie), and that is fine. My meta is different from yours, we're gonna have different needs for our different metas.
Random cards like Sapling of Colfenor and the absence of the Arbor/Sprawl engine makes me believe someone should probably read a few pages back before posting on a developing archetype.
You go first and get Arbor Elf or Utopia Sprawl.
Opponent goes second and gets a land and passes turn.
Turn 2 you get your second land, tap for 3, cast Choke.
This is a good situation for you.
The bad situation is if you went second.
They go first and drop a land then Serum Visions or something.
You go second and play your land > arbor elf/utopia sprawl.
They take their second turn and play another land.
You take your second turn and drop a land and tap for 3 to cast Choke. They have 2 untapped lands and Remand/Mana Leak it.
In most situations when you're going second, you wont walk right into the Remand. You'll sit with it until an opportune time. A good opponent won't let that opportune time come.
Going first is a pretty good advantage in Magic most of the time.
How about Blood Moon and Magus of the Moon?
Could Nykthos work here?
However, on that Twin matchup...
In my tournament report earlier in the thread I played 3 Twin over the course of 8 matches through that day.
I went 2-1 in matches vs them. I think I got really freaking lucky.
I had basically 2 cards that interacted with them, 1 Krosan Grip and 1 Beast Within, from the sideboard. I did side in an Acidic Slime as well, but it doesn't do anything unless you go first. 3x Choke came in if I was going first as well.
A few of the games I remember very clearly that I was sitting there with Krosan Grip in hand just playing draw-go until I could build enough board presence to keep that mana up and do other things like chaining Primal Command or casting Primeval Titan.
Heck, at one point my Quarterfinals opponent had 3 Spellskites and 2 Pestermites down and we sat for 5 turns while he twiddled the top of his deck and I prayed he didn't get Kiki-Jiki but Twin instead.
Like I said, I think it was a bunch of luck. I didn't anticipate so much Twin in this tournament, but next time we do the big prize Modern at my LGS I'll be trying out some more "hard" hate like Damping Matrix or Torpor Orb.