So let me get this straight. I make two correct reads on players, one being mafia. And because I interacted with Flufflyn00b once with a vote, you are going to think of me as possible scum? What kind of ****** logic is this.
Also, I have noticed that you did not have one single interaction with
Flufflyn00b. Could this be because you are scum as well? I think so.
You would go me for next, when I have had two correct reads on players. One being mafia and the other being town? Please exaplain your logic for this.
Just as being wrong is not equal to being scum, being right is not equal to being town. Being right makes you more a bit likely to be town, especially if you are right about scum, but being right twice is not confirming yourself as town.
The happy birthday counts as an interaction - an interaction need not necessarily be relating to the game.
Well, perhaps fluffyn00b would have interacted with a scumbuddy if he made it to post 254. If he had been modkilled at 157, your list of suspects would be Seppel, Bursinatrix, Heartwork, and Audinho - 4 townies.
Now, if you decided to go ahead with this, assuming I hadn't provided this game as evidence against your claim, when I flipped town would you have attempted to get thevoid lynched the next day?
In basic #47, Gigarage did not interact with any scumbuddies for his first 12 posts. The only interaction he had was including him on a reads list in post 129, and saying happy birthday to him in post 254. He also said he was town to him after he was lynched, but that hardly counts.
Keep in mind he was modkilled 157 posts in. I doubt it will be somewhat difficult to find a game where a mafia member had no interactions with another mafia member in the first 157 posts. Or, if you prefer, when they had only posted 12 times.
Yeah, let's NOT lynch the limited shot cop before he gets a chance to use his abilities. Especially since he's probably town, albeit new. At the very list give him a night to use his ability. Besides, does anybody think that a noob scum would think to claim 2-shot cop, rather than full or 1-shot?
Crap! I thought him flipping scum was going to add credence to my Gigas-Brin-Fluffy theory, not somehow turn against me.
I still say he was /barning me and that's what told me towards him.
You said you'd give your scum-town list, and so far all you've said is me.
Even though the favor has shifted away from it, I'm going to try to get a scum lynched anyway.
Vote Gigas1 FOS Brinatoo
I still can't wrap my mind around Mu. Looking at motives and actions, I could see all of them as either Town or Mafia (leaning town), but he's playing a strong game either way (though I would say it would be a better Mafia game).
Why do you still think I'm scum? The only reasons you gave are "Mu shot down his defense," which he totally didn't. If there were reasons other than that that I'm not remembering, please tell me them now.
That is a massive fensesit on Mu. Why bring it up at all?
I was somewhat agreeing with Tezz in that he was answering questions unsuspiciously. However, since then, Brinatoo has seemed even more suspicious to me, making my feelings of them as a Scum Team return. Seeing as I see them as a Scum Team, I'd be happy voting for either of them, but seeing as nobody has cared about Brinatoo at all, I figured Gigas was the one more likely to be pulled off.
...Seriously? You don't read people individually, you read them as teams? And Brinatoo is scummy for disagreeing with you? Just some advice: That is awful reasoning. You're probably noob town, but just go back and reread thinking about this:
1. Being wrong is not a scum tell.
2. Disagreeing with you is not a scum tell.
3. Intent and result is more indicative of scuminess than being odd or aggressive. Think about what the other person is thinking in a post while analyzing it. Not doing that is what got me into trouble at the beginning of this game, so don't make the same mistake.
He was protecting Fluffy using bad logic right after protecting Gigas using no logic (Gigas might have defended himself, but Brin essentially said "looks fine").
And saying that my defense is good is scummy, how?
The fact that I've been after the same person (Gigas) mentioning that I think the same person's helping him (Brin) from the start and the only person I try to connect them to (Fluffy) flips Scum should say something.
No, it shouldn't. I can't remember the name of that falacy, but saying "I was right in this case, so I MUST be right in this other, mostly unrelated case" is not good logic. And the connection to me is... Brinatoo defended me, and Brinatoo defended Fluffy. How does Fluffy flipping scum incriminate Brinatoo, let alone me? Being wrong on defending someone is not a scum tell, just likely betting on 1-5 on a die roll and having it come up 6 isn't a poor decision. If his logic was sound, and came from a towny mindset, chances are he was town, even if he was wrong. I'm not saying he is town, but attacking him for being wrong is really not a good idea.
Uhh... no it wasn't. Let's run through the checklist for what makes something OMGUS:
[X] attacks his attacker
[] contains little reasoning
[] is made due solely to the fact it is him draco is attacking
1/3 is not indicative of OMGUS. #3 is clearly uncertain, as he has access to his exact thought process and we do not, but I would say that it is likely Brinatoo would have thought this way about any post, but the fact that it was directed at him causes a more immediate response. That does not indicate either mind set, it can be done from either side.
P.S: The reason for that is less to do with this game in particular and more me getting annoyed with how frequently people say OMGUS and are wrong. Voting for your attacker is NOT OMGUS. OMGUS is voting for little to no reason, and only because they are your attacker. Those last parts are key.
Why do you think I am scum?
Why do you think Brinatoo is scum?
My reads list:
1. Digicooldad - Hasn't posted enough for me to make a good read.
2. tezzeret12 - Mostly neutral, backed off of me after I defended myself which makes sense from both alignments.
3. Sir Mu - I should re-read you, but for now leaning slightly scum.
4. Trusted Wave (M. Sepiriel) - Strongly leaning town for attempting to slow down my wagon. Scum would either be for it or against it, but saying slow down comes from a town mindset.
6. Arnnaria - Neutral. Flavor gaming is either an honest effort, or him knowing that one of his buddies had one of those roles (fluffy), and so he could get a mislynch if somebody else had one.
7. Brinatoo (M. Iso) - Must reread.
8. Prophylaxis - Leaning scum. He avoided commenting on my wagon until after it had died down quite a lot, and says that the arguing was going to get us nowhere. Even new town should understand that a discussion like this would lead to people getting reads.
9. Pinkfloyd - I read him as scum, but just going off of experience I'm not good at reading him, so I will not be doing that for a while.
10. Heart of Draco - Leaning noob town, but he is another I will have to reread.
12. TheVoid985 (Replacing Exchangebang) - Has he posted yet?
I still don't buy the point where you can be town and think that tezzeret responded seriously. Having been in that game, and being a good player, the only possibly town Gigas1 knowledge is understanding.
Could you believe that a tired Gigas who was posting quickly would think that? Long story short: He said it was legit. I believed him. I posted that before thinking it through fully. Oh, and do note that I wasn't the only person to fail to immediately think he was joking. Pinkfloyd, who was also in that game, asked if it was serious. So the only difference is I posted based on assuming it was true rather than asking first, so I was being less careful. This is different from my typical scum style, which is very careful. Granted, I could be trying out a new playstyle as scum, but I'm not.
If tezzeret12 is town, "Sir Mu made a reference to the hat, can't use that to mislynch him. Tezzeret12 voted for Sir Mu for making a reference to the hat, saying he's serious. He must be serious, but that's a bad reason to vote for Sir Mu, I will vote tezzeret12 for it."
And why couldn't I think that same was as town? The ability to detect sarcasm is not something I'm good at. For example, I didn't figure out you actually had no reasons for the hat thing until quite late in Seance Mafia.
Basically, my argument is that a town Gigas1, focused on logic and proper play, would understand that Tezzeret12 is joking, while a scum Gigas1, focused on mislynching townies or distancing, would seek actions to this end and therefor misunderstand.
Yes, a focused town Gigas would understand Tezzeret12 is joking. A non-focused town Gigas who is excited about a new game starting would not. If I was doing a PBPA, I would have picked up on the joke, but just posting gut reactions (which is what most of my posts are), I would not.
Why only an FoS?
Just as being wrong is not equal to being scum, being right is not equal to being town. Being right makes you more a bit likely to be town, especially if you are right about scum, but being right twice is not confirming yourself as town.
Well, perhaps fluffyn00b would have interacted with a scumbuddy if he made it to post 254. If he had been modkilled at 157, your list of suspects would be Seppel, Bursinatrix, Heartwork, and Audinho - 4 townies.
Now, if you decided to go ahead with this, assuming I hadn't provided this game as evidence against your claim, when I flipped town would you have attempted to get thevoid lynched the next day?
Until then, Sir Mu's case is crap.
...Seriously? You want me lynched because a noob scum barned the case of a confirmed town and voted for me?
Why do you still think I'm scum? The only reasons you gave are "Mu shot down his defense," which he totally didn't. If there were reasons other than that that I'm not remembering, please tell me them now.
That is a massive fensesit on Mu. Why bring it up at all?
...Seriously? You don't read people individually, you read them as teams? And Brinatoo is scummy for disagreeing with you? Just some advice: That is awful reasoning. You're probably noob town, but just go back and reread thinking about this:
1. Being wrong is not a scum tell.
2. Disagreeing with you is not a scum tell.
3. Intent and result is more indicative of scuminess than being odd or aggressive. Think about what the other person is thinking in a post while analyzing it. Not doing that is what got me into trouble at the beginning of this game, so don't make the same mistake.
And saying that my defense is good is scummy, how?
No, it shouldn't. I can't remember the name of that falacy, but saying "I was right in this case, so I MUST be right in this other, mostly unrelated case" is not good logic. And the connection to me is... Brinatoo defended me, and Brinatoo defended Fluffy. How does Fluffy flipping scum incriminate Brinatoo, let alone me? Being wrong on defending someone is not a scum tell, just likely betting on 1-5 on a die roll and having it come up 6 isn't a poor decision. If his logic was sound, and came from a towny mindset, chances are he was town, even if he was wrong. I'm not saying he is town, but attacking him for being wrong is really not a good idea.
Uhh... no it wasn't. Let's run through the checklist for what makes something OMGUS:
[X] attacks his attacker
[] contains little reasoning
[] is made due solely to the fact it is him draco is attacking
1/3 is not indicative of OMGUS. #3 is clearly uncertain, as he has access to his exact thought process and we do not, but I would say that it is likely Brinatoo would have thought this way about any post, but the fact that it was directed at him causes a more immediate response. That does not indicate either mind set, it can be done from either side.
P.S: The reason for that is less to do with this game in particular and more me getting annoyed with how frequently people say OMGUS and are wrong. Voting for your attacker is NOT OMGUS. OMGUS is voting for little to no reason, and only because they are your attacker. Those last parts are key.
Why do you think I am scum?
Why do you think Brinatoo is scum?
My reads list:
1. Digicooldad - Hasn't posted enough for me to make a good read.
2. tezzeret12 - Mostly neutral, backed off of me after I defended myself which makes sense from both alignments.
3. Sir Mu - I should re-read you, but for now leaning slightly scum.
4. Trusted Wave (M. Sepiriel) - Strongly leaning town for attempting to slow down my wagon. Scum would either be for it or against it, but saying slow down comes from a town mindset.
6. Arnnaria - Neutral. Flavor gaming is either an honest effort, or him knowing that one of his buddies had one of those roles (fluffy), and so he could get a mislynch if somebody else had one.
7. Brinatoo (M. Iso) - Must reread.
8. Prophylaxis - Leaning scum. He avoided commenting on my wagon until after it had died down quite a lot, and says that the arguing was going to get us nowhere. Even new town should understand that a discussion like this would lead to people getting reads.
9. Pinkfloyd - I read him as scum, but just going off of experience I'm not good at reading him, so I will not be doing that for a while.
10. Heart of Draco - Leaning noob town, but he is another I will have to reread.
12. TheVoid985 (Replacing Exchangebang) - Has he posted yet?
No votes until those rereads are done.
Could you believe that a tired Gigas who was posting quickly would think that? Long story short: He said it was legit. I believed him. I posted that before thinking it through fully. Oh, and do note that I wasn't the only person to fail to immediately think he was joking. Pinkfloyd, who was also in that game, asked if it was serious. So the only difference is I posted based on assuming it was true rather than asking first, so I was being less careful. This is different from my typical scum style, which is very careful. Granted, I could be trying out a new playstyle as scum, but I'm not.
Generally when somebody votes you, you explain why you posted/did what they voted you for.
And why couldn't I think that same was as town? The ability to detect sarcasm is not something I'm good at. For example, I didn't figure out you actually had no reasons for the hat thing until quite late in Seance Mafia.
Yes, a focused town Gigas would understand Tezzeret12 is joking. A non-focused town Gigas who is excited about a new game starting would not. If I was doing a PBPA, I would have picked up on the joke, but just posting gut reactions (which is what most of my posts are), I would not.
I suspect you are significantly overestimating my skill at this game.