I think my biggest concern today is mislynching another time. If we hit scum tonight, either you or Proph can use your power tonight and make it even easier for us to win.
You know, we should probably decide what we want to do with Proph's ability. If we hit town, he should definitely NOT use it. If he misfired, it would lose the game.
If you guys wanna lose this game, go ahead and lynch me.
Unless you are scum setting up a mislynch which is highly probable.
My votes still on Pink Floyd. He's pulling somebody's strings.
Votecount, please?
And this does not. Notice the difference. Brinatoo is upset about people's reads being wrong and reading him as scum. Arnnaria is upset about being lynched. Brinatoo wants to know how to act more town so as to be read as town. Arnnaria wants to fearmonger to get people to not vote for him. Arnnaria also actually OMGUS's in his post, as well. Notice the second line. He accuses his attackers of being scum, but provides no evidence other than them attacking him. I am now happy with an Arnnaria lynch. I won't vote until we get a votecount because I don't want to end the day until everybody's ready.
Arnnaria and Pinkfloyd: .01% Just doesn't seem possible with how floyd has been pushing on me and Arnnaria
Arnnaria and Trusted Wave: 20% Most likely scumpartner, if Arnnaria is scum.
Arnnaria and Gigas1: .99%
Gigas1 and Pinkfloyd: 50%
Gigas1 and Trusted Wave: 80%
Pinkfloyd and Trusted Wave: 35%
vote Gigas1
Yeah, this vote is crap. Using a bunch of arbitrarily defined percentages as evidence I'm scum, which as far as I know there has never been an actual case regarding, is not a good reason to vote for me. Keep in mind these percentages add up to 186%, and that even if these were accurate, Trusted Wave would be more likely to be scum than me.
This is what I was talking about. I have made many mistakes, but assumed correctly on there being a mafia role blocker. Do you really think that I would push so hard to try and figure out what game setup this was? I would not have done much of what I have done, if I was scum, and, you have very little meta to check so you will just have to take my word for it.
Seriously? You're using WIFOM self-meta with no way to check it as evidence you're TOWN? Correctly assuming there's a RB isn't hard if you're scum and know there is one.
1. explained
2. don't get the right feel of that combination.
3. gigas seems like scum to me, could be with you
4. but seems more likely to be with T-wave.
5. Doubt you are with T-wave, also don't get the right feel from this.
And neither is your case on Arnn, and you being wrong about me.
Way too damn lazy at this point in this game, I did soooo much scumhunting and got jack for results- except I figured Sir Mu was hiding something. The second I start causing chaos, people did ****. So no, I'm not going to post something that is going to be overlooked again.
Great job, you successfully identified a power role. That's the town's objective, right? Find the power roles? Wait, what's that you say Mr. Town Player? That's what the SCUM try to do? But...then that means Brinatoo is likely scum?
And you're reason for not wanting to scumhunt is because...you did it before? And it didn't work? So what you're saying is that you tried to scumhunt, didn't find scum, and now you want that to remove suspicion of you and absolve you of responsibility for scumhunting?
Okay floyd, if you are so sure about Arnnaria, who are you suspecting 3rd most scummy?- Since you are wrong about me. And the thing about Arnnaria, is that it is way to obvious. I am trying to not overthink this and mislynch.
So the obvious choice for a lynch is Arnnaria. You, not overthinking it, decide he clearly CANNOT be scum because that would be too obvious. Anyone else noticing that contradiction?
Pinkfloyd has never said anything damaging about our most scummy player: Gigas1. In fact, I think Pinkfloyd is defending him almost by deflecting onto me.
I see now that Gigas1's current vote is on a legitimate PR due to flavor reasons. That about seals the deal...
Way to follow the thread...Flavor had almost nothing to do with the vote. It was due to me thinking his scummy behavior was sufficient to override his vig claim. However, I will say that I no longer consider him in my top 2 suspects. Unvote.
I'll probably reread in the next few days, then vote again.
This post I hammered him, right? I was a bit confused. I made the "Unvote, Vote" post as clarification.
See voting rule #1. And why would you clarify it? If you no longer thought he was scum, you shouldn't have tried to make sure he was lynched by unvoting and revoting.
And no, I am not trying to force a lynch on you. I unvoted you. I no longer think that you are scum - that post just felt a bit suspicious.
What changed between post #619 and post #621 to change your mind? The only thing that happened in the game was a post by me that you said was "very suspicious."
Sorry Void. Town kinda screwed the pooch on this one.
Okay. So you see this post? The one where you hammer TheVoid? Notice how in the same post you say that the town screwed the pooch? Explain it. You think he is town when you made this post. You hammer him in this post. You hammer someone you think is town. Why? "Sir Mu told me to do it" isn't an acceptable reason.
Okay. Unvote This post strikes me as very suspicious for some reason - seems like "us" is referring to "us" as mafia and the power roles as the enemy. Hmm.
...What the heck? You unvote me and accuse me of being mafia IN THE SAME SENTENCE? And the reasoning is ridiculously horrible. Yes, I am mafia, and the mafia have enough people to force through a lynch on their own, and I want the power roles to not claim so that they can stop us when we try to lynch them, and I want them to stop us from lynching them because I, as mafia, don't want to lynch power roles. What part of that makes sense? I'm not the Riddler; when I'm mafia I don't have a compulsion to constantly post hints to it in the thread.
These attacks don't come from a town mindset. You are looking for the smallest thing to make me look scummy, like "He used the word 'us' to refer to the town. I bet he secretly meant 'us' to refer to the mafia!" You aren't trying to find out who's scum, you are trying to push through a lynch on me.
For Gigas1: Can you please give opinion on the massclaim?
My mistake. I'm against it. If a power role is about to get lynched, they'll claim and stop us. If we are about to lynch somebody an investigative role has investigated as innocent, they should claim and stop us. If we are worried about them dying before sharing their results, that's why my town/scum list idea works.
I'm conflicting between Gigas1 and Brinatoo. Gigas1 maybe not because he claimed.
My tier two suspects are Trusted Wave and Arnnaria.
I just want to say that the reason for not suspecting me is awful. I claimed vanilla town, that should not make you want to lynch me any less. Not to mention you earlier said that you hammered TheVoid for claiming vanilla town. You are being inconsistent in your logic.
That doesn't answer the other question I posed to you. Why did you hammer TheVoid yesterday, when the post you hammered him in clearly implied you thought he was town? Or am I seriously misunderstanding what you meant by "screwed the pooch?"
I'm a confirmed townie and a PR. There is a chance we might hit scum RB'er.
Your claim FAR from confirms you. 1-shot vig is ridiculously easy to falseclaim. And seeing as to how you are apparently lynching me, there's no chance you might hit the scum roleblocker. By the way, what was your roleblock flavor? The scum already know this (probably), so you'll only be sharing new information with the town.
You still haven't answered my question: Why did you hammer TheVoid yesterday, when the post you hammered him in clearly implied you thought he was town? Or am I seriously misunderstanding what you meant by "screwed the pooch?"
At this point, we're going to be talking in circle until Gigas claims.
And the more time we wait for him to claim, the more time he can brew up a phoney or misleading story.
So, we need to apply pressure.
Yeah, coming up with fakeclaims in basics is SOOOOO hard! You have no idea how hard this was for me. I really hope it's convincing. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I'm vanilla town. Now, go ahead and proceed with this horible lynch based on just about nothing. Then lynch prophylaxis, because his claim is probably fake. I'll respond to the case against me when I get back home, but when I left it was Sir Mu saying "His interactions with Trusted Wave and Pinkfloyd seem more like scum than they do with each other because I say so" and Prohpylaxis saying "Claim please."
@Proph: Why would the scum shoot you? You are far from the stroungest analyst the town has (no offense), so they'd be better off just roleblocking you. That's all assuming you are town, which I doubt.
Yes Arnnaria, we did not forget about the flavor section of this game. And I do not think that there is a cop. I think it is a tracker. Or one-shot bulletproof. The cop would not have free reign to investigate since he would have a chance of getting nk'd.
In a basic setup, with 3 scum and 3 power roles, I wouldn't expect a Doctor, a 1shotvig, and a cop. That would be a very strong town team. Especially since scum likely has one goon and a roleblocker, I wouldn't think a strong 3rd role. However, if scum had not only a roleblocker, but something else as well, then I would think it to be even with a cop.
First, Fluffy was a 1-shot rolecop. Second, Cop+Doc+Vig was the standard basic setup for a while, so I don't think it's unbalanced. Third, the cop not having free reign because he might get nightkilled is ridiculous. He'll still get results, he just might not be able to share them.
Not particularly. Automatic claiming at L-2 is hardly the ideal play; it's not like I'm super scum suspect number 1 with everyone breathing down my neck for a lynch. I see no point in me claiming.
Anyway, I'd say Britanoo is town (for reasons I've mentioned), Arnnaria is town (I buy the logic of scum having no reason to mention the gun stealing thing), and Proph is town (un CC'd vig). I know I'm town, so that leaves Trusted Wave, Gigas1, and pinkfloyd for scum suspects. I'm fairly certain there's not a Trusted Wave + pinkfloyd scum team, their interactions suggest nothing of the sort, so that means it's either Trusted Wave + Gigas1 or pinfkloyd + Gigas1. Either way, Gigas1 is scum.
Unvote Vote Gigas1
Back to the original suspect.
Quick alternative caveat; Proph could be scum lying about his role, but in that case there is a non-investigative role that's not claiming, which isn't something I can blame them for, but it's something to keep in mind.
Now I'm starting to thinking massclaim even though LyLo isn't until tomorrow may be a good idea, hmmmm.
So your doing process of elimination? Didn't you say just a few posts ago using process of elimination that was grounds to vote somebody over? Could you explain why that doesn't apply to this situation? And how my interactions with Trusted Wave or Pinkfloyd make me more likely to be scum interactions than their interactions with each other?
Oh, and I won't be available this weekend. I'm visiting my grandma.
Alright, I skimmed the thread, and I think I can be happy with a Some_One lynch. Before I vote, I'd like to see a votecount, though. Once again, sorry that I haven't been active this game.
I'll give you a list of the one's I've completed, since I replaced out of shamefully many
Basic #7 (Paranoia)
Basic #8 (Hell's Kitchen)
Basic #12 (Space Station)
Basic #15 (Coffee House)
Guildpact Mafia
Basic #19 (Snow Valley)
Goo Mafia
Basic #27 (The Stand)
Hecatea
Basic #43 (Seance)
Basic #44 (Super Mario)
Anyway, I'm happy with lynching PinkFloyd. Saying the two replacements are confirmed town just doesn't make sense.
Uhh... no it's not. As long as the setup is balanced, having different ratios of town to scum does not make a game a bastard mod setup.
You know, we should probably decide what we want to do with Proph's ability. If we hit town, he should definitely NOT use it. If he misfired, it would lose the game.
This reads as genuine town frustration.
And this does not. Notice the difference. Brinatoo is upset about people's reads being wrong and reading him as scum. Arnnaria is upset about being lynched. Brinatoo wants to know how to act more town so as to be read as town. Arnnaria wants to fearmonger to get people to not vote for him. Arnnaria also actually OMGUS's in his post, as well. Notice the second line. He accuses his attackers of being scum, but provides no evidence other than them attacking him. I am now happy with an Arnnaria lynch. I won't vote until we get a votecount because I don't want to end the day until everybody's ready.
Yeah, this vote is crap. Using a bunch of arbitrarily defined percentages as evidence I'm scum, which as far as I know there has never been an actual case regarding, is not a good reason to vote for me. Keep in mind these percentages add up to 186%, and that even if these were accurate, Trusted Wave would be more likely to be scum than me.
Seriously? You're using WIFOM self-meta with no way to check it as evidence you're TOWN? Correctly assuming there's a RB isn't hard if you're scum and know there is one.
So you're vote on me is just gut?
Great job, you successfully identified a power role. That's the town's objective, right? Find the power roles? Wait, what's that you say Mr. Town Player? That's what the SCUM try to do? But...then that means Brinatoo is likely scum?
And you're reason for not wanting to scumhunt is because...you did it before? And it didn't work? So what you're saying is that you tried to scumhunt, didn't find scum, and now you want that to remove suspicion of you and absolve you of responsibility for scumhunting?
So the obvious choice for a lynch is Arnnaria. You, not overthinking it, decide he clearly CANNOT be scum because that would be too obvious. Anyone else noticing that contradiction?
And why am I the most scummy player?
Why did you vote for me, over your #1 suspect, pinkfloyd?
Way to follow the thread...Flavor had almost nothing to do with the vote. It was due to me thinking his scummy behavior was sufficient to override his vig claim. However, I will say that I no longer consider him in my top 2 suspects. Unvote.
I'll probably reread in the next few days, then vote again.
Why are you voting me? Voting somebody just to speed up the game is not a good idea.
See voting rule #1. And why would you clarify it? If you no longer thought he was scum, you shouldn't have tried to make sure he was lynched by unvoting and revoting.
What changed between post #619 and post #621 to change your mind? The only thing that happened in the game was a post by me that you said was "very suspicious."
Okay. So you see this post? The one where you hammer TheVoid? Notice how in the same post you say that the town screwed the pooch? Explain it. You think he is town when you made this post. You hammer him in this post. You hammer someone you think is town. Why? "Sir Mu told me to do it" isn't an acceptable reason.
...What the heck? You unvote me and accuse me of being mafia IN THE SAME SENTENCE? And the reasoning is ridiculously horrible. Yes, I am mafia, and the mafia have enough people to force through a lynch on their own, and I want the power roles to not claim so that they can stop us when we try to lynch them, and I want them to stop us from lynching them because I, as mafia, don't want to lynch power roles. What part of that makes sense? I'm not the Riddler; when I'm mafia I don't have a compulsion to constantly post hints to it in the thread.
These attacks don't come from a town mindset. You are looking for the smallest thing to make me look scummy, like "He used the word 'us' to refer to the town. I bet he secretly meant 'us' to refer to the mafia!" You aren't trying to find out who's scum, you are trying to push through a lynch on me.
You said that in the post you hammered him. Meaning you thought he was town when you hammered him.
My mistake. I'm against it. If a power role is about to get lynched, they'll claim and stop us. If we are about to lynch somebody an investigative role has investigated as innocent, they should claim and stop us. If we are worried about them dying before sharing their results, that's why my town/scum list idea works.
I just want to say that the reason for not suspecting me is awful. I claimed vanilla town, that should not make you want to lynch me any less. Not to mention you earlier said that you hammered TheVoid for claiming vanilla town. You are being inconsistent in your logic.
Then why did you apologize and say the town "screwed the pooch?"
Are you freaking kidding me? Do you honestly think there is even the slightest chance that was a scum slip?
Right, flavor. I used to like to rob places with Ringo. I don't anymore. Oh, and I'm kinda ditzy. My name is Yolanda, in case anyone forgot.
Your claim FAR from confirms you. 1-shot vig is ridiculously easy to falseclaim. And seeing as to how you are apparently lynching me, there's no chance you might hit the scum roleblocker. By the way, what was your roleblock flavor? The scum already know this (probably), so you'll only be sharing new information with the town.
You still haven't answered my question: Why did you hammer TheVoid yesterday, when the post you hammered him in clearly implied you thought he was town? Or am I seriously misunderstanding what you meant by "screwed the pooch?"
Yeah, coming up with fakeclaims in basics is SOOOOO hard! You have no idea how hard this was for me. I really hope it's convincing. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I'm vanilla town. Now, go ahead and proceed with this horible lynch based on just about nothing. Then lynch prophylaxis, because his claim is probably fake. I'll respond to the case against me when I get back home, but when I left it was Sir Mu saying "His interactions with Trusted Wave and Pinkfloyd seem more like scum than they do with each other because I say so" and Prohpylaxis saying "Claim please."
@Proph: Why would the scum shoot you? You are far from the stroungest analyst the town has (no offense), so they'd be better off just roleblocking you. That's all assuming you are town, which I doubt.
First, Fluffy was a 1-shot rolecop. Second, Cop+Doc+Vig was the standard basic setup for a while, so I don't think it's unbalanced. Third, the cop not having free reign because he might get nightkilled is ridiculous. He'll still get results, he just might not be able to share them.
So your doing process of elimination? Didn't you say just a few posts ago using process of elimination that was grounds to vote somebody over? Could you explain why that doesn't apply to this situation? And how my interactions with Trusted Wave or Pinkfloyd make me more likely to be scum interactions than their interactions with each other?
Oh, and I won't be available this weekend. I'm visiting my grandma.
@Mod: Votecount, please.