Great he fired....... I pray there is a day doc who believes me. DO NOT EXPOSE YOURSELF IF YOU EXIST.
I am a major power role. During the day I am a cop and at night I am a vig. I get the results the after each day lynch scene. I sent in a request for Cyan early game because I was wondering about his alignment.
I highly question my sanity in this game as a cop since there are so many differences in this game from a noraml. I would guess that there may be more cops since my role is powerful.
As for the multivote, I was following a guess I had. Before when the mods vote count was mistaken and someone pointed out the error he fixed it but reqested that they not ruin the surprises. Then I ran to the rules and reviewed them to realize that it didnt explicitly say only one vote per person. It was a gambit.
If Hyrams claim is true then I guess I will die next week. And you know what I feel my contribution has done plenty to help the town. I dont think dropping the hammer minus one and assuming someone else would come along and finish the job is a case against me. At worst its a watch and see moment.
arimnaes - misrepresents chamber in post 56, makes a weird post 138, defends Xyre roleplay, suggests Hyram has his kill directed at loran, Cyan, or Bertrand, doubts any relevant information can be learned from Xyre’s posts, makes a poor PBPA of loran in post 277, says serge needs to die, asks for responses on his PBPA, quotes Squiggler and says “Sure, but first we see if there's popular support. And if there is, we need to extract a claim first”, wants to direct Hyram kill with reasoning, contradicts lorans contradiction of his PBPA, continues pushing to test Hyrams ability, asks for a response to lorans defense of arimnaes PBPA, takes issue with my calling his logic bad
Bertrand – asks if Cyan is going after Xyre for his behavior, makes a generalization and calls Xyre lynch a “risky gambit”, says the “to my knowledge” bit from Xyre doesn’t make sense after SorryGuy says it, wants to test Xyre’s claim but finds the lynch the mod idea ridiculus, believes Hyram’s claim and questions his alignment, reaffirms that Xyre the and Xyre the player cant coexist
Carrion_Pigeons – not in favor of mod lynching day one, wants SorryGuy to explain multivote, asks Xyre to explain his presence, calls Xyre lynching WIFOM, questions Cyan, also disagrees with information from Xyre lynch, states if Xyre was a normal player then he wouldn’t be lynched yet, becomes baffled at Xyre’s claim, doesn’t believe Xyre’s claim, wants to pressure for real claim, finds Hyram’s last post awful, says everyone needs to chime in so they do not miss actions if we lynch Hyram, questions Xyre’s motives between player and Mod, doesn’t see change in Hyram’s claim tone, reviews arim vs loran but favors loran, wants claim out of serge
Chimpanzee – admits quick skim of Hyram’s posts so doesn’t find him scummy, FoS serge because “is worded like he either knew he was ending the day or expected the day to end very soon”, anti mod lynching, claims my hammer vote was an attempt at mass roleblocking, cryptic claim
Creampuffeater – wants to lynch mod, says Cubus is dead, unvotes Xyre and says we should stop voting the mod and doesn’t want the mod to claim, next post says in favor of extracting claim from mod, compares Xyre lynch to a mass claim, votes Cyan
Cubus – stops playing dead, votes Cyan, and FoS everyone else voting Xyre, says he played dead to get reactions, says we need to hear from everyone but defends his fake dead wasn’t lurking, suspects Hyram of being SK, advises players to ignore Xyre and votes Hyram, defends his fake dead idea as generating discussion, says he wanted reaction about a night zero kill or daykiller
Cyan – wants to lynch mod because he can, mentions post 37 by Stormblind worth noting, first to become suspicious of Hyram, believes Xyre to be scum, thinks Xyre being a mod should be ignored, votes Ged for his decision to switch topics of discussion, feels like Hyram tried taking advantage of a situation and failed, cubus faking dead to avoid participation doesn’t sit right with him, Cyan kinda gloats, states he thinks Xyre is lying, asks Xyre to stop posting, doesn’t believe case against loran, doesn’t believe DYH is playing through Xyre, agrees with loran that Cubus misrepresented himself as dead, unvotes Hyram because of his own role, confronts cubus, “I'm pretty sure that I get exactly what serge is trying to say”
Dagger – possibly misread my posts, interesting thought on Cubus being neutral not in the way he suggested, has reason for speaking in third person (post 42), admits post restriction (post 47), wants to figure out things about Cubus, against lynching mod, states he doesn’t think cubus is dead, debates with Cyan over Xyre lynching and if mod can really be a player, finds Xyre claim ridiculous, favors Hyram lynch, wants not to use his daykill, not convinced by arimnaes PBPA of loran, suspicious of serge and figures Cubus is nuetral
Disrupt_Your_Hymn – most likely playing through Xyre
Fayul – disagrees with Cyan on lynch the mod, disagrees with Bertrand on Xyre claim speculation, asks why more pressure isn’t on Cyan for his lynch the mod idea, annoyed with color of font by serge, votes Hyram based on his constant deflections
Ged – inquires about Swinkee’s post style, keeps vote on getting hammered, agrees with Cyan and points out ridiculousness of Xyre’s posts, unvotes and wants to think about Xyre’s claim later, tries to stimulate conversation, suggests it could be Disrupt your Hymn posting through Xyre but thinks it could be too ridiculous, convinced by arimnaes PBPA of loran, votes Chimpanzee
Hyram – becomes suspicious of Cyan, votes cookies and calls Cyan a “dead horse beater”, diverts attention in multiple directions, FoS on Squiggle and votes Cubus, delayed vig claim, votes DYH, barns off SG, “Saying your post isn't a hammer, when it looks like it, and acts like it, is lying.”
Jobie – wants Xyre to claim, votes Hyram and asks for claim
LookingforReality – jumps off lynch the mod bandwagon, asks for explanation on Xyre bandwagon, votes Hyram for his chance to exploit Cyan, also believes arimnaes PBPA of loran [gets replaced]
Loran16 – makes a joke post late into action, later thinks about lynching mod, votes then wants to know how much more to lynch mod, votes cubus for faking dead, wants reason from arimnaes and calls his logic on vigging bad, refutes Lorans arguments on Cubus, contradicts arimnaes PBPA of himself and calls it misrepresentation, believes someone else could be posting through Xyre, contradicts arimnaes vig logic, continues discussion with arimnaes over PBPA
SorryGuy – demonstrates mulitvote, not in favor of lynching mod without evidence, thinks Xyre is so scummy its hard to believe and calls it a point in his favor, double votes Xyre after is claim to keep pressure, states not taking a position and waiting to agree with prevailing idea is not protown behavior, replies to my question at Hyram, views Hyrams ability as more SK than anything, not suspicious of Cubus, says we should ignore Xyre, requests prod on DYH, votes DYH and concludes DYH is posting through Xyre, still doesn’t find cubus scummy, finds serge scummy, analyzes serge’s posts, defends Cubus some, continues pursuing serge, asks that no-one cast a lynch yet
Squiggler – wants to ignore Xyre, votes loran for terrible reason to vote cubus, wants loran dead and to test Hyram
Stormblind – votes Cubus for being Undead, prods Cubus again, states befuddlement, remembers SinCity mafia and proposes someone else is posting through Xyre, thinks hammer vote could hamper abilities
Swinkee – mentions “we might not want to lynch the mod”, puts a single bold sentence in each post
WellofLostGnomes – curious to lynch dead man, believes SorryGuy is town with his multivote, happy with information learned and discussion generated by Xyre lynch suggestion, unvotes and wants game back to normal, thinks Xyre cant function as normal player, willing to give Hyram’s claim benefit of doubt, also feels clearing Hyram as vig doesn’t make him town, believes DYH posting through Xyre and asks Hyram not to fire, doesn’t like the feel of arimnaes last few posts and argues with his vig logic, says Cubus misleading the town as dead was scummy in post 339, agrees with serge about tone change he stated in post 365, says mass role blocking only works if townies haven’t figured out who they are targeting, votes Chimpanzee because mod said so
Wuffles II – vouches for Hyram’s ability, anti serge
WrathofDog – 7 post, against Xyre lynch after claim, says he hasn’t had a lot to say post 229, vote Hyram, believes Wuffles has info
Xyre – makes a few witty jokes about how people should play, calls Ged a sheep, claims his role, makes a pretty thorough players analysis, refuses prod on DYH, looks forward to arimnaes PBPA of loran
ZeDorkSlipuer – believes Cubus being dead, inquires about Swinkee and Dagger posting restriction, against mod lynch but in favor of pressuring him to claim, agrees with Cyan that mod being a player is mistake, wants Cyan to explain why mod lynch is good , disagrees with WoLG about info gain from Xyre lynch suggestion, unvotes and FoS Cyan, votes Cyan and asks for his reasons, thinks Xyre cant function as normal player, questions carrion pigeons on what role Xyre could be protecting, catches Hyram on his blatant lie, says Stormblind and Bertrand seems like good vig targets since they are avoiding certain topics post 248, testing vig ability not necessary since it isn’t a town tell, says “I point at you, and all of sudden Hyram starts existing ? Interesting.” In reference to stormblind, favors lynching Hyram without letting him kill, says Cubus playing dead wasn’t helpful to town and wants to know what kind of reactions he was expecting, questions Cubus’ motives again, questions serge on experience, FoS Dagger for putting words into serge’s mouth, states that serge knew discussion would continue during night
Mostly to Hyram but others as well, looking like a hammer vote and acting like a hammer vote is what I did but never did I call it the hammer. I was certainly expecting someone else to come along and finish the job. I realize it was a mistake because as Chimpanzee pointed out (and before I might add) I would be accused of preventing multiple players from submitting special abilities. I knew discussion would continue into night and frankly I would love to hear what Kenji the stranded player has to say.
I think Cubus' idea was a bad one because he could have simply stated that he was alive and participated in discussion with everyone else. Instead he played dead for two days and jumped in later. It did not generate helpful discussion at all. It created a distraction. It was a bad idea to generate discussion about a night zero kill or daykill when there was none and it only fogs more important things to be dealt with. FoS Cubus
After rereading, I thought Hyram was just a little scummy based on something minor I caught but man is this guy on the scumdar. I admit that only one or two other player have seen what I am talking about and wont use it to build my case but Hyram has been using awful logic to persuade townies and clouding issues when his logic fails switching to other subjects he feels he can win on.
Wrath of Dog, your name was randomly on my lurker list because your seven posts in the 431 made have all been one liner including one where you say you haven’t had anything to say.
I believe arimnaes has been exaggerating his case against loran. I reread his PBPA and it looks like he is twisting a lot of lorans words and actions. I find terrible stretching of the truth to be a scum tell. FoS arimnaes
Currently I find Hyram and arimnaes be the top of my scum list and about seven to nine players lurking or baffled to the point of paralysis.
One final point and I hope it is fresh. We as the town may have a bigger problem than we realize. First I suspect two scum groups (three players each) or a large one (five players plus lone serial killer). That wouldn’t be so bad if this was a normal game but since there is no night phase, players that are allowed to communicate can do so at anytime. The scum are in constant communication with each other. Their flow of information is just as fast as the towns’ is. I have an issue with that. I think we need to start lynching some players even if I end up one of them.
On a lynch we gain at least one players alignment. With that we can review who that player defended and who that player went after. All this logic is great but I want to start connecting alignments to some arguments. I suspect almost everybody has a power role in some form or another. I want everyone to at least think about who they are going to target and send it in when we get close to a lynch.
As for the formatting of my posts regarding color tags and the what not, I am sorry. I have been copying and pasting my responses from Microsoft Word. Some of the text didnt show properly so I changed the color to black not realizing there was a difference between black and default.
I am still finishing up but I am checking in. Two new players mid game. Their current opinions set of to the side for a mintue (I will be coming back to Wuffles and Chimpanzee), I find the idea of adding to players mid game coupled with the demonstrated oddities on top of information gained from my perosnal role to be crazy. unvote Discussion may continue but I did not take into scope that there are a whole bunch of super powered players running around.
I will be posting the notes I make with my analysis.
EBWODP: I made a mistake. Period. I dropped what I thought was the -1 vote. At the same time Ged unvoted. The only reason this is scummy is because it may have stopped players from submitting night actions. Discussion continues during the night. I for one am curious to see how are night posting players are following the game.
I am still on page 14 of this thread. Thats just in note making. If anyone want to see the notes Ive made then I will publically display them but it will take until tomorrow afternoon to make intelligent thought out of them.
OK Give me a few hours to make a deeper and more accurate analysis of the game with better stated opinions. But I do want to say two things.
1) OK trying to look like a townie is a bad play, being a townie that presents facts and solid logic is more helpful to win
2) I consider myself to be moderately versed at mafia, I would think I am better than newb but by no means an expert. I have played a total of four games online but I learned pretty fast.I enjoy speciality games much more and havent had trouble keeping up with the game.
A more detailed analysis of current ongoings in the game coming with two to three hours. I want to make sure I research this next post very well.
Well I am not really making progress here now am I?
Since I am not making any detectable progress with my opinion on Hyram's claim, I will stop mentioning it. I consider myself defeated on that point.
The list I made is very arbitrary and a bit rushed. Most of it was a little guess work on my part. I believe myself to have great intuition but frail investigative skills.
To be specific, here is everything I am willing to share:
- Hyram is trying to divert attention in any direction he can (should be visible in many of his posts) - arimnaes is using bad logic almost every post I see (I side with loran on this one) - WellOfLostGnomes is playing a fairly good townsperson (has been better at verbalizing opinions) - SorryGuy is trying to stop me from making anti-town mistakes (I don’t think he thinks I am scum but wants better answers from me) - Cyan was being paranoid but is now hunting scum better (obvious) - WrathofDog hasn’t even really been contributing (his last post was many pages back) - Cubus had and executed a bad idea (I don’t like the “B’ah Go town” post”) - the rest of the town is lurking for the most part waiting for the dust to clear (only eight to ten people have been active in the last seven pages)
Well I will say that while many are suspicious of me, I am going to respond to SorryGuy the most. For two reasons, one he was very specific and, two I believe him to be acting in the towns best interest. Others are casting doubt on me (I am looking at you Hyram) just to be a distraction.
I am taking a very political approach this game. I want to try and be approved by the pro town players. Now is see where you are coming from and in retrospect, taking an agreed upon stance is pretty lazy.
Now in my next post I had no intent what so ever of having testing Hyrams ability. Even if he had a day kill ability, I dont want him using it.
In that same post, we seem to have differing opinions. You asked for clarification but I felt he had already given us all he could from his claim. I gave him multiple times to say something like, "I asked the mod to define my ability better." Hyram did not, he just stated that he was answering your question. It is fine for him to answer you but I detect a rapid change in tone between Hyram's two posts.
When I cast the not-lynching vote, I felt I had already given Hyram plenty of time to respond. Asking again was merely a formality to me and I felt better answers would be served with his lynch.
I do want to look like town so the scum stand out.
That is my order going from most townie on top to least townie on bottom. All of this my opinion based on contribution, posting style, and my personal views. I am awaiting further discussion.
The second ability of That Which was Taken exists independantly of the first. So any permanent no matter how or why it got a divinity counter is indestructable. It doesnt matter if it is or isnt still a creature.
I am willing to accept a major amount of suspicion for almost ending the day. I was under the impression that discussion had almost ended. I also believe that I did not drop the hammer vote even if Ged did not not simul-post with an unvote. The vote count (see the vote count here) was at 11 including Ged needing 13 to lynch when I checked. I voted putting Hyram at one minus lynch here.
I am fine that you find me more kill worthy than loran right now. Its early and there is a big town. I am sure more information will be able to clear myself eventually.
As for arimnaes. I have seen him make generalizations and pass them off as fact. I believe he has intentionally been misleading the town.
Furthermore, I think Cubus’s pretend to be dead behavior wasn’t protown at all. If anything, by posting that he is not dead but in a separate category of players would have generated more discussion. I do think he is acting more protown with better thought out ideas and active participation.
In summary, FoS: Hyram and arimnaes and I am willing to lynch one of them by the end of this game day.
I believe we have new discussion and that means we should postpone a lynch until all avenues can be pursued.
First and I may be asking the obvious but since it involves myself I take a high amount of interest in this:
Cubus why do you think Hyram should shoot me?
Do you believe Hyram's claim?
Have I been scummy enough to warrant an auto day kill?
Next on my list, I do not like the way arimnaes has been posting. I find his logic flawed and I feel loran has defended against arimnaes intelligentently. I do not like arimnaes anti-town behavior.
Finally, I will be more careful next time to allow all players to send in night action before getting a lynch scene.
I am a major power role. During the day I am a cop and at night I am a vig. I get the results the after each day lynch scene. I sent in a request for Cyan early game because I was wondering about his alignment.
I highly question my sanity in this game as a cop since there are so many differences in this game from a noraml. I would guess that there may be more cops since my role is powerful.
As for the multivote, I was following a guess I had. Before when the mods vote count was mistaken and someone pointed out the error he fixed it but reqested that they not ruin the surprises. Then I ran to the rules and reviewed them to realize that it didnt explicitly say only one vote per person. It was a gambit.
If Hyrams claim is true then I guess I will die next week. And you know what I feel my contribution has done plenty to help the town. I dont think dropping the hammer minus one and assuming someone else would come along and finish the job is a case against me. At worst its a watch and see moment.
unvote
vote Chimpanzee
I want to see what comes of this special lynch.
vote Hyram
vote Hyram
vote Hyram
vote Hyram
vote Hyram
Mostly to Hyram but others as well, looking like a hammer vote and acting like a hammer vote is what I did but never did I call it the hammer. I was certainly expecting someone else to come along and finish the job. I realize it was a mistake because as Chimpanzee pointed out (and before I might add) I would be accused of preventing multiple players from submitting special abilities. I knew discussion would continue into night and frankly I would love to hear what Kenji the stranded player has to say.
I think Cubus' idea was a bad one because he could have simply stated that he was alive and participated in discussion with everyone else. Instead he played dead for two days and jumped in later. It did not generate helpful discussion at all. It created a distraction. It was a bad idea to generate discussion about a night zero kill or daykill when there was none and it only fogs more important things to be dealt with. FoS Cubus
After rereading, I thought Hyram was just a little scummy based on something minor I caught but man is this guy on the scumdar. I admit that only one or two other player have seen what I am talking about and wont use it to build my case but Hyram has been using awful logic to persuade townies and clouding issues when his logic fails switching to other subjects he feels he can win on.
Wrath of Dog, your name was randomly on my lurker list because your seven posts in the 431 made have all been one liner including one where you say you haven’t had anything to say.
I believe arimnaes has been exaggerating his case against loran. I reread his PBPA and it looks like he is twisting a lot of lorans words and actions. I find terrible stretching of the truth to be a scum tell. FoS arimnaes
Currently I find Hyram and arimnaes be the top of my scum list and about seven to nine players lurking or baffled to the point of paralysis.
One final point and I hope it is fresh. We as the town may have a bigger problem than we realize. First I suspect two scum groups (three players each) or a large one (five players plus lone serial killer). That wouldn’t be so bad if this was a normal game but since there is no night phase, players that are allowed to communicate can do so at anytime. The scum are in constant communication with each other. Their flow of information is just as fast as the towns’ is. I have an issue with that. I think we need to start lynching some players even if I end up one of them.
On a lynch we gain at least one players alignment. With that we can review who that player defended and who that player went after. All this logic is great but I want to start connecting alignments to some arguments. I suspect almost everybody has a power role in some form or another. I want everyone to at least think about who they are going to target and send it in when we get close to a lynch.
As for the formatting of my posts regarding color tags and the what not, I am sorry. I have been copying and pasting my responses from Microsoft Word. Some of the text didnt show properly so I changed the color to black not realizing there was a difference between black and default.
vote Cyan
Why? Because I am just passing through right now.
I will be posting the notes I make with my analysis.
Hyram, you are making a bad scum play of attacking the weakest arguement against you in hopes of overcoming the strongest ones.
1) OK trying to look like a townie is a bad play, being a townie that presents facts and solid logic is more helpful to win
2) I consider myself to be moderately versed at mafia, I would think I am better than newb but by no means an expert. I have played a total of four games online but I learned pretty fast.I enjoy speciality games much more and havent had trouble keeping up with the game.
A more detailed analysis of current ongoings in the game coming with two to three hours. I want to make sure I research this next post very well.
Since I am not making any detectable progress with my opinion on Hyram's claim, I will stop mentioning it. I consider myself defeated on that point.
The list I made is very arbitrary and a bit rushed. Most of it was a little guess work on my part. I believe myself to have great intuition but frail investigative skills.
To be specific, here is everything I am willing to share:
- Hyram is trying to divert attention in any direction he can (should be visible in many of his posts)
- arimnaes is using bad logic almost every post I see (I side with loran on this one)
- WellOfLostGnomes is playing a fairly good townsperson (has been better at verbalizing opinions)
- SorryGuy is trying to stop me from making anti-town mistakes (I don’t think he thinks I am scum but wants better answers from me)
- Cyan was being paranoid but is now hunting scum better (obvious)
- WrathofDog hasn’t even really been contributing (his last post was many pages back)
- Cubus had and executed a bad idea (I don’t like the “B’ah Go town” post”)
- the rest of the town is lurking for the most part waiting for the dust to clear (only eight to ten people have been active in the last seven pages)
That’s the way I see it.
I am taking a very political approach this game. I want to try and be approved by the pro town players. Now is see where you are coming from and in retrospect, taking an agreed upon stance is pretty lazy.
Now in my next post I had no intent what so ever of having testing Hyrams ability. Even if he had a day kill ability, I dont want him using it.
In that same post, we seem to have differing opinions. You asked for clarification but I felt he had already given us all he could from his claim. I gave him multiple times to say something like, "I asked the mod to define my ability better." Hyram did not, he just stated that he was answering your question. It is fine for him to answer you but I detect a rapid change in tone between Hyram's two posts.
When I cast the not-lynching vote, I felt I had already given Hyram plenty of time to respond. Asking again was merely a formality to me and I felt better answers would be served with his lynch.
I do want to look like town so the scum stand out.
vote: Hyram
-- Townie --
WellOfLostGnomes
Cyan
SorryGuy
Ged
carrion_pigeons
Xyre
ZeDorkSlipeur
serge
Jobie
Swinkee
LookingforReality
Squiggler
loarn16
Bertrand
Cubus
Fayul
stormblind
creampuffeater
Dagger
Disrupt_Your_Hymn
Wrath of Dog
arimnaes
Hyram
-- Scum --
That is my order going from most townie on top to least townie on bottom. All of this my opinion based on contribution, posting style, and my personal views. I am awaiting further discussion.
I am willing to accept a major amount of suspicion for almost ending the day. I was under the impression that discussion had almost ended. I also believe that I did not drop the hammer vote even if Ged did not not simul-post with an unvote. The vote count (see the vote count here) was at 11 including Ged needing 13 to lynch when I checked. I voted putting Hyram at one minus lynch here.
I am fine that you find me more kill worthy than loran right now. Its early and there is a big town. I am sure more information will be able to clear myself eventually.
As for arimnaes. I have seen him make generalizations and pass them off as fact. I believe he has intentionally been misleading the town.
Furthermore, I think Cubus’s pretend to be dead behavior wasn’t protown at all. If anything, by posting that he is not dead but in a separate category of players would have generated more discussion. I do think he is acting more protown with better thought out ideas and active participation.
In summary, FoS: Hyram and arimnaes and I am willing to lynch one of them by the end of this game day.
First and I may be asking the obvious but since it involves myself I take a high amount of interest in this:
Cubus why do you think Hyram should shoot me?
Do you believe Hyram's claim?
Have I been scummy enough to warrant an auto day kill?
Next on my list, I do not like the way arimnaes has been posting. I find his logic flawed and I feel loran has defended against arimnaes intelligentently. I do not like arimnaes anti-town behavior.
Finally, I will be more careful next time to allow all players to send in night action before getting a lynch scene.