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As for the relatively low premium for a foil Eternal Masters Mana Crypt:
Masters packs have a foil in every one, so that might depress foil prices generally.
On a card expensive even in nonfoil is there less room for growth?
Value looks fairly even, swapped extras for cards I wanted for decks, but am I missing something here?
Bomat Courier and Soul-Scar Mage are looking good in Standard right now, at least for the next few months. However, I really like the foil Daredevil. That's a card that will only get better as more cards get printed and definitely has Modern potential. Not sure I'd trade for the Khenra now, but if you have a Standard deck that wants it, then go for it. If the Chandra is extra, you could do a lot worse.
I'd probably pick Pile A here. Pile B is the third-best foil of Mana Crypt. It's nice, but it's not really that nice. Another printing of Mana Crypt will hurt it. Meanwhile, you've got $40 cash and JTMS which can be easily flipped for cash at an event. I like the cash option.
Thanks seems the foils in EMA is not much higher than regular ones. Why is that ?
Like I said, it's the third-best foil, and I'd personally rank it below the original printing. Foils have value because people want to show off something cool, and if a foil isn't cool or desirable, the foil multiplier won't be very high. This version is significantly less cool than the MPS or the Judge foil.
The other issue is that there just aren't too many copies of Mana Crypt out there, and it goes in pretty much every serious EDH deck. So a lot of people are buying these not because they want a foil, but just because they want a copy, any copy. That puts more pressure on the price of nonfois. If - excuse me, WHEN - Mana Crypt gets a reprint, a lot of people will say "Hey, I bet I can trade my foil Crypt for two regular ones", thus putting a lot more copies on the market and depressing the price of even the foils. It happened with the Judge foils when EMA came out, although they eventually bounced back pretty well. But personally, I don't feel like the coefficient of restitution for this version is as high.
I'd probably pick Pile A here. Pile B is the third-best foil of Mana Crypt. It's nice, but it's not really that nice. Another printing of Mana Crypt will hurt it. Meanwhile, you've got $40 cash and JTMS which can be easily flipped for cash at an event. I like the cash option.
Well, to be fair Secure the Wastes is one of the most efficient token makers ever printed and it's pretty decent to begin with. It was probably overdue for a correction. Pretty much same deal w/Nature's Will--card was always very strong; folks just forgot about it. It suffers from a much smaller supply though, so the effect was a bit more pronounced.
Stonehoof Chieftain seems pretty ignorable to me though. With very few exceptions, 8-mana cards aren't where I would put my money. I don't see how a spike doesn't come right back down.
All of them are related to Najeela, the Blade-Blossom, who is apparently ridiculously popular. A card that makes Warriors, a combo piece that lets you untap lots of lands and go infinite with Najeela, and a big fat Warrior that protects your other Warriors.
I gave up on dinosaurs after realizing it just falls apart to control and I have UW auras deck that I won a pptq with that I will use for the rptq.
This looks more like a humble brag post than a trade. As far as long term value goes this is a no brainer on which one I would prefer to have. In 18 months this will be the equivalent of trading $130 or $140 (mostly store credit - not cash) for an MP trop.
Even now that seems like a steal. TCG mid on the cards you traded in is about $100, $220 even if you value the store credit as much as cash. Trop listings on TCG start at nearly $300. Maybe the store owner wanted to unload some slow moving inventory?[/quote]
I looked up the buylist values back in April, and assuming that his local store gave him TCGBuylist in credit it was about even with prices for MP Trops. That's mostly why it didn't get smacked down as a brag post.
I have more than enough Chandras for Standard mono red aggro, so I wanted to move my extras before rotation. I wanted the foils for my collection binder; dual land variants like Botanical Sanctum seem fairly stable and the other two are cheap cards to begin with. Grothama was a card I didn't have yet for my Battlebond set.
I think I'd probably try to get a little more - Grothama, Lannery, and Kari are pretty much $1ish throw-ins. I do like getting into foil Botanical Sanctum, but Chandra's more than just a Standard role-player. Sanctum is going to $9 at market, but LP copies are available all day at $7. I'd probably want two foil Sanctums for my Chandra.
Keep in mind, I just pulled a foil 7th Edition [Ensnaring Bridge] (wow!) in a pack yesterday, so that incentivizes me to build the set more because I feel like I can't find the card anywhere.
Completing the set because of the coolness factor and the fact that you have one of the nicer cards from it already is very different than deciding to complete it because it's a good investment.
As the owner of a TCGPlayer store, I can promise you we all aren't alike. =) But for some stores it is mostly honest mistakes - they just aren't keeping track of exact sets very well. Note you can immediately reach out to a seller after a purchase, and the store front makes it really hard to not check messages before filling orders, so if you reach out to make sure they confirm exact set, you can hopefully avoid some refund/return delays.
On inventory issues, it again sometimes happens when a retail store lists the same card online, and if they aren't matching up online inventory with retail sales diligently, this can happen - they discover they are missing a card only when someone buys it from their online store.
Look for ratings and feedback on sellers - this will spot sellers than are closely monitoring their online inventory, card conditions, shipping cards on time, etc.
Oh, I'm definitely not blaming all TCGp sellers, and honestly with the volume that I've been ordering lately (I friggin' LOVE Dominaria), it would probably be more surprising if there were no mistakes.
I think that you're missing my point. Your plan as outlined was to buy ALL of 7th edition. That means that you're paying for the WOGs, the BOPs, the Cities, and all the other cards that are already expensive. Certainly some cards (like ... Vizzerdrix - WTF?) will go up. But the best gain that I'm seeing is Final Fortune going up $8. That's a TERRIBLE return overall, plus you need to be sure that the demand is real and not some other guy who had the same idea and is now going to sit on HIS set of 7E foil rares until he can manage to sell them at a profit. Don't be that guy.
[[KnickM]], so what's your thoughts on 7th edition foil rare set?
If you want a 7th Edition foil set (I'd go for the full set, because that gets you some of the cooler C/U cards like Goblin Matron and Llanowar Elves), go for it. It's certainly got coolness factor, and the OG core set foils won't be going down any time soon. As an investment vehicle, however, I think that it's a really bad idea. You're sinking a LOT of money into it and very little has the potential for growth. Your best case scenario is that another Goblin Lore happens, in which case why not just go looking for weird cards that could be engines?
I like the judge bolts myself as well (surprise surprise, me agreeing with Seal again). OG pack foil fetchlands are probably where it's at in terms of "best" version - the ONS are definitely the top choice, ZEN are lagging a bit behind expos for now. Unless you've got some Alphas, judge foil Bolt is never going to be surpassed.
Textless would like a word with you.
I remember when these weren't that expensive. Well, for me back then what they were going for was expensive, but that's nothing compared to now.
Textless can have as many words as they'd like - oh wait, they're textless so they haven't got any words. Judge promo with OG art and border will remain my pick.
So, that brings up the issue that yes, different people prefer different things. I'm sure that some people prefer the judge promo fetches, and the new Flooded Strand looks sweet, I can't deny that. So despite what we've all said about judge bolts vs blue fetch expos, we are not the final authority.
That said, judge bolts are buylisting for over $150, and there's only one listing on TCGp (for $800, clearly a reach), so that playset of yours is pretty irreplaceable. If you do decide to go for it, create a TCGp or eBay seller account and offer them for $500 a pop. Don't bother buylisting to a store.
One other idea I had for investment was to get a foil copy of all 110 rares in 7th edition. The logic is that 7th edition is probably the best post-revised core set in terms of rarity and desirability, and although many of the foils already are very expensive and it’s not the only foil printing for most, I think there’s still room for some profit to be made in the future. What are your (or others’) thoughts on that as a possible investment?
I gotta agree with what's already been stated in this thread - don't paint broad categories (like Judge foils), go for specifics. I tend to sit on my judge foils, and that's worked well for some but definitely not for all of them. I'd give some examples, but Digitek has done a better job already.
I know that it's an absurdly bad card, but I think that my favorite card is still Gabriel Angelfire. I remember when I first got one for my GW deck, before it was reprinted in Chronicles. I had a choice - for $17 I could get either Gabriel or the Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale. I was advised by the store owner to get the Tabernacle, and I kind of wish I'd followed that advice now, but I bought Gabriel and shuffled him into my 65 (60 card deck? What's that?). I don't know that I drew him in more than a handful of games, but I really liked playing with a Legend.
Bomat Courier and Soul-Scar Mage are looking good in Standard right now, at least for the next few months. However, I really like the foil Daredevil. That's a card that will only get better as more cards get printed and definitely has Modern potential. Not sure I'd trade for the Khenra now, but if you have a Standard deck that wants it, then go for it. If the Chandra is extra, you could do a lot worse.
Like I said, it's the third-best foil, and I'd personally rank it below the original printing. Foils have value because people want to show off something cool, and if a foil isn't cool or desirable, the foil multiplier won't be very high. This version is significantly less cool than the MPS or the Judge foil.
The other issue is that there just aren't too many copies of Mana Crypt out there, and it goes in pretty much every serious EDH deck. So a lot of people are buying these not because they want a foil, but just because they want a copy, any copy. That puts more pressure on the price of nonfois. If - excuse me, WHEN - Mana Crypt gets a reprint, a lot of people will say "Hey, I bet I can trade my foil Crypt for two regular ones", thus putting a lot more copies on the market and depressing the price of even the foils. It happened with the Judge foils when EMA came out, although they eventually bounced back pretty well. But personally, I don't feel like the coefficient of restitution for this version is as high.
I'd probably pick Pile A here. Pile B is the third-best foil of Mana Crypt. It's nice, but it's not really that nice. Another printing of Mana Crypt will hurt it. Meanwhile, you've got $40 cash and JTMS which can be easily flipped for cash at an event. I like the cash option.
All of them are related to Najeela, the Blade-Blossom, who is apparently ridiculously popular. A card that makes Warriors, a combo piece that lets you untap lots of lands and go infinite with Najeela, and a big fat Warrior that protects your other Warriors.
Depends on the severity and depth of the crimp. As always in this thread, pictures are VERY helpful.
Even now that seems like a steal. TCG mid on the cards you traded in is about $100, $220 even if you value the store credit as much as cash. Trop listings on TCG start at nearly $300. Maybe the store owner wanted to unload some slow moving inventory?[/quote]
I looked up the buylist values back in April, and assuming that his local store gave him TCGBuylist in credit it was about even with prices for MP Trops. That's mostly why it didn't get smacked down as a brag post.
I think I'd probably try to get a little more - Grothama, Lannery, and Kari are pretty much $1ish throw-ins. I do like getting into foil Botanical Sanctum, but Chandra's more than just a Standard role-player. Sanctum is going to $9 at market, but LP copies are available all day at $7. I'd probably want two foil Sanctums for my Chandra.
Completing the set because of the coolness factor and the fact that you have one of the nicer cards from it already is very different than deciding to complete it because it's a good investment.
Oh, I'm definitely not blaming all TCGp sellers, and honestly with the volume that I've been ordering lately (I friggin' LOVE Dominaria), it would probably be more surprising if there were no mistakes.
I think that you're missing my point. Your plan as outlined was to buy ALL of 7th edition. That means that you're paying for the WOGs, the BOPs, the Cities, and all the other cards that are already expensive. Certainly some cards (like ... Vizzerdrix - WTF?) will go up. But the best gain that I'm seeing is Final Fortune going up $8. That's a TERRIBLE return overall, plus you need to be sure that the demand is real and not some other guy who had the same idea and is now going to sit on HIS set of 7E foil rares until he can manage to sell them at a profit. Don't be that guy.
If you want a 7th Edition foil set (I'd go for the full set, because that gets you some of the cooler C/U cards like Goblin Matron and Llanowar Elves), go for it. It's certainly got coolness factor, and the OG core set foils won't be going down any time soon. As an investment vehicle, however, I think that it's a really bad idea. You're sinking a LOT of money into it and very little has the potential for growth. Your best case scenario is that another Goblin Lore happens, in which case why not just go looking for weird cards that could be engines?
So, that brings up the issue that yes, different people prefer different things. I'm sure that some people prefer the judge promo fetches, and the new Flooded Strand looks sweet, I can't deny that. So despite what we've all said about judge bolts vs blue fetch expos, we are not the final authority.
That said, judge bolts are buylisting for over $150, and there's only one listing on TCGp (for $800, clearly a reach), so that playset of yours is pretty irreplaceable. If you do decide to go for it, create a TCGp or eBay seller account and offer them for $500 a pop. Don't bother buylisting to a store.
I gotta agree with what's already been stated in this thread - don't paint broad categories (like Judge foils), go for specifics. I tend to sit on my judge foils, and that's worked well for some but definitely not for all of them. I'd give some examples, but Digitek has done a better job already.