@KK – why ignore my posts? I wasn't on your radar until I was pressuring you.
Your final post (where you announce you're going to bed) doesn't make any sense. You say you were disbelieving my meta read of Void with the one game as evidence, but you had just said you weren't trying to disprove my read of Void with the game. You also quote where I ask you what you meant by bringing up the point if not to try to prove my meta read wrong, and accuse me of playing dumb in my confusion when you've just said two conflicting statements. Maybe you can shed light on this.
You can re-read the posts, quote them, & break them down. We've already seen your 'confusion' against a straightforward post of mine (the one where I voted Void).
Nice stonewall. Who exactly are you talking about here?
Thanks. All the players, including you, who want me to claim when they also want to lynch Void. Not sure who is who yet, but there was scum trying to push the town into helping them, I'm sure of it.
Players are not allowed to have more than one scumspect?
& you didn't explain who the newb-town being led are.
Active members, it would seem so (sXe has bailed for good, I vaguely recall – he's active on fecesbuk).
I wonder how our overall ratio looks. . .
. . .this strikes me as a fun exercise to distract me from homework
First we'll need an all-time members list. . .
/cribbed from the wiki
Daggertooth – local
rianalnn – admin
RUBRDUX
sXe
Yukora – admin
CharlieD – local
votan – admin
LuckNorris – local
HKKID – local
InfinityCubed
urzassedatives – admin
'lil akroma
Alex+ – global
Belgareth – admin
Binary Dragon
Crazed Mike – local
Laika – local
rancored_elf – admin
Sakabatou – admin
Shalafi's Girl
Sterling Angel
Tawnos
Zigathon
Cyan
Diggy
The Fallen One
kpaca – local
Talore – local
Clock King – global
jonnyjonski
I need to re-read to be sure but in CCMVI, I remember Void's townie play being lurky & distracting – basically what you just described as his scum meta.
This is me looking into Void's meta & seeing it null out what you are saying.
Exactly what
I said on the topic of me/Teia. You've been on the thread, but saying as little as possible on the subject except when you think you have something you can snipe me with. When I asked for your opinion you said you wanted to wait until more people had weighed in, but now you've voted me while never touching the case.
[402] You like Void's post about Teia's read flip flop while undermining Wheat. You only thumbs up the post, there is no way in context to tell that you agree with only part of the post. You also put forward BV as a scumspect, saying you can't decide who to vote. . . so you vote neither. I can't see why you wouldn't want to put pressure on Teia here (BV had V/LA'd, & Void had just voted Teia).
[413] You ignore Void & Teia's posts in favour of picking at kaburi's THIS IS NOT ME CALLING YOU SCUM VOID post & giving lukewarm lip service to collecting more evidence on BV, giving yourself until he comes back to do it. This reads like you've presupposed the conclusion; 'this guy is scum, I'll figure out why later'. kaburi specifically points out that he does not think Teia is maligning Wheat in [387]. You do not comment.
[439] Accused by Moms of the same maligning-without-committing Void accused Teia of (that you barned), you say your question was fair & not trying to push without commenting, but neglect to support this statement. You also say you "more liked it that [Void] found some evidence" – this neatly sidesteps Moms' question of "If you liked his Teia case so much, why didn't you vote her?". This would be a reasonable place for you to say you felt Void's point about Teia/Iso was weak, but you do not.
[442] Teia has asked your opinion of the counterarguments & you dismiss them as wordy & beyond your ability to "slog through" (note that you say you re-read my post repeatedly to no avail). You suggest that's ok because "Void has never been known for strong cases or perfect logic". You also state that you "find little reason" to analyze Void because he's chasing your scum reads.
[444] Teia has recapped her argument in five points, which you dismiss as just being bad at arguing, even though she says while that is a possibility, she sees scummy motive behind Void's behaviour.
[446] Teia has asked you to address Void's motive, but you do not.
[448] Laughing & accusing Teia of ignoring large swaths of your case, when you yourself have just ignored the heart of Teia's push on Void. Teia has again asked you to address Void's motive but you again focus on the bad argument rather than the motivation behind it.
[450] After Teia breaks it down for you – "it's the same thing Void's doing: You're so absolutely convinced of your conclusion that you won't entertain thoughts to the contrary. That's not townie behaviour, because Mafia's ultimately a game about the informed minority (scum) versus the uninformed majority (town)" – you say "You haven't given me anything to think about on the contrary since I laid the case on you." Teia asked you to examine Void's /motivation/ prior to you casing her.
[460] I try to establish what is confusing you about my post re: Void & your reply is "Oh, for some reason I never read the posts you quoted with the rest of your post. I don't know how I made such a stupid mistake but the post makes sense now." KK confirmed for not reading?
At this point in the thread my notes have you obfuscating, antagonizing, strawmanning & tunnelling, & that isn't even going into our subsequent interactions or what I see from Day 1 that continues on into toDay. . . & it's 3am (yay x_x).
Eh, setup speculation. I can't say I've seen a game like this. Maybe Islander Mafia, I'd have to dig it up. There are a lot of games in this sub I haven't read, though.
Void, do you have an ability in addition to your moves?
I said on the topic of me/Teia. You've been on the thread, but saying as little as possible on the subject except when you think you have something you can snipe me with. When I asked for your opinion you said you wanted to wait until more people had weighed in, but now you've voted me while never touching the case.
I am responding to this in a separate post because Epic.
Consider the conflict of interest in *you* putting this forward – 'player A (you) would almost never begin a bus wagon on player C (Void or Wheat)'. Somehow this self-serving rubbish is supposed to convince me Teia's behaviour is scummy.
BV
Please explain how calling yourself Town is scummy. Use examples of players stating so or proving that is scummy.
Everyone
To whomever said I was pushing a bad scum tell (or evidence or whatever was said about it) on GM for the “I’m Town" thing. I even stated I wasn’t sure how accurate it is. It’s the first time I AM testing too see if it may or may not be a good scum tell. I am not using this as supportive evidence or any kind of evidence against GM.
I hope this illustrates why that behaviour is scummy (& if anyone has more examples gimme gimme I collect them all).
Why are you answering for GM? Do you believe GM is not capable of answering the question? Also, you didn't even asnwer the question in the way I asked. Using cartoon stuff (where you can SEE THE OTHER PERSON?THING) is NOT a good comparison to use.
Whatever guy. It's been discussed umpteen times here & on GGery & Misetings. It is a known mafia meme in the circles I travel, if only because I post one of these images when it comes up.
I will dig up prior times it has come up when naptime rolls around.
I just noticed I get told off for answering for Moms. To me it looks like I was actually answering a question directed at BV.
What the ****. I have dumped a ton of time into this game toDay, I don't know where you get off calling my participation active lurking just because I'm not vomiting my notes into the thread for the non-participating kids to crib. Your WIFOM explanation of players A B & C boils down to 'it's not scummy unless it fits this shoe I've made for Teia specially'.
As for only voting when it's safe, you better back that up with some evidence Moms. I've been trying to get into KK's head this whole Day, & meeting with consistent bulldogging & WIFOM nonsense. I hadn't even seen Wheat's post when I voted.
I'm more than willing to lynch Void toDay, and I'm just as willing to lynch KK instead. They are almost certainly both scum together; their actions don't make sense if they aren't.
I can see where scum KK ties himself to terrible town Void for post-lynch points, but I also haven't seen a valid defense of Void except "meta", which isn't what I remember from Town Void in CCMVI or what I saw in the partial re-read of the middle of that game that I did yesterday.
BV
Please explain how calling yourself Town is scummy. Use examples of players stating so or proving that is scummy.
Everyone
To whomever said I was pushing a bad scum tell (or evidence or whatever was said about it) on GM for the “I’m Town" thing. I even stated I wasn’t sure how accurate it is. It’s the first time I AM testing too see if it may or may not be a good scum tell. I am not using this as supportive evidence or any kind of evidence against GM.
I hope this illustrates why that behaviour is scummy (& if anyone has more examples gimme gimme I collect them all).
Why are you answering for GM? Do you believe GM is not capable of answering the question? Also, you didn't even asnwer the question in the way I asked. Using cartoon stuff (where you can SEE THE OTHER PERSON?THING) is NOT a good comparison to use.
Whatever guy. It's been discussed umpteen times here & on GGery & Misetings. It is a known mafia meme in the circles I travel, if only because I post one of these images when it comes up.
I will dig up prior times it has come up when naptime rolls around.
So for the second time this game, you go after someone I started the case on while still calling me scum.
Get lynched.
Are you seriously suggesting that because player A calls player C scum, player B can't express suspicion of both player A & player C?
Oh, forgot this.
They can, except when its. "Player A is positive Player B is scum, but Player C, who Player B started the wagon on, is scummy at the same time."
Scum almost never begin bus wagons on their own, and this is the second time this game Teia's jumped on a wagon I started (not that she fully jumped on this time) without even addressing the fact that its unlikely we're both scum.
As with everything else she's been doing this game, she ignores everything that could possibly cast her in a negative light in hopes that it will just fade away.
BV
Please explain how calling yourself Town is scummy. Use examples of players stating so or proving that is scummy.
Everyone
To whomever said I was pushing a bad scum tell (or evidence or whatever was said about it) on GM for the “I’m Town" thing. I even stated I wasn’t sure how accurate it is. It’s the first time I AM testing too see if it may or may not be a good scum tell. I am not using this as supportive evidence or any kind of evidence against GM.
I hope this illustrates why that behaviour is scummy (& if anyone has more examples gimme gimme I collect them all).
Players are not allowed to have more than one scumspect?
& you didn't explain who the newb-town being led are.
@Moms – what do you mean, when? KK's whole read on Void until now has been 'he's terrible town/bad a arguing'. Claiming too, apparently
@KK – why ignore my posts? I wasn't on your radar until I was pressuring you.Nice stonewall. Who exactly are you talking about here?
I wonder how our overall ratio looks. . .
. . .this strikes me as a fun exercise to distract me from homework
First we'll need an all-time members list. . .
/cribbed from the wiki
Daggertooth – local
rianalnn – admin
RUBRDUX
sXe
Yukora – admin
CharlieD – local
votan – admin
LuckNorris – local
HKKID – local
InfinityCubed
urzassedatives – admin
'lil akroma
Alex+ – global
Belgareth – admin
Binary Dragon
Crazed Mike – local
Laika – local
rancored_elf – admin
Sakabatou – admin
Shalafi's Girl
Sterling Angel
Tawnos
Zigathon
Cyan
Diggy
The Fallen One
kpaca – local
Talore – local
Clock King – global
jonnyjonski
17 out of 30, not bad.
That was fun.
Dt, this one is for you!
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Congrats dude! Don't wait around for your co-workers to instruct you – take the Clan Council by the balls & show everyone how it's done
Exactly what suggests.
Your initial reply suggests to me that you understood where I was going with that (you are wrong about Void's meta), now you're playing dumb?
aaaaaand goodnight kids
[402] You like Void's post about Teia's read flip flop while undermining Wheat. You only thumbs up the post, there is no way in context to tell that you agree with only part of the post. You also put forward BV as a scumspect, saying you can't decide who to vote. . . so you vote neither. I can't see why you wouldn't want to put pressure on Teia here (BV had V/LA'd, & Void had just voted Teia).
[413] You ignore Void & Teia's posts in favour of picking at kaburi's THIS IS NOT ME CALLING YOU SCUM VOID post & giving lukewarm lip service to collecting more evidence on BV, giving yourself until he comes back to do it. This reads like you've presupposed the conclusion; 'this guy is scum, I'll figure out why later'. kaburi specifically points out that he does not think Teia is maligning Wheat in [387]. You do not comment.
[439] Accused by Moms of the same maligning-without-committing Void accused Teia of (that you barned), you say your question was fair & not trying to push without commenting, but neglect to support this statement. You also say you "more liked it that [Void] found some evidence" – this neatly sidesteps Moms' question of "If you liked his Teia case so much, why didn't you vote her?". This would be a reasonable place for you to say you felt Void's point about Teia/Iso was weak, but you do not.
[442] Teia has asked your opinion of the counterarguments & you dismiss them as wordy & beyond your ability to "slog through" (note that you say you re-read my post repeatedly to no avail). You suggest that's ok because "Void has never been known for strong cases or perfect logic". You also state that you "find little reason" to analyze Void because he's chasing your scum reads.
[444] Teia has recapped her argument in five points, which you dismiss as just being bad at arguing, even though she says while that is a possibility, she sees scummy motive behind Void's behaviour.
[446] Teia has asked you to address Void's motive, but you do not.
[448] Laughing & accusing Teia of ignoring large swaths of your case, when you yourself have just ignored the heart of Teia's push on Void. Teia has again asked you to address Void's motive but you again focus on the bad argument rather than the motivation behind it.
[450] After Teia breaks it down for you – "it's the same thing Void's doing: You're so absolutely convinced of your conclusion that you won't entertain thoughts to the contrary. That's not townie behaviour, because Mafia's ultimately a game about the informed minority (scum) versus the uninformed majority (town)" – you say "You haven't given me anything to think about on the contrary since I laid the case on you." Teia asked you to examine Void's /motivation/ prior to you casing her.
[460] I try to establish what is confusing you about my post re: Void & your reply is "Oh, for some reason I never read the posts you quoted with the rest of your post. I don't know how I made such a stupid mistake but the post makes sense now." KK confirmed for not reading?
At this point in the thread my notes have you obfuscating, antagonizing, strawmanning & tunnelling, & that isn't even going into our subsequent interactions or what I see from Day 1 that continues on into toDay. . . & it's 3am (yay x_x).
Void, do you have an ability in addition to your moves?
I am responding to this in a separate post because Epic.
You say to TeiaWhen I respond with incredulity, you reply
Tell me more about what scum will or won't do.
Consider the conflict of interest in *you* putting this forward – 'player A (you) would almost never begin a bus wagon on player C (Void or Wheat)'. Somehow this self-serving rubbish is supposed to convince me Teia's behaviour is scummy.
Not what I said. Forgive me for taking note of what I had just read. I wasn't trying to shatter your meta call with a sample size of 1.
I just noticed I get told off for answering for Moms. To me it looks like I was actually answering a question directed at BV.
Did a search for "medium sized"
AI used it just the other day
DoYourHomework used it a couple months ago
Tom asked the Theory thread about it back in April, I explained it.
Zindabad calls DRey out & even name drops me
RobRoy, a MiseTings veteran, references it in February. Gandan doesn't ken, so RobRoy explains where the term comes from & how it applies to these games. Serendipitously, we see Void posting immediately before RR explains the term, then a few minutes afterwards. I'm skimming this game right now & to be fair, Void's posting looks a lot like this game. Megs calls him out for repeatedly doing things like the BV/Moms. Sticking this here for when I run out of things to do.
As for only voting when it's safe, you better back that up with some evidence Moms. I've been trying to get into KK's head this whole Day, & meeting with consistent bulldogging & WIFOM nonsense. I hadn't even seen Wheat's post when I voted.
I can see where scum KK ties himself to terrible town Void for post-lynch points, but I also haven't seen a valid defense of Void except "meta", which isn't what I remember from Town Void in CCMVI or what I saw in the partial re-read of the middle of that game that I did yesterday.
Whatever guy. It's been discussed umpteen times here & on GGery & Misetings. It is a known mafia meme in the circles I travel, if only because I post one of these images when it comes up.
I will dig up prior times it has come up when naptime rolls around.
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I hope this illustrates why that behaviour is scummy (& if anyone has more examples gimme gimme I collect them all).