Quote from rowanalpha »I think you're overloading your set by adding vanishing. Morph was only kept in Khans after they came up with the Clan model because it worked well as pseudo-color fixing in a set that needed it. Vanishing is only adding complexity to the set here.
Restore needs to be reworded at the very least, because current wording lets you restore when you have no cards in hand. Also, it will trigger for each restore card in your graveyard regardless of how it is worded, but it currently lets you return your most valuable restore card for the lowest restore value among cards in your graveyard.
Finally, your wording will put the restored card on top, and then the cards from hand on top of that, meaning you don't get the card you restored for multiple draws.
Restore 2 (At the beginning of your upkeep, you may put exactly two cards from your hand on top of your library in any order. If you do, put [CARDNAME] on top of you library.)
This is better wording/order and it creates the dependency that you must have card in hand to restore. However, this mechanic is (a) will potentially create repetitive game states (like Buyback does) and (b) cost more than the effect is worth due to the loss of card advantage. Putting the restored card in hand instead of the top of the deck would solve the second problem, but not the first.
Manaburst is an interesting idea. It might make the effect more interesting if you found a way to make the ability scale with the amount of mana in the pool, rather than being two or more. This would encourage actually tapping out rather than tapping just enough to get the bonus.
I don't think hunt will play as well as you want it too, so you'd need top playtest this a lot. The opposite ability (Thorn Elemental) is good because it breaks stalemates, but in hunt's case it will rarely be better to deal damage to a create in place of just reducing the opponent's life total.
Having the hunter deal damage to the marked creature in addition to the player would create some more interesting choice, but mostly would just force the player to block with the marked creature. Having each creature hunting a different creature and changing those targets each turn will also create memory issues.
Here's an out of the box idea, based on the monarch:
When this creature enters the battlefield, target creature or planeswalker becomes the hunted. (Whenever that permanent's controller is dealt combat damage, that much damage is dealt to the hunted)
The hunted becomes a marker that only one creature at a time can have, and means that whatever damage the player doesn't block also gets dealt to that creature. There might be a way to make it only relevant to creatures with the Hunt ability, but I'd need to think harder on the wording.
There's not really cross mechanic synergy (think Surveil/Jumpstart in GRN or Outlast/Ferocious in Khans), so you'll need to find ways to make archetypes between colors that are relevant for draft.
Quote from DJK3654 »Feign (latest version) seems like a lot of searching and shuffling for what you're getting out of it. The cost there is also pretty small in practice, as your opponent will lose a lot of value repeatedly trying to kill creatures to bleed you off feign cards and may therefore often not bother, so these cards are going to be quite powerful. And that may make it a little hard to balance, and may be frustrating to play against.
I would suggest changing the cost from searching for feign cards to mill to discarding any creature card. This makes them more flexible and less parasitic, removes the fiddle time of searching and shuffling, and means you get more out of trying to kill a feign creature so you're encouraged to do it more often and feel less bad about it when you have to do it.
The problem with defensive mechanics like Indomitable is not just whether they encouraged stalled board states, it's that they are not proactive and don't encourage interaction in the game. When you are encouraged to attack, you and your opponent who's on the defence are both forced into making interactive decisions. Things happen. When you are encouraged to hold up blockers, your opponent is often going to be forced to hold back more as well and may not attack at all. Even if the overall board states with a mechanic don't become less interactive and more stalled, the mechanic itself wants to be at the center of the interaction in the game because that's the fun part. Mechanics that live in the less fun parts of the game, well, they're less fun.
Indomitable is often going to serve to intimidate the opponent into making different attacks, maybe attacking with more creatures to force you to block with multiple or not attacking at all, in such a way that it isn't always going to actually trigger and often won't actually make any big trades. Especially with newer players who can often be intimidated by the prospect of losing their creatures when they attack. Exalted, on the other hand, is often going to trigger every turn, and actually directly affect the game with a big swing of damage going somewhere.
Restore gives me terrible flashbacks to dredge. That is not a good comparison for a mechanic to have. That said, the mechanic is actually too weak right now, in line with what Rowanalpha said. Not only are you losing card advantage, you're not even getting the card you wanted for multiple turns.
Manaburst is interesting, but I think it has two issues. One is that the mana pool is on the high end of complexity for something you're going to want at low rarities in some number (it's a large part of why they removed reference to the mana pool from mana generation effects). This is especially so given the unconventional way this effect wants you to play with mana. The second is that this effect is almost always going to function exactly like Kicker when you just let the mana expire or like Surge when you play it with another effect.
Hunt suffers from similar reactive problems to Indomitable. Set mechanics usually want to do something good for you, not hurt your opponent's things, because players don't like having their stuff hurt as much as they like getting good stuff, and because it's dependant on what your opponent is doing as to how useful it is.
If your opponent is playing weenies, then hunt isn't going to be as rewarding when you're just hitting 1/1s and 2/2s, or if your opponent is playing a creature-light (or creatureless) control deck then hunt might do nothing much of the time.
Quote from Card Slinger J »Quote from mikeyG »Did MtG sales dip through the spring? Are sales rebounding this summer with things reopening? I've seen conflicting reports (evidently Q1 revenues were up, but covid really only struck in the last slice of that quarter so Q2 sales will be the better datapoint). Q3 may see that uptick with reopens shifting perception, but I do wonder how the unemployment and housing crises may have blunted the MtG sales recovery.
There was a recent Hasbro Report stating that Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths was the best selling Spring set in the history of the brand though they were actually referring to sales on Arena / MTGO not Paper Magic.
Quote from mikeyG »Did MtG sales dip through the spring? Are sales rebounding this summer with things reopening? I've seen conflicting reports (evidently Q1 revenues were up, but covid really only struck in the last slice of that quarter so Q2 sales will be the better datapoint). Q3 may see that uptick with reopens shifting perception, but I do wonder how the unemployment and housing crises may have blunted the MtG sales recovery.
Quote from motleyslayer »One of the two stores in my area is running in store events right now, so I can see them running some kind of pre-release for Zendikar Rising. I think that we'll probably get more information in regards to what will happen with these events over the next few weeks, as the events will probably be late September.
Quote from Narvuntien »
I live in the capital city and I was talking about that, just the store that closed was in the country.
Federally sure politics is trash, ours isn't great but at least took COVID threat seriously since March. I am suggesting you go to your State and even local governments they are much more responsive to citizens. They need to keep their small business running or they might never recover.
How to stop the spread: 2 months lockdown, everything except supermarkets/pharmacies closed, 2 person groups only, mask orders. I am not sure if the USA constitution allows the closing of state boarders, but there needs to be people checking every single border and giving out 2 week stay at home orders.
Once you stop community spread you can start testing and carefully tracking sporadic outbreaks that will continue. locking down apartments and suburbs following the persons travel history to find where they got it from. Test and Track. just doing testing isn't enough you need to track where they got it from. The testing needs to be free or people won't get it done.
A further 2 months of slowly allowing more businesses to open and larger groups to meet.
The economy is just gone its too late to save it, forget it! save lives instead. You effectively need to hibernate the economy until the emergency is over. No rent, no rates, no power or water bills, no one gets fired but everything is closed. You need to have your local small business to still be there when you get out of lockdown so their bills need to go away until they can open. The economy is dead just go into however much debt is required to solve the problem, doing nothing or doing a huge amount are both bad but only once saves lives.
Quote from Card Slinger J »Not sure If anyone's heard about this yet however there were some YouTube videos recently of a group of doctors in front of the U.S. Supreme Court including Stella Immanuel claiming that she had cured COVID-19 in 350 patients at her clinic using a combination of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc and that public health measures such as wearing face masks and social distancing were no longer necessary. Apparently the antimalarial medication hydroxychloroquine had previously had its emergency use authorization for COVID-19 removed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which said it had not been proven to be an effective treatment for the virus. Even If it hadn't been proven yet that still doesn't give them the right to silence these doctors from getting the information out there to test whether or not If it is an effective treatment against COVID-19.
Quote from Xcric »What exactly is happening around this forum lately?
I know it can be a tough gig to be a moderator, and that we lost a lot of people when the forum was sold. there was the threat of it being closed for good and a lot of people jumped ship but just what exactly has this place become?
1. I'm seeing ad-bots constantly.
The threads they start are left up for days on end before they're locked. Its especially true in the rumor mill. Do moderators just not go into the forum any more at all? personally, i'm in there multiple times throughout the day. why are the moderates not also active throughout the day? if they are, why are these threads left up so long? I know reporting those threads helps however; they're blatantly obvious without even clicking them. it shouldn't even get to the point of needing to be reported most of the time if moderators are active.
I also ask why there isn't a waiting period for new threads on accounts. It wouldn't take much, 5 replies before you get new thread privileges. This goes on at other forums so why not here? it would stop the ad-bots pretty fast. there could be a limitation i'm not aware of with this particular style of forum, but as that's been a pretty standard practice everywhere else i'm not entirely sold on that.
2. I see there's a disclaimer thread about what the forum won't tolerate regarding sexism, racism, and all that other jazz.
My question here is... why is that only in this sub forum where no one even bothers to go?
Why is that post not stickied in every single forum across the entire place? Now more than ever that post (or one like it) should be stickied at the top every single forum and sub-forum. If you put it out there everywhere you can better hold people to it. You make the values and standards known. Making that statement helps make the environment here healthier, and helps make the playerbase healthier too. Hiding those values and standards away is almost if you're condoning those negative behaviors. Why hide that statement? Why be silent? Is now not the time to say we won't stand for this here, and if its not, why stand for it at all?
3. What's going on with moderation in the general forum?
General should be a place for general discussion no?
Why do we see so many threads locked up, and people getting infractions for being "political"? This has been especially true when discussing decisions made by wizards regarding magic that are... well... political. If they can't be discussed there, then where? There is no way to separate the politics of those discussions from the discussion because they're so political in nature to begin with. If those threads are being locked up when legitimately discussing the politics of those topics, well then what's left to discuss? is this a forum for speaking on ideas, or nothing more than a news blog?
I understand when its flaming, or trolling, that's legitimate (though there hasn't been much action in holding people accountable to that either). When its a politically charged topic, in a general discussion forum, what exactly is the rationale behind locking the threads for being "too political"? even more so when we take into account that the statement on racism and such is buried deep in the bowels of this place where you actively have to look for it and that there is virtually no other forum to filter that kind of discussion into.
so... what gives? is there anyone behind the wheel here any more?
Quote from Card Slinger J »Sounds to me as though Wizards of the Coast are mostly taking heat for Hasbro corporate's mistakes where Wizards of the Coast are just following orders while their parent company Hasbro are the ones calling all the controversial shots that makes their business partner look terrible as a company.
The irony is that before Hasbro bought out Wizards of the Coast in 1998 they had none of these problems back when the only Social Media outlets we had were message board forums such as the one we're using now.
Quote from Card Slinger J »So somebody posted a message on reddit awhile ago accounting an incident where he/she was wearing a Boros Legion shirt in public where a woman thought it might of been inappropriate due to inciting racism:
The Boros Guild symbol does have connotations of being a white power / white supremacist symbol of some type.
Quote from Mystic_X »
Ben Mulroney just stepped down as host of eTalk (a dreadful show by any barometer) for this exact reason.
He didn't personally do anything wrong, but his wife makes him look bad, because people automatically assume that if he's married to a racist, that either makes him one as well, complicit in her views, or willfully blind to them, all of which speak to his lack of good judgement and inability to be a good role model.
He obviously never needed that job, but still seemed to enjoy it and did it to the best of his ability, so it seems unfair that he should be pressured to step down which is almost certainly what happened behind closed doors.
It's surprising his wife didn't have more poise and restraint as you'd expect anyone marrying a celebrity or public figure (especially the son of a politician) would know to keep a clean low profile and filter any negative comments which are inappropriate as to not reflect poorly on the family.
Rest assured, he wouldn't have stepped down if she didn't get embarrassed in the spotlight, so I don't buy the explanation that it was solely influenced by his apparent noble selfless intention to make room for someone of a less privileged background to fill that role instead.
Quote from SpeedGrapher »So just a summary from the scenario here. He's a famous artist that seduced women. Famous in a small circle of people. Not rock star famous but still famous.
That's pretty much how every rock concert works. Rock star fans chat up the rock stars and then they have intercourse.
Am I missing something?
Is everyone happy they made magic political yet? That's 3 articles in a month. First was racism, 2nd was sexual identity?, 3rd one is on rape. Anyone else see a pattern?
Quote from rowanalpha »
For instance, earlier you said that each color has its own mechanic, but now there's Vanishing as well?
You are right about indomitable as it has less potential to lead to stalemate, but consider that a player is disincentivised to attack if they are going to lose their biggest/best creature, and having one huge blocker is going to make that scenario very common. Remember that combat naturally favors the defending player, so your design will need strategies to compensate for a single big blocker.
Quote from Kryptnyt »It is not the fault of Terese Nielsen or of WotC that we won't get further artwork from her on our cards. It's the fault of Outrage Culture. Everyone has to be outraged about something or another, especially on Twitter.
Maybe a bunch of dumb people screaming about things on Twitter has a lot of weight now. I wonder if the world will grow up and grow toughskinned to this sort of thing? Or if the real trials are yet to come.
In other news, Noah Bradley is a total creepy scumbag who apparently goes around giving out sex invitation cards, and his wife is a cuck who supports him, and that's much more upsetting to me than Terese Nielsen liking goofy politics.
By all accounts she's a very sweet and kind woman, how many of you have moms or aunts who have weird political or religious beliefs?
Quote from WarMachinePrime »
So there is no current evidence then. I have to take her past deletions at face value as mistakes she made on her part and corrected them. Cancel culture continues sadly. Forgiveness seems to be character trait that much of society has lost.
Quote from rowanalpha »To your first point, you're not trying to market a set for sale. If you want to get critiqued on a specific mechanic, post in the main card creation forum and get feedback on that one item. This is subforum is for set creation and feedback, and getting feedback on a single mechanic without seeing how it interacts with the rest of the set makes the feedback less valuable.
On indomitable itself, you have to be careful with defensive combat keywords, since they can lead the game to becoming staring contests where no one wants to attack. That's not to say "defensive exhalted" can't work (its been proposed enough times in different threads) but without the understanding of how the rest of the set interact with it, it is hard to evaluate.
Quote from FunkyDragon »Quote from 5colors »
Sorry I won't treat an antisemitic with any compassion when they don't respect my personhood. Liking antisemitic conspiracies and propergnadia is what let Hitler and the Nazis rise up to power in the first place. It wasn't all book burning prison camps, but agreeing, spreading and not fighting back that ideas that lead into actions that made nazis. And yet, by dehumanizing the Other, you have become the very thing you claim to fight.
Quote from 5colors »
Sorry I won't treat an antisemitic with any compassion when they don't respect my personhood. Liking antisemitic conspiracies and propergnadia is what let Hitler and the Nazis rise up to power in the first place. It wasn't all book burning prison camps, but agreeing, spreading and not fighting back that ideas that lead into actions that made nazis.
Less well known [than other paradoxes Popper discusses] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.
Quote from leslak »Quote from mikeyG »Quote from leslak »Well leaving Standard, Modern, and Pioneer paper formats was never soo easy. Thanks WotC now i will have more money to invest in other games and time to continue my dead games and boardgame library.
If I may ask, why? Was this the straw that broke the camel's back or is the situation with Nielsen on its own enough to make you drop the game?
Not dropping the game, just not buying new products. Probably not selling my entire collection but if i can will not buy new products (at least in the same rate as i did before) and the ones i buy (eventual draft/pre release) i will try to sell as quick as i can. In resume no more 4 boxes for each new set will just open boosters for draft and avoid buying new cards from the seccondary market.
I liked Nielsen as an Artist and as a person bought some playmats from her and after this will buy more. I m ok with WotC banning old cards for racist content, i m ok with WotC having a inclussion discuss. I m not ok with WotC droping an artist for what i can only call "assumption of guilty by association" spread by people that would openly do what many call "bullying" to said artist.
Quote from mikeyG »Quote from leslak »Well leaving Standard, Modern, and Pioneer paper formats was never soo easy. Thanks WotC now i will have more money to invest in other games and time to continue my dead games and boardgame library.
If I may ask, why? Was this the straw that broke the camel's back or is the situation with Nielsen on its own enough to make you drop the game?
Quote from leslak »Well leaving Standard, Modern, and Pioneer paper formats was never soo easy. Thanks WotC now i will have more money to invest in other games and time to continue my dead games and boardgame library.
Sincerily hope that WotC starts promoting black and trans artists into the game, contracting those for future card art, otherwise all those HR moves are just lies for views-likes done by one of the whitest company ever (with lots of cis people who think they know better and can judge everyone and everything).
i am currently not that bored yet...although i think i will be this monday