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It's not inconceivable that, if there were an Egyptian themed block, it would somehow explain the birth/creation of the Eldrazi if they're trying to do story continuity.

Cthulhu has always been though.
There is no need for any creation story for the magic version of "the old ones".
The creation story for Eldrazi should be "time began, and there were Eldrazi".

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Three new mechanics and two returning mechanics, reprint with new art, flavor text with a storyline noone was even speculating on.
These aren't anything close to fake.

Noone fakes an entire pack of cards. It takes far too much effort and nuance to fake a marginal red common. Even RnD has a hard time making cards like structural distortion.

Why is this topic still open?
Noone has advance information about bans, they are just assuming, and the assumption has been around for the past few b/r announcements.

Quote from milo_bloom »

On another note, I'm growing more and more convinced that WOTC is intentionally leaking these and monitoring the forums like this so they know exactly what questions to put in the FAQ that I'm sure will be published on the Mothership later this month. There's a lot of confusion over how <> will work, questions I think are mainly a result of this distinction not being made since the beginning of the game but once put in use will become clear.

Yes, because WOTC doesn't have market research or testing groups or anything like that.
Come on.

Edit: Also, how many questions could be raised about this mechanic? 100% of the questions are because the mechanic wasn't explained with the spoilers.
If they spoiled Wastes and said "This is the new colorless mana symbol. Some costs can only be paid with colorless mana now. GENERIC mana in costs is unchanged" there would be no confusion.

Just like people said when the expedition breakdown was originally announced for BFZ...
Oath has 20 expeditions.
10 will be creature lands, as that 10set will be completed in BFZ, and it fits the going theme of having some cards in the set proper as expeditions.
10 will be filters, because modern.

Quote from dietl »

Does this mean I have to change my Coalition Victory-deck now?

Colorless is not a color and Wastes does not have a land type.

Has noone pointed out the problem with this image?
It is supposed to be a picture someone took of a card, at the standard semi-awkward angle.

But it has a visible mouse cursor IN THE ART OF THE CARD.

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Discard will never get you something valuable, artifacts are only good against whip, in which case now killing a small guy is irrelevant, and bringing a guy back will likely mean he's dead again. Oh boy, I've really showed them, I totally removed their early game so that they only have late game on the battlefield! Thanks Kolaghan!

Might as well cut all my discard, shocks, artifact destruction and recursion then. You've made it quite clear they are useless effects.

What discard are you running? Thoughtseize, which costs a third of the mana and gives you choice. The problem with this is that they choose.

What shock are you running? Magma Jet, which costs less than this and gives scry. This one costs 3 mana and needs black as well.

What artifact destruction are you running? None in mainboard, that's for sure, and if we're in sideboard, dear god do you have the most casual FNM players in the world.

What recursion do we have? Whip of Erebos, Fated Return, and Endless Obedience in black, Return to the Ranks in white. Which bring them right to the battlefield. There's a reason why Dutiful Return and March of the Return see no play.

Whispers of the muse sees no modern play
Boomerang sees no modern play
3+ mana counterspells don't see play in modern
Turnabout is never used in modern

And yet...

Modal spells are the sum and versatility of their parts.
Compare them to previous commands, not combinations of existing spells, jeez.

ITT noone knows how to gauge power level of a modal spell.
This card is good.
Not amazing, but certainly going to see play.

Quote from ThoObe »

What's going on with that set's font and color?!
Looks like Wizards wants some more little girls playing their card game. Also fits with their Twilight theme.

That or scare away insecure males which this game has way too many of.

Quote from braviale

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php

Sorry, but the card seem fake!

That's cool and all, but it's not.

Quote from DrendDragonspawn

I can understand liking the good things and the recent success of wotc does say they are doing more right than wrong, but it doesn't negate the wrong. The fact that he disregards the opinions of the ACTUAL majority shows he is utterly irresponsible, and shouldn't be in charge of anything.

And what, mind you, is the ACTUAL opinion of the majority? Are you the spokesperson?

I find it funny that each person who dislikes a set/card/etc. automatically assumes that they are in the majority.

News flash: you aren't.

Hey, look! Another thread that's devolved into a couple of people hating on R&D. How shocking. I say this in every thread that turns out this way:

More people are playing and buying more Magic than at any time in the history of the game. Tournament attendance at GPs, PTQs, and prereleases is at an all time high. Decks across multiple formats are more diverse than they've ever been. And you want the game to shift focus for your enjoyment?

Quote from Valarin

Make it three. Almost every set he has been lead designer on has been terrible. He has zero formal design training (he has a communications degree and was a third string writer on the tail end of Roseanne's run), and basically lucked into one of the greatest jobs in the world by making Magic puzzles for the Duelist before MTG was popular and chumming it up with people at WoTC. He knows he lacks the skills or design chops to do anything else, so once he got into WoTC he rooted himself there and will probably never leave until he dies.

Truly talented people are sought out for their skills and try new and different things in thier industry. Look at Richard Garfield and the breadth of games and companies he has applied his talents to. MaRo is a classic example of the Peter Principle in action. He is MTG's David Brent: an inept designer enamored with himself and his perception of his own abilities.

Hahahahahha....like it even matters! (And this is from someone with "formal design training")

I was going to post this but someone was faster.

Quote from Wrathberry

still why should it be impossible? the slot where it fits is still there.
and sets had many incomplete cycles. just remember the 1 splitmana creatures? just another example for an incomplete cycle.

But we already have 3/5. When they do cycles they do it for a block (ravnica hybrid mana), or they make "dualities" (see knight of infamy vs knight of glory). I don't think there has been a triangle cycle.

Chances are basically 0 it's in. And if it's not in, it's not like it's a deal breaker. We already have partial confirmation it will be in a standard legal set soon.

This is just trolling

If this thread isn't an example of how far we've fallen from the true Rumor Seasons the MTG community used to have, then I don't know what is. People have gotten so used to literally everything being spoiled through official sources that suddenly everyone's screaming foul when we actually get something worthy of being in the Rumor Mill. Used to MTGS and at one point MTGNews would've completed spoilers that were fairly accurate off of even far less than what the OP gave us. Years back before WotC started doing their best to plug up the holes we got leaks through, people didn't have the balls to scan card images of product that was opened early. I'm not saying the OP can't be faking and it's a 100% thing, but if you think the Rumor Mill is was ever meant to be about leaks from sources based on 100% positively correct information, you definitely haven't been around long enough to know what it means to be the Rumor Mill.

Quote from itachiitachi

Why would people shift card if supply meets demands? "I can get thoughzise for $10 so now I want duress instead"

They mean that other cards that deck x already runs will become more expensive. I'm not sure that's true however. It definitely works out that way in standard, but that has everything to do with sets having a relatively fixed value while they are redeemable from MTGO so that when one card spikes or drops in price, other cards from the same set shift in value to compensate since the complete set has an overall value that doesn't fluctuate more than a couple of dollars after it has been redeemable for a while. The cards that adjust in price upwards are typically (go figure) cards that are already seeing play, often in the same deck as the cards that adjust downward.

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Cheaper formats = more intrest = more people playing the format.

Hence why pauper is the number one most played format amirite?

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More people buying the product = incentive for people to buy sealed product.

?

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The only reason most people want MM is because it is speculated that the EV will be high above the Retail price.

You seemed to have totally missed the two main points of the statement.
1. What has been revealed of MM so far isn't doing much to make it more accessible.
2. If modern is more accessible more people will buy modern cards.

More accessible does not mean cheaper. As has been pointed out multiple times already, there is a real and quantifiable gap in the number of cards in circulation from sets printed before Zendikar. Wizards was worried (and rightly so) that if the format took off the way they want it to that there would be availability issues. This product is designed to get more cards into more locations, and it will do that. Never did they promise or even imply that their intent was to lower the prices on the chase rares. The numbers suggest that what you are looking for to happen will where it concerns the cards that should most be readily available on the cheap: the uncommons. Good, expensive chase rares are actually healthy for the format, especially while you can crack them in boosters. The perceived EV is exactly why this set will sell out completely and get the maximum number of cards into circulation and quickly.

Quote from itachiitachi

Even if MM had an unlimited supply I doubt goyf would drop by more than 20%.

If goyf had originally been printed in the kind of numbers that a modern set is printed in I doubt that it would be more than $60. That said, even if MM brings the the total printed number of copies up to be in line with the number of any given mythic from a current set then a 20% drop in price short term seems a bit high. There is a price memory factor in play combined with the fact that old goyfs not only have a different art they also have the dstinctive future shifted frame, and even if you don't like the frame it makes the card instantly recognizable.

Quote from The_USAgent

Maybe I'm in the minority in this but I hate the new Dark Confidant art, a lot.
I'm glad I have my playset of "Bob" and not this "Skrillex" art.

Could be, but I'm right there with you. I don't like the new art at all. I am not a huge fan of the original either personally, but I do prefer it by miles.

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Galspanic, I understand you think of moderators as responding to user complaints and trying to shore up PR problems and all that. And I think you're right that they theoretically do those things. But as far as the public face goes, the moderators can come across as monolithic and seem to have some incentives to back each other up in public, to keep the majority of users happy by treating the unpopular in a certain way, etc. In other words, the mods doing their jobs very well can still come across as law-and-order-type pricks. My main idea would be to have somebody who isn't a mod and whose position almost as an adversary reviews the mods or advocates for users or otherwise. The person can act as a gatekeeper for user complaints. That way if there's ever a question about whether somebody got banned for good reasons, this person can look and respond to the public that "Hey, I'm not a mod, and the mods did a fine job here."

Another use for this position would be handling appeals of moderator actions. By having somebody who's not a mod look it over and tell you that your appeal won't go anywhere or compose a much more civil appeal PM somewhere, maybe the procedures would get a little better.

Anyway, it's just a thought.

Mm. This has come up before, and to be perfectly frank (no slight intended towards you!), I'd ragequit my position if we ever introduced a watchdog kinda system. It'd only serve to make things even more convoluted and bureaucratic (and it is convoluted and bureaucratic enough as it is). The staff is in charge of running the site, sometimes it'll make a bad call, sometimes the users are the ones who are in the wrong about their complaints. But that's always going to be the case, and introducing watchdogs would turn this volunteer job at an internet forum for discussing Magic cards into a very stressful affair.

Basically: not on my watch. Site's running fine, I think we're doing well, and staff is going to have to remain in charge of things, or it just ain't gonna work. We have our reasons for doing what we do, and if you think something is super wrong for some reason, you could always contact Curse (the owners).