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    posted a message on Random Card of the Day: Siren's Call
    Quote from Hermes_ »
    Quote from 3drinks »

    Quote from Hermes_ »
    this is why you run Reliquary Tower


    lmao.


    I couldn't resist


    Joke had 110% topicality. A+
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on Reliquary Tower
    Well, since the card is a land, the first question is, is it worth trading in a basic land? It might be, if you're in 0-2 colors, maybe even 3 colors if you don't have that many cards costing three mana of one color (or two mana each of two separate colors), but above that? Not so much. (And yes, you should use at least some basic lands even in five-color decks.)

    The second question is much more complicated. Is it worth playing just on its own merits, not as something extra you sometimes get? I would say control decks are probably the only time it is. No other deck archetype depends on holding cards in your hand. It's irrelevant for aggro or combo, and it actively works against you if you're playing something like reanimator or dredge


    In single colour? Nah, you're trying to maximize basic count for Gauntlets in an attempt to make up for the shortcomings of single colour. Tower hurts both your ability to make coloured mana on time, as well as works against said Gauntlet effect you wouldn't want to miss out on.

    In three colour? Especially without green, you're surely going to want to devote most of those slots to fixing (and I play seven basics in 3c FWIW, three basics, three snow basics, and a wastes, optimally). You might have Strip Mine, Wasteland, and Cavern of Souls, is R-Tower really going to make the cut here over these lands? Highly unlikely. This scenario becomes more exasperated in 4c and 5c (which should at the very least play five basics - one of each) plus your duals, fetches, and you're barely gonna fit in a Strip Mine, let alone anything else.

    This reserves R-Tower for 2c decks, but only if said deck wants to and has a need to hold such a copious amount of cards as well as the capacity to draw said cards. And if they can, why are they not casting them? If there's no reason then the deck trying to hold cards is playing inefficiently and the deck in question likely still doesn't need a Tower as much as the player needs to learn why they're holding cards when they shouldn't. Or, more accurately, the player needs to learn better resource management such that they're not pissing away cards or justifying an unneeded colourless land to help mitigate their resource mismanagement.

    Quote from FunkyDragon »
    This analysis is a bit too reductive to be accurate. "Holding excess cards without playing them" is not the same thing as holding excess cards to play them at the right time. It may be win-more in the majority of decks, but in other decks, it is keep-from-losing.


    How so? Is it really keep-from-losing when you're staring at 1UG when you have a Counterspell to survive to the next turn that you can't use vs my Pyroclasm? How many protective spells does Feather, the Redeemed really need to hold? How many times will your opponents burn cards through protection on Feather, once they've already seen the answer? In this case, holding a bunch of protection spells are unneeded since they're doing the same thing and people aren't casting into your tricks once they know you have it.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on Reliquary Tower
    Quote from tstorm823 »
    Reliquary Tower is an excellent card. Plenty of decks draw too many cards, and even more are rewarded for building a critical mass of resources safely in hand rather than play out into the format with 1000 board wipes a game and very few Thoughtseizes. I think anyone suggesting it isn't an excellent card is overcompensating to counterbalance the people who thoughtlessly throw it into any deck, and I don't think that's a particularly productive viewpoint.


    tstorm, i like ya, you're good people, but you're alone on this mountaintop, man. Pokken is right, just because n00b players will sit with 20 cards in hand dragging out games because of their own decision paralysis doesn't mean Tower is a worthy slot. Bad cards do not make excuses that turn bad deck building and player skill into good. Again, hoarding cards in hand is a resource that is not being utilized in a meaningful way (see also, why Arc-Slogger is a good card or why Tainted Pact is a phenomenal tutour - because they provide an effect in exchange for a resource that is not actually iMPACTing the game), once you get beyond the max natural hand size (and even before that point, sometimes). And even then, your excess gluttony of resources is only protected until the first Wasteland comes up? Or Blood Moon. Still doesn't seem that safe of an investment when compared to the other options also vulnerable to the same level of disruption.

    You know what's better? Tower of the Magistrate, and that is a card that is a nonbasic Wastes in nine of every ten games. But that one game where it's a difference maker, that one clutch play is better than any perceived benefit from R-Tower.
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    posted a message on Random Card of the Day: Siren's Call
    Quote from Igzex »
    If there's a time I'd use this on an opponent's spell, it would be something they tapped out for with intentions to win on the spot like Tooth and Nail, Time Stretch, and Boundless Realms. But yeah it's more for cheating self exile clauses in most cases, meaning it has the potential to be profoundly annoying. Just as Narset would like it apparently going by the cards that represent her.


    Torment of Hailfire comes to mind...........
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    posted a message on Random Card of the Day: Siren's Call


    Watched this hit an Expropriate three times in one game coming from a Kess deck. Needless to say my memories of it are not fond.........
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    posted a message on Random Card of the Day: Siren's Call
    Lotta people in this thread doing an awful lotta devaluing of Inferno Titan. Really? Since when is an arc lightning on-demand bad? When compared to making a pair of vanilla bears? Then you add the firebreathing to the mix versus who ever's bright idea it was to put deathtouch on a 6/6 like that's relevant...people far over-value Grave Tits, that's all there is to it.

    Quote from tstorm823 »
    Frost Titan


    I believe this is my second favorite titan.


    I always called him Package Titan because once you notice the package, as much as you try you just can't look away. Also a fave Rite of Rep target though not as genius as with Yosei but it is what it is.
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    posted a message on Where to go, after MtGSalvation?
    Quote from Rumpy5897 »
    The easiest way to carry this out would be to add the primer tag to any MTGS primers that migrate over :p

    You’re not wrong in that respect, but we don’t know how things are going to look at the other end, and it’ll mean that existing primer curators will need to save their code, migrate over and let us know where their new thread is, once it’s at a level the curator is happy with (based on the chance that it may not translate exactly the same, we just don’t know yet).

    At any rate, in essence it’s simple, we just want to make sure it’s a smooth transition and that we can make the move as seamless as it can be for all involved.


    I've got my code saved verbatim in a Google docs file. I'd advise others do the same as its just a matter of a mere c/p job.
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    posted a message on SCGCon!
    You'd think something like that would go without saying, but.........
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    posted a message on SCGCon!
    Can confirm, koalas are cute as a button.
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    posted a message on London Mulligan in Commander
    Eww. Gross.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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