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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    right after I tell you all it's full roles revealed. Looks like that was a special kill.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Well, no one claiming that, Vaimes, since scum clearly did it. Gemma was like, the most townread.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Two more quick things.

    (1) I asked our mod about the scum factional kill for purposes of my "Fall" ability. I was told it does not have a name. So, I won't get told that if I target the player the scum kill in Fall.

    (2) Also, I remember people asking question about whether this was a full role reveal on death game? I actually asked DV about that too! Like, three weeks ago and forgot I had asked. It IS a full roles revealed on death game.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Okay, here's what I've been doing in the other window for the past 2 hours. Starting to look at people voting for me.

    On the one hand, I'm an easy vote, because I've loudly stated multiple times that I'm not really into the game yet, and that I need some flips and claims to start working stuff out. This makes it easy to vote me for coasting and/or not doing anything, which can be scummy.

    On the other hand, this is what I do, so, it really shouldn't be a surprise. Also, I will point out that this is one of the longest D1s (in terms of postcounts) ever, maybe only behind Zero Escape for me? It makes it so much harder, and longer, to wade back through all the posts.

    But, here we go.

    First person to voting for me was Vaimes (only 171 posts). The first time he mentioned me at all was Here @#127. Did not give an indication why he thought I would be a "good vote", just said it. Which, fine, for that early in the game.

    His (first?) vote for me came Here @#288. Again, no reasons, just says "I will explore this." I'm not saying Vaimes should know me better, but if he knew me better he would know that that kind of vote would do literally zero in terms of getting a response from me. The way it's phrased suggests that other people were expressing suspicions of me and he's hopping on. I do not know if that was what was happening. It was still early.

    Vaimes leaves voting for me and switches to DK, without ever expressing why.

    Goes back to me at #650. At least he says someting here, which is that he didn't like my "call out" of KCC. Said it looked out of character and pricklier. I am assuming he's talking about the post where I said that I thought a Town-KCC would have been more apologetic about her absence from the thread. I know "Tone" is sometimes hard to read, but I wasn't being prickly at all. It was (and still is?) a valid observation. I have no idea why he would say that was "out of character" for me. So, this is kind of a lazy vote.

    By #729, I'm still his favored Lunch, but he's still yet to actually say a single thing about me other than the above. So, that's Red Flag territory.

    He goes off me to vote Mindreaver for a bit (after defending Mindreaver earlier, I think). This was at a moment where it looked like Mindreaver could be going down due to inactivity.

    #910 is where he says the most he's going to say. Says I don't have the "energy" I had in my last game (Modern). And thinks I've been targeting LHF. Which, eh. I won't say he should know better, quite. But it's still weak. Maybe I did have (a tiny) bit more energy in the early part of Modern. Maybe? I'm not re-reading myself to judge. But I know that game also moved faster than this one. I'm not playing any different.

    So, finally, after prodding, Vaimes makes some posts here:
    #957
    #979. Again comments on my targeting "LHF" and "hemming and hawing."

    I would point out that the thing about targeting "LHF" and "easy" targets, is that, well, they are usually LHF and/or easy targets for a reason. Like, there's something there. And he acknowledges my very open admission that I don't have strong opinions on D1, even says he will "check that out" when he has time. But that doesn't actually seems to matter. Mentions the KCC "out of character" thing again. Here I'm having trouble getting how he is claiming to know me enough to observe this is out of character, but apparently does not know me enough to know that I hate D1 and just don't have strong opinions. And that I waffle on my reads literally all the time.

    That is super lazy Vaimes or just disingenuous.

    There's one more part where he says he feels weirded out by my Nacho interactions, like, I should be scumreading Nacho but I'm not. This isn't really elaborated on.

    More or less concludes in #980 saying it's an overall "feel" as opposed to a smoking gun.

    I think that's basically it. If I'm boiling it down, it's not so much a strong scum read as that he's doing a process of elimination and just likes literally everyone else better? Which seems incredible to me given some of the players. But maybe is an opinion you can have. There's some irony in this vote and his criticisms of me.

    It wasn't a thing until last night when the CFD suddenly started. So, I probably should look at that more than the people (Vaimes/Killjoy) who were just sitting on me for a long time.

    But that has to be later. I've got to go right now. I haven't even had a shower this morning....
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    Just lynch Axel. That is not a town role. Extremely overpowered compared to everything we've seen.
    Dude, it is weaker than just a standard Watcher ability. In what world do you call "over-powered."
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Quote from fulcrum »
    Quote from Axelrod »
    I'm literally never getting a longer post done while this is going on.

    I would hazard a guess that DV has made roles in this game to defy traditional set-up gaming. Which I just take as a challenge.

    I don't believe you. Your role being more standard is more reason to believe it's fake.

    DK, could you take this seriously, maybe?
    You think I made that up? I thought you were going to say you thought it was real, but still scum. How do I just make that role-claim up? Pretty easy for me to get busted later, wouldn't it be?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Gemma's distraughtness is very Town.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    I'm literally never getting a longer post done while this is going on.

    I would hazard a guess that DV has made roles in this game to defy traditional set-up gaming. Which I just take as a challenge.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    I can see why you would question the existence of my role. But, like, mine is really more standard.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Quote from fulcrum »
    I am Spéirbhean, town dreamer

    I do not have the ability to target. During three different seasons, I see someone who took an action, I see the name of an action that was taken, and I see two abilities that could have been taken during that abilities' season.
    I mean, it's not a hard counter-claim, fulcrum. None of that is what I do.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    I didn't even see your post Gemma. I'm working in another window and just checking back here to refresh this screen periodically.

    I'm Moth - Fairy Town Watcher.

    I'm not quite a standard Watcher. I see different things depending on what the season is.

    Spring - See how many abilities target player.

    Summer - See who targets player

    Fall - Get the Names of Abilites that targeted player

    WInter - See the first person to target player (based on that Order of Action Resolution thing)

    Ironically, Nacho has audibled me into the best version of the ability for tonight. I was worried that I wouldn't even get a Summer shot, as if we had two more kills (like from a Vig or something) we might have skipped Summer and gone straight on into Fall. But I will have the standard Watch ability tonight.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Maybe I should just look at the votes on me. Hm? That's probably better?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Go to bed, wake up to this? Really?

    I mean, I guess it's every game, but still.

    We have 9 hours now? I can't be around for most of that, I've got company coming today. But I'm here now.

    I can claim. Don't especially want to, but I'm probably less likely to convince people due to my brilliant insights, as I haven't had them yet. Like, the claim is good, but not insta-clearing.

    Haven't dug into what Nacho said. In the first instance I am seriously side-eyeing the dishonesty. It's super irresponsible for a Townie, and I hate that. On the other hand, there is something to be said (if KCC is Town) for scum-him not making a play like that at all. Much easier to just let KCC go down. He probably has the confidence to believe he could just get away with it tomorrow, and he might have been right.

    Not actually knowing KCC makes this a hugely conditional exercise which would have been so much more useful tomorrow. But I'm going to look at it with the assumption she's Town (which, man, is not an assumption we should be making) and see what that looks like.

    These things take me literally hours though. I'll keep refreshing in the other window to stay current.



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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Well, you're making me doubt if this is right or not. So, if you're scum, good job there I guess.

    If not, I guess we get the cluster**** tomorrow.

    At least there will be stuff to look at.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day Two Summer Lull Dreams of Leadership
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Keldeo »
    Could you try to paraphrase the winter ability for us anyway?

    Ugh.

    Okay. I pick a player. That player isn't delayed, but when someone next targets them, that action isn't delayed either, but when that other someone uses another action, that action is the one delayed.

    So, say I choose Player A on N1. Then, no one else targets A on N1, or on N2. But then on N3, player B targets A. That action hits A normally, but on N4, any action B makes is delayed to N5.
    Well, that sounds like a complete mess. I really hope that isn't true.
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