DO NOT VOTE FOR TITUS!!! Pibbly, for the love of God, DO NOT VOTE FOR TITUS! HE IS AN INNOCENT! I don't care if it means that we're deadlocked for a while. Vote KCW, he's the closest thing we have to a scum who is available for lynching, if you read through the thread carefully you'll find that titus is in fact innocent. Do NOT let Billking or 20bux lead you astray here.
I was asleep when Pibbly made his vote, but when I saw it the next morning I felt exactly the same way. Nooooooo. Fortunately, Pibbly switched before 20Bux got back on. As I said, it was a remarkably tense game.
Not to quibble or anything (because I'm certain Azrael was going to vote that way), but Hvir didn't have three votes on him at the end there.
Anyway, Azrael, I bow before your superior analytical skills. We may have ended the game with four left alive, but, I think it's safe to say that without you we almost certainly would have lost.
Likewise, Hvir, I bow before your ultimate sneakiness. You were flying completely under my radar right up until the end. You really almost pulled it off.
What was the deal eliminating Pibbly though? Still don't get that one....
Aurorasparrow: congratulations on a fun and remarkably tense game.
462. Jonathan Swift
463. Well, I think he made these jars...or maybe he sold oil which was kept in the jars, which they emptied out and the theives hid in them...something like that. :slant:
464. Sir Alymere
Somebody else out there start making some kind of move, I've run out of tricks to learn anything more, or propel this day in a direction that I'm confident going in. I've laid out the arguments against everyone, it's up to you people to help decide now.
It's funny, I considered opening the day with a massive post attacking you, just to see what kind of reaction it got (from other people, not you). But, ultimately, I chickened out and just went after the person who seemed most suspicious at the time (Safety).
Let's see, if Titus is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops (albeit limited to some extent) and a Doc, plus whatever Pibbly was
(B) he led effort to get us to lynch an innocent first (Musashi)
(C) he also advocated the lynch of one fellow Traitor (Chrome Moxen)
(D) another fellow Traitor (KCW) actively tried to get him lynched
(E) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice
-possible? Yes. Likely? Not really.
If Ripper is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops, plus Pibbly, plus Titus' list
(B) the town got no Doc (balanced?)
(C) Ripper was smart enough to realize there was no Town Doc and claim it day one.
(D) He passed on the chance to vote off Hvir (possibly confused about the votes?)
(E) He is now leading the effort to lynch an innocent (Titus)
-possible? If we think Ripper is extremely clever, maybe.
If Hvir is a Traitor:
(A) the Mafia got a cop (balanced?)
(B) He cleared 20Bux day one, who was somehow dangerous to them
(C) He voted for one fellow traitor (KCW) (second vote at the time, I believe, but it wasn't looking good for KCW before that)
(D) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice (but the Doc was protecting Hvir)
(E) He investigated me, who was obviously innocent
(F) He's very slick
-possible? Why not.
If Azrael is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops and a Doc, plus Pibbly
(B) the Mafia got a double daykiller (in a 12 person game)
(C) the mafia got a member who was masons with a townie
(D) he killed a fellow Traitor day one (Moxen)
(E) he killed a fellow Traitor day one when a Townie had five votes on them and was probably going to get lynched (Musashi)
(F) He then identified a fellow Traitor as next most suspicious (KCW)
(G) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice
-I don't think so
That's good enough for me right now. So, if we want the day to end, can Ripper or Titus switch votes to Hvir? Or tell me where this is wrong.
Also, Ripper, if you are not a Traitor (:-)) you need to protect Azrael or myself tonight. That gives the Traitors only a 50-50 of hitting one of us. If they go after you instead, Azrael and me will just vote whoever is left alive with us tomorrow.
I don't think Hobgoblin was the Green Goblin's son (at least not originally). Just a guy who found all of the Green Goblin's old stuff (and maybe modified the Green Goblin's formula so as not to go insane).
The director is clearly keeping his options open with regards to future villians, but one or more out of Hobgoblin, the Lizard, and Venom seems almost certain. Biggest problem (especially with the Lizard) is do they want to do another villain who is a scientist who's experiment goes awry turning him into a supervillian. Three in a row of those would get kind of old.
I have to admit, if Lt. Ripper hadn't claimed doc, I probably would have wanted to lynch him a long time ago.
He's the only one of us left who has a particularly scummy aura around him.
There's little things that could be construed to be scummy about Hvir and Titus, but nothing on the scale of Lt Ripper's faulty actions. There are somewhat plausible arguments in defense of Hvir and Titus' actions and reputation throughout the thread, the only thing our "doc" has going for him is his role-claim.
The three things that really clinch it for me is that:
1. Pibbly was killed off, when he had no relevant abilities, but he had gotten Lt. Ripper to dislike him.
2. Lt. Ripper has yet to make a correct lynch vote for the town, and worked together with KCW.
3. There is no explanation why he would still be alive, if he is the doc. We've been pretending otherwise at various points throughout the thread, but putting our deception aside, I think we are all experienced to know that doctor's can't self-protect, and I'm confident that any of those still remaining here would have been smart enough to take him out, if they had been mafia, or they would have picked a target like myself or axelrod.
I'm inclined to trust the rest of you. I can see the arguments in your favor.
But once we put aside the assumption that security would be a townie on the loyalist side, Lt. Ripper looks really, really bad.
Vote Lt. Rippper
This is, I believe, what is called overthinking a situation (and I should know, I do it all the time).
Is it possible there is no Doc is this game? Yes. Is that possibility more likely than there being a Mafia cop? Probably not. Not with a townie cop already established, plus a few other information roles.
Interestingly, one of the best pieces of evidence in Ripper's favor was brought out by Hvir. himself--i.e. that KCW's role description refers to his kill being "unblockable." If there is no Doc. what does that mean? It clearly is a reference to being able to go through Doc protection.
As for his being still alive: the Mafia have only had 2 night kills in this game. Night 1 they went after 20Bux. Why? I assume they felt he was a threat. He had claimed that he would get more powerful as the game went on, and they could have known this to be true, or just believed him.
Night 2 they went after Pibbly: I agree this makes no sense. Pibbly, from what I could see, was not a threat to anyone. He did have a minor investigative ability, and possibly this was a concern. But, also possibly, they just took him out because he was the least suspicious of anyone. As you (and I) are demonstrating, cases can be made against everyone still alive. This is good for the Traitor. Lt. Ripper, was protecting Hvir., and clearly wanted to vote Titus off. If Hvir was the Traitor, that's pleanty of reason to keep him alive, at least one more day.
If Ripper were the Traitor, why on earth wouldn't he vote for Hvir after you accused him, and got me on board. It would get rid of a cop. And the lynch would not be on his head, it would be on yours, since no one was after Hvir. before you brought it up. Is Ripper that cagey? To NOT take an easy opportunity to kill a dangerous townie, so he could keep pressing his case against another (by definition) innocent, who you and I have both been defending all game. That puts him in a worse situation going into tomorrow, if we lynch Titus and Titus turns out to be innocent.
I really don't know. But I'm not changing my vote right now.
Look at me, I was defending Hvir so strenuously the other day (and you were after him equally strenuously), are we reversing positions?
I have to say that of all the players so far, Azrael stands out as one of the best players in this game. While it is unfortunate that he seems to be of the belief that I am a Traitor, to be fair, I can see how my reluctance to post frequently might be seen as a sign of scumminess to those unfamiliar with m playing style.
I quite like this one, since if you are NOT Mafia, it's not true. Azrael was quite convinced billking was Mafia day one. He also expressed reservations about KCW on day two, even when KCW's guilt seemed clear. If you were innocent, his record would be quite poor, and we would be in a serious hole.
If you're guilty, however, it was indeed a brilliant deduction.
I was asleep when Pibbly made his vote, but when I saw it the next morning I felt exactly the same way. Nooooooo. Fortunately, Pibbly switched before 20Bux got back on. As I said, it was a remarkably tense game.
Anyway, Azrael, I bow before your superior analytical skills. We may have ended the game with four left alive, but, I think it's safe to say that without you we almost certainly would have lost.
Likewise, Hvir, I bow before your ultimate sneakiness. You were flying completely under my radar right up until the end. You really almost pulled it off.
What was the deal eliminating Pibbly though? Still don't get that one....
Aurorasparrow: congratulations on a fun and remarkably tense game.
463. Well, I think he made these jars...or maybe he sold oil which was kept in the jars, which they emptied out and the theives hid in them...something like that. :slant:
464. Sir Alymere
It's funny, I considered opening the day with a massive post attacking you, just to see what kind of reaction it got (from other people, not you). But, ultimately, I chickened out and just went after the person who seemed most suspicious at the time (Safety).
Let's see, if Titus is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops (albeit limited to some extent) and a Doc, plus whatever Pibbly was
(B) he led effort to get us to lynch an innocent first (Musashi)
(C) he also advocated the lynch of one fellow Traitor (Chrome Moxen)
(D) another fellow Traitor (KCW) actively tried to get him lynched
(E) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice
-possible? Yes. Likely? Not really.
If Ripper is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops, plus Pibbly, plus Titus' list
(B) the town got no Doc (balanced?)
(C) Ripper was smart enough to realize there was no Town Doc and claim it day one.
(D) He passed on the chance to vote off Hvir (possibly confused about the votes?)
(E) He is now leading the effort to lynch an innocent (Titus)
-possible? If we think Ripper is extremely clever, maybe.
If Hvir is a Traitor:
(A) the Mafia got a cop (balanced?)
(B) He cleared 20Bux day one, who was somehow dangerous to them
(C) He voted for one fellow traitor (KCW) (second vote at the time, I believe, but it wasn't looking good for KCW before that)
(D) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice (but the Doc was protecting Hvir)
(E) He investigated me, who was obviously innocent
(F) He's very slick
-possible? Why not.
If Azrael is a Traitor:
(A) the Town got two cops and a Doc, plus Pibbly
(B) the Mafia got a double daykiller (in a 12 person game)
(C) the mafia got a member who was masons with a townie
(D) he killed a fellow Traitor day one (Moxen)
(E) he killed a fellow Traitor day one when a Townie had five votes on them and was probably going to get lynched (Musashi)
(F) He then identified a fellow Traitor as next most suspicious (KCW)
(G) the Mafia have picked a target other than the Doc to lynch twice
-I don't think so
That's good enough for me right now. So, if we want the day to end, can Ripper or Titus switch votes to Hvir? Or tell me where this is wrong.
Also, Ripper, if you are not a Traitor (:-)) you need to protect Azrael or myself tonight. That gives the Traitors only a 50-50 of hitting one of us. If they go after you instead, Azrael and me will just vote whoever is left alive with us tomorrow.
The director is clearly keeping his options open with regards to future villians, but one or more out of Hobgoblin, the Lizard, and Venom seems almost certain. Biggest problem (especially with the Lizard) is do they want to do another villain who is a scientist who's experiment goes awry turning him into a supervillian. Three in a row of those would get kind of old.
I wasn't taking KCW's word for it. Sparrow said it himself.
This is, I believe, what is called overthinking a situation (and I should know, I do it all the time).
Is it possible there is no Doc is this game? Yes. Is that possibility more likely than there being a Mafia cop? Probably not. Not with a townie cop already established, plus a few other information roles.
Interestingly, one of the best pieces of evidence in Ripper's favor was brought out by Hvir. himself--i.e. that KCW's role description refers to his kill being "unblockable." If there is no Doc. what does that mean? It clearly is a reference to being able to go through Doc protection.
As for his being still alive: the Mafia have only had 2 night kills in this game. Night 1 they went after 20Bux. Why? I assume they felt he was a threat. He had claimed that he would get more powerful as the game went on, and they could have known this to be true, or just believed him.
Night 2 they went after Pibbly: I agree this makes no sense. Pibbly, from what I could see, was not a threat to anyone. He did have a minor investigative ability, and possibly this was a concern. But, also possibly, they just took him out because he was the least suspicious of anyone. As you (and I) are demonstrating, cases can be made against everyone still alive. This is good for the Traitor. Lt. Ripper, was protecting Hvir., and clearly wanted to vote Titus off. If Hvir was the Traitor, that's pleanty of reason to keep him alive, at least one more day.
If Ripper were the Traitor, why on earth wouldn't he vote for Hvir after you accused him, and got me on board. It would get rid of a cop. And the lynch would not be on his head, it would be on yours, since no one was after Hvir. before you brought it up. Is Ripper that cagey? To NOT take an easy opportunity to kill a dangerous townie, so he could keep pressing his case against another (by definition) innocent, who you and I have both been defending all game. That puts him in a worse situation going into tomorrow, if we lynch Titus and Titus turns out to be innocent.
I really don't know. But I'm not changing my vote right now.
Look at me, I was defending Hvir so strenuously the other day (and you were after him equally strenuously), are we reversing positions?
Since Ripper won't cast the third vote, that's pretty much where we are, I think. What do you say?
I quite like this one, since if you are NOT Mafia, it's not true. Azrael was quite convinced billking was Mafia day one. He also expressed reservations about KCW on day two, even when KCW's guilt seemed clear. If you were innocent, his record would be quite poor, and we would be in a serious hole.
If you're guilty, however, it was indeed a brilliant deduction.