If I'm breaking down DoTA's post on KJ it seems to boil down to "Killjoy changed his reads a lot. And he said a lot of people could still be scum."
Which, I guess? KJ has been a bit all over, moreso on D2 I feel. I am a little sympathetic because I can't get a handle on very much either. But he did an independent iso of Cantrip and concluded "might be a wolf." Then when asked to list his "top two" said "DoTA + Wisp." But quickly added "Eco is down there too."
And more recently "Proph + Eco."
I really don't like this "One High, One Low" poster spec. Because it's like his "scum" read on Proph is entirely derived from it by virtue of now thinking Last might be Town (therefore, the other "high" poster is the scum.) He has got a pool of 4, and all he's doing is mixing and matching combinations of those 4, 1 high and 1 low. Which is bad.
@Axel: Yes. It's a theory based quite a bit on less tangible things like gameflow and such. Do you not think that has any bearing here?
No? It makes zero sense to me. This idea you seem to be pushing about "game flow" suggesting anything.
I mean, there could be a mafia among the high posters, and a mafia among the low posters, but you have zero reason for suspecting this as far as I can see. It seems about as accurate as stating that there is probably a mafia among (any random group of 3 people).
DoTA's D2 is a big pile of noting until his last post on Killjoy, which at least looks like he put some amount of effort into doing something (after promising to do something for awhile). I'm just looking at that one post now.
K so I think based on gameflow, perhaps the scum build of this game is one low poster/one high poster. This game doesn't feel overly dominated by scum (there's not like a couple townreads dominating the game that were somehow not nightkilled N1 or something like that) so not exactly Wisp/Proph.
Why do you think there is a mafia in the high posters, if you don't believe that the game is overly dominated by scum?
The options I was looking at was" 2 high posters/1 high 1 low/ 2 middling/ 1 low 1 middling/ 1 middling 1 high/ 2 low.
Now, it's not 2 high posters because this game doesn't feel like the game isn't being dominated by scum.
I guess it could be two low posters, if that's the case, it's likely just DotA/Eco. I don't recall Cantrip or DotA really getting much flak D1 so there's a possiblilty for them to potentially coast through the first day, but now the new Day brought DotA being under fire, with Cantripslot kinda getting some today as well.
A similar case can be made for 1 middle 1 low, with the middling player not really being a driving force for scum. In this case Axel or Grape would be the middle player with Eco or DotA being the low.
1 middle 1 high would feel pretty similar to 2 high, but just not as much. I do not think this is the case.
2 middle would mean that Grape and Axel are scum together, and if that's the case, they are kinda just having the luckiest game ever. Their gameplan is kinda just "act townie and hope we don't get yeeted" which... would be working I suppose. Would scumGrape+scum!Axel do that? I think at the very least Axel would be doing more to increase their win percentage, as just hoping not to be yeeted doesn't usually work out very well.
1 high 1 low would have one person doing all the work with the other just kinda trying to survive, although if Eco is the low player he's made quite an effort to catch up and do things so maybe it would feel different in cases with scum!Eco. I think D1 there was a drive to yeet town from somewhere, and that might have come from scum.
So it's most likely 1 high 1 low or 2 low posters and town is going crazy. I'm leaning the former because it has the higher win percentage usually, as opposed to both scum lurking and town being crazy.
This is like the worst thing you have posted, KJ. What does "this game doesn't feel like the game isn't being dominated by scum" even mean? It's like you have a theory - because you feel it?
So, I think I'm basically punting on Proph and LW at this point. If one of them is scum, I just don't think I am catching them. Like, maybe if I was in a final 3 situation with one of them which I do not think is going to happen.
Axel Proph LW
Grape
Killjoy
These two guys feel kind of similar. They both have posted stuff I liked all right, and I at least have reasons for belief they could be Town.
Eco
DoTA
I might possibly be willing to move Eco over DoTA because the fact is he's posting all right. I gotta look again at how bad I thought Cantrip was. But voting outside these bottom two seems bad.
Vote: DoTA
Let's just do it.
Which, I guess? KJ has been a bit all over, moreso on D2 I feel. I am a little sympathetic because I can't get a handle on very much either. But he did an independent iso of Cantrip and concluded "might be a wolf." Then when asked to list his "top two" said "DoTA + Wisp." But quickly added "Eco is down there too."
And more recently "Proph + Eco."
I really don't like this "One High, One Low" poster spec. Because it's like his "scum" read on Proph is entirely derived from it by virtue of now thinking Last might be Town (therefore, the other "high" poster is the scum.) He has got a pool of 4, and all he's doing is mixing and matching combinations of those 4, 1 high and 1 low. Which is bad.
I mean, there could be a mafia among the high posters, and a mafia among the low posters, but you have zero reason for suspecting this as far as I can see. It seems about as accurate as stating that there is probably a mafia among (any random group of 3 people).
AxelProphLWGrape
Killjoy
These two guys feel kind of similar. They both have posted stuff I liked all right, and I at least have reasons for belief they could be Town.
Eco
DoTA
I might possibly be willing to move Eco over DoTA because the fact is he's posting all right. I gotta look again at how bad I thought Cantrip was. But voting outside these bottom two seems bad.