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With that in mind, maybe Tom's claiming the shot early game is more indicative of town!Tom since he's been getting NK'd early game a lot recently? Wants to ensure the vig shot doesn't end up unused? Fits into my theory that he was playing to avoid the NK, which I like (because I like being right), but I guess scum!Tom probably realizes that waiting to use the shot may lead to him having to shoot a buddy or risk solving the game for town by his refusal/early game vigs on town will be easier to write off as possibly coming from town? Eh, not convinced that Tom's choice of when he revealed the shot is AI.
Quote from tomsloger »@axel
I think i remember your questions being about role so that would be why i didnt answer
Quote from tomsloger »You telling me that in your decades of playing this hasnt come up before? Every vig ever has used their shots early and this is some new thought?
Quote from tomsloger »Ok so
I agree technically that waiting longer to use a vig shot improves the chances of hitting scum with it
But how is that even the most important consideration?
More town controlled kills early makes every lynch and night action afterward better informed.
Like the point isnt getting it right its attempting to win the game yo
Also just gonna note that at first it was scummy of me to want to shoot now chris acknowledges he knows he has an unpopular opinion
Not a real read
Quote from Sir Chris »I find it likely Tom is scum who got a day vig because we successfully lynched scum (the evil version of Vezok's condition) and also if he has a dayvig it is probably low EV to use it today as town. In a high powered setup much better to use it later on but since I think he is scum and is trying to "prove himself" then anyone who is not in my town confirm is fine.
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Do you just come up with the worst justifications for why people can be scum for fun?
Hiding a day vig and not using it instantly is probably the dumbest play anyone can make.
Quote from Sir Chris »Vezok why are you playing with such anger. Like, I don't get it. Today is a really good day for us to explore reads.
Quote from tomsloger »no way you believe shooting later is better
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I don't know why people think I am egotistical
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Of course shooting later is better than early, you have more information. In a game like this it is likely power will catch scum and if you don't reveal your shot day 2 you can shoot for sure scum on a later day or keep it in your pocket for when reads crystalize. Shooting later is so much better later that is disgusts me tht it is seen as "dumb" for me to believe otherwise. Having more information to aim at someone makes total sense.
I was down on Fuwa before, and her pop in is all kinds of wolfy. Since we don’t have the risk of no lynch, applying some pressure and seeing what comes seems like a fine thing to do
I’d say I’m about 50% on Az being scum, and maybe slightly higher on Fuwa. Not by a lot.