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  • posted a message on VorthosCast preview: Despark, Prison Realm
    Quote from 5colors »
    Good best thing IMO to happen to Bolas and it closes his story just like it had opened;

    they do not notice the last egg-stone. It unfurls into not one, but two small dragons born twinned together. Not twenty paces from the clearing they hit the canopy, crashing down through branches and, with twin thumps, come to rest on the forest floor amid a welter of needles and fern.

    "Ouch," says the smaller of the two. He rubs his head against the ground to wipe away a trickle of blood where the tough branches have scratched through the still-tender scales.

    The other one tries to shake open his bruised wings but is trapped by branches fallen like a net over him. A broken tree trunk pins his body. "I'm stuck," he says.

    "I'll help you," says the first, studying the other with a keen eye. "You're Nicol, aren't you? That's your name."


    bye bitch.


    Wait. Is this how an actual MTG novel reads? Wow, dodged a bullet there, I guess.
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  • posted a message on as a female player the new art style females is getting really annoying
    It's just so sad to see MTG dominated by acritical feminist ideologues. Remember in the 90's when moms where scandalized over a pentagram and "satanist" imagery in early Magic and advocated for forceful change in the artwork (aka censorship) against it? This is the XXIst century version of that.
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  • posted a message on as a female player the new art style females is getting really annoying
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    A woman expressing her sexuality is not objectification. A drawing of a woman is not a woman. A trend/history of men drawing women in scantily clad, sexually tinged poses is objectification.


    You're right in that it has been mostly men that have drawn women in MTG. But I'll reiterate: unless you people think it was Rob Liefeld who drew all the women in Magic, why couldn't it be allowed for a man to draw a woman showing some skin? And I don't even mean "scantily clad", as I think MTG art is one of the tamest there are in TCG's in general. I grew up with Frazetta's and Genzoman's artwork and I always thought their women look badass. Again, if you think either of them drew them to jerk off, it says more about you than about the artist. The more we are afraid of depictions of women, the less normalized they're going to be. The goal should be IMO to be able to see a sexy woman in artwork (again, like Genzo's or Frazetta's) and not care about it or see it as badass rather than be afraid of it and censoring it. Not a fan of the leftist neo-puritanism people here advocate for.

    I'm not going to say that there should be no scantily clad women in art. With some characters, it makes sense to have them wearing less. Both female and male characters should be drawn in a variety of clothing styles, from near-naked to totally covered up. That's been happening more and more and I'm glad for it. However, the older trend of every female character looking like a pin-up is, yes, sexist.


    (the bold is mine obviously)

    Which goes back to my first point. What trend are we even talking about? When exactly did we see in Magic "every female character looking like a pin-up"? Earthbind, a single (sort of) sexy card art from decades ago? Elvish Ranger? Are people THAT scandalized over that? The female art in MTG from years and years ago (even less so current female art) is NOTHING compared to the fantasy art a lot of people grew with and have no problem with. God forbid one of you sees a Luis Royo piece (let alone a Renaissance depiction of Venus or something), lest we have some sort of anti-sexist art protest in front of the White House or something. Let me tell you people, it's clear as day to me you have been extremely sheltered from artistic depictions of women.

    This reminds me a lot of that Simpsons episode about Itchyand Scratchy and the David statue censorship.


    Magic was never as bad as some places. But being "extremely sheltered from artistic depictions of women" is the opposite of what I've grown up with. I've been surrounded by images of women like me depicted in sexual ways for the viewing pleasure of men. Call me a buzzkill, but I'd like to see less of that. Not none, but less.


    Fair enough I guess. To me there was already very little to begin with, and today there's even less.
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  • posted a message on as a female player the new art style females is getting really annoying
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    Yeah you kind of miss the point. There is a difference between inclusive (your kissing example) and natural (breastfeeding) and objectification. I'm surprised we got to page 2 really.


    First off, let me make something clear because I'm sure people will be triggered by my examples. I'm bisexual and have no problem with homosexual kissing in public (done it myself) or in movies. Also, I live in Chile, where women have breastfed in the subway, bus, etc for decades. So just clarifying that in case people think I'm against those things.

    Now to your point. If you think a woman expressing her sexuality and being sexy is objectification, it says more about how you see it than how the large majority of people sees it. My current gf is a huge fan of DC women (Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, etc) and loves to see sexy art depicting them. She doesn't play MTG but she has seen a lot of cards and she has abolsutely no problem with sexy card art. It's all about projection. I mean, did we forget this game is about FANTASY? It's called MAGIC ffs.


    A woman expressing her sexuality is not objectification. A drawing of a woman is not a woman. A trend/history of men drawing women in scantily clad, sexually tinged poses is objectification.


    You're right in that it has been mostly men that have drawn women in MTG. But I'll reiterate: unless you people think it was Rob Liefeld who drew all the women in Magic, why couldn't it be allowed for a man to draw a woman showing some skin? And I don't even mean "scantily clad", as I think MTG art is one of the tamest there are in TCG's in general. I grew up with Frazetta's and Genzoman's artwork and I always thought their women look badass. Again, if you think either of them drew them to jerk off, it says more about you than about the artist. The more we are afraid of depictions of women, the less normalized they're going to be. The goal should be IMO to be able to see a sexy woman in artwork (again, like Genzo's or Frazetta's) and not care about it or see it as badass rather than be afraid of it and censoring it. Not a fan of the leftist neo-puritanism people here advocate for.

    I'm not going to say that there should be no scantily clad women in art. With some characters, it makes sense to have them wearing less. Both female and male characters should be drawn in a variety of clothing styles, from near-naked to totally covered up. That's been happening more and more and I'm glad for it. However, the older trend of every female character looking like a pin-up is, yes, sexist.


    (the bold is mine obviously)

    Which goes back to my first point. What trend are we even talking about? When exactly did we see in Magic "every female character looking like a pin-up"? Earthbind, a single (sort of) sexy card art from decades ago? Elvish Ranger? Are people THAT scandalized over that? The female art in MTG from years and years ago (even less so current female art) is NOTHING compared to the fantasy art a lot of people grew with and have no problem with. God forbid one of you sees a Luis Royo piece (let alone a Renaissance depiction of Venus or something), lest we have some sort of anti-sexist art protest in front of the White House or something. Let me tell you people, it's clear as day to me you have been extremely sheltered from artistic depictions of women.

    This reminds me a lot of that Simpsons episode about Itchyand Scratchy and the David statue censorship.
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  • posted a message on as a female player the new art style females is getting really annoying
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    This is the same people who proudly advocate for public breastfeeding or homosexual kissing in movies because "to conservative society showing violence is ok but showing sex and love is bad" and then are shocked to see the slightest hint of a female body. Hypocritical political correctness is corrupting MTG so bad...


    Yeah you kind of miss the point. There is a difference between inclusive (your kissing example) and natural (breastfeeding) and objectification. I'm surprised we got to page 2 really.


    First off, let me make something clear because I'm sure people will be triggered by my examples. I'm bisexual and have no problem with homosexual kissing in public (done it myself) or in movies. Also, I live in Chile, where women have breastfed in the subway, bus, etc for decades. So just clarifying that in case people think I'm against those things.

    Now to your point. If you think a woman expressing her sexuality and being sexy is objectification, it says more about how you see it than how the large majority of people sees it. My current gf is a huge fan of DC women (Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, etc) and loves to see sexy art depicting them. She doesn't play MTG but she has seen a lot of cards and she has abolsutely no problem with sexy card art. It's all about projection. I mean, did we forget this game is about FANTASY? It's called MAGIC ffs.


    A woman expressing her sexuality is not objectification. A drawing of a woman is not a woman. A trend/history of men drawing women in scantily clad, sexually tinged poses is objectification.


    You're right in that it has been mostly men that have drawn women in MTG. But I'll reiterate: unless you people think it was Rob Liefeld who drew all the women in Magic, why couldn't it be allowed for a man to draw a woman showing some skin? And I don't even mean "scantily clad", as I think MTG art is one of the tamest there are in TCG's in general. I grew up with Frazetta's and Genzoman's artwork and I always thought their women look badass. Again, if you think either of them drew them to jerk off, it says more about you than about the artist. The more we are afraid of depictions of women, the less normalized they're going to be. The goal should be IMO to be able to see a sexy woman in artwork (again, like Genzo's or Frazetta's) and not care about it or see it as badass rather than be afraid of it and censoring it. Not a fan of the leftist neo-puritanism people here advocate for.
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  • posted a message on as a female player the new art style females is getting really annoying
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    Quote from Gizlivadi »

    This is the same people who proudly advocate for public breastfeeding or homosexual kissing in movies because "to conservative society showing violence is ok but showing sex and love is bad" and then are shocked to see the slightest hint of a female body. Hypocritical political correctness is corrupting MTG so bad...


    Yeah you kind of miss the point. There is a difference between inclusive (your kissing example) and natural (breastfeeding) and objectification. I'm surprised we got to page 2 really.


    First off, let me make something clear because I'm sure people will be triggered by my examples. I'm bisexual and have no problem with homosexual kissing in public (done it myself) or in movies. Also, I live in Chile, where women have breastfed in the subway, bus, etc for decades. So just clarifying that in case people think I'm against those things.

    Now to your point. If you think a woman expressing her sexuality and being sexy is objectification, it says more about how you see it than how the large majority of people sees it. My current gf is a huge fan of DC women (Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, etc) and loves to see sexy art depicting them. She doesn't play MTG but she has seen a lot of cards and she has abolsutely no problem with sexy card art. It's all about projection. I mean, did we forget this game is about FANTASY? It's called MAGIC ffs.
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  • posted a message on as a female player the new art style females is getting really annoying
    Quote from greywyn »
    Nope.

    MtG used to be quite embarrassing at times, what with all those dodgy poses, T&A popping out left and right, ‘come hither’ expressions (and worse), etc.

    Personally, I’m all for more women being portrayed as strong, capable, independent. Rather than as sex objects. Not to say ‘sexy’ is always a bad thing to show (of course not!) Context and basic respect will still matter though.


    I just don't get what are people even talking about when they say MTG used to be "T&A popping out left and right". What are you even referring to? Earthbind? That was like more than 20 years ago. All these people who say MTG used to be so sexualised... when exactly are you talking about? MTG art has been pretty tame for many many years now. Are people THAT traumatised by Elvish Ranger and Eternal Witness?

    This is the same people who proudly advocate for public breastfeeding or homosexual kissing in movies because "to conservative society showing violence is ok but showing sex and love is bad" and then are shocked to see the slightest hint of a female body. Hypocritical political correctness is corrupting MTG so bad...
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  • posted a message on Challenger Decks 2019
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    I hope Teferi's in one of them so I can pick up some more. I got mine at $13 (lol!) and I'm not paying $50 for another. Grin


    In Gavin’s interview with the Professor, he was torn about saying the answer. He seemed to want to say yes, but obviously can’t. He also mentioned how the Chandra/Hazoret challenger deck was the ‘IT’ deck when they announced them. I don’t think he wanted to say yes that Teferi is one of the decks and over hype it and make it automatically the ‘IT’ deck. He probably wants the other decks to get a fair chance.
    The other challenger deck got a fair chance since we didn’t know Chandra was in one ahead of time. If people did, nobody would have bothered to give the other decks a glance.


    Lol u srs? It's clear he was about to say no.

    I disagree. Why go through the effort of looking like you're excited to say something if what you're going to say is disappointing?


    Excited? He was clearly nervous. Why? Because obviosuly the Prof and his fans wanted to hear that Teferi will be in the deck, and was stuck without anything to say that would not be disappointing. If he was really excited and if Teferi was going to be in a challenger deck, he would've immediately said something to the effect of "just wait and see", and not spend 30 seconds in awkward silence. He basically wanted to avoid a Wyatt Cheng.
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  • posted a message on Challenger Decks 2019
    Quote from Jiyor »
    Quote from idSurge »
    I hope Teferi's in one of them so I can pick up some more. I got mine at $13 (lol!) and I'm not paying $50 for another. Grin


    In Gavin’s interview with the Professor, he was torn about saying the answer. He seemed to want to say yes, but obviously can’t. He also mentioned how the Chandra/Hazoret challenger deck was the ‘IT’ deck when they announced them. I don’t think he wanted to say yes that Teferi is one of the decks and over hype it and make it automatically the ‘IT’ deck. He probably wants the other decks to get a fair chance.
    The other challenger deck got a fair chance since we didn’t know Chandra was in one ahead of time. If people did, nobody would have bothered to give the other decks a glance.


    Lol u srs? It's clear he was about to say no.
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  • posted a message on Challenger Decks 2019
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    Why do people continue love the prices of Standard legal cards to tank further? Does anyone else really not notice that most sets can't even produce a rare/mythic AT LEAST hold the value of the cost of the pack... That's honestly pretty sad...


    Gee, remember when this game was about, you know, actually playing and trading and getting the cards you need for your deck? OKandrew clearly doesn't.
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  • posted a message on Censorship in the art?
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    Lastly I think that this move to more conservative art makes the game less engaging and fun. Case and point is my favorite Legendary Radha, Heir to Keld. Her first card is just a perfect example of sexy confident woman without objectification. The angle and facial expression are perfect in empowering the character along with some awesome flavor text, heck even the angled art gave the feeling of see her through the eyes of a dead or dying man. But the New card Grand Warlord Radha feels flat and emotionless her pose is not dianamic and her facial expression makes her look she has zero emotion, even the flavor text is bland.


    I completely disagree. Not everything needs to have sexualised or violent art. It makes me actively not enjoy the game more, but each to their own.

    The same with Radha. I never enjoyed her old art, but her new one shows her as more intimidating.

    I like both Radha's cards, but I think they illustrate the development of the character well. Radha, Heir to Keld is a young, firey warrior. Grand Warlord Radha is an older, more mature leader. She's a Warlord now, and that shows.


    Also, only one of those two pieces of artwork I will actually remember as a striking piece that generated a strong impression on me, while the other one I'll instantly forget. Guess which one is which?

    I hate this argument of "Radha is now a mature warlord so she looks older, etc" as an excuse for plain boring art. Both pieces of artowrk exemplify perfectly what's wrong with current MTG artwork IMO. I'M NOT saying that Radha shouldn't look more seasoned and authoritarian. That's great. What I'm saying is that you can make the seasoned warlord look and still not have it make look bland and uninspired (case in point: Lovisa Coldeyes. Either of them). The old Radha had an actual unique face, you could look at her and you could see the expression in her eyes. New Radha looks just dull and rushed. THIS is what's wrong with (most) MTG art nowadays.
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  • posted a message on Upcoming Norse-Inspired Set
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    You want expand on that? I mean I do wonder if they will hire a cultural consultant or just mine Marvel Cinematic Universe Thor, Elder Scrolls Skyrim, and Game of Thrones. Norse Stuff has properly never been more popular in the States, well we might be a bit past the peak. What precise political correctness are you talking about? And please dont say too many women and not white people.


    I was actually thinking about this yesterday and believe my friend may have been contacted for that reason. One of the potential challenges of making cards that are based on the Norse gods is that they are still followed modernly, unlike the Greco-Roman pantheon or Egyptian pantheon (save a few fringe "mystics"). Maybe Wizards worries about offending/angering the Asatru?


    The Asatru are such reduced, niche, unrelated to MTG and its player base, and not worth caring about religious minority that you just might be right.
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  • posted a message on Upcoming Norse-Inspired Set
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    Given what he told me regarding when he was contacted and what I know about set design schedules, 2020 seems more likely than 2019.

    Meh wizard, way too late to gather on the hype of Skyrim and game of thrones.


    I'm not really knowable about Skyrim, but GoT is a mix of things with only has some aspect being nordic, so I don't get this complainant.

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    Saskia might show up?

    Saskia is more celtic/gaul since she is on the same plane of Licia, sanguine tribune and her romanesque conquerors, so i don't know.


    Saskia is definitely a Slavic name which points her towards being more from a Rus-like culture. With that said, a set inspired by barbarian Europe in general would be very interesting.
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  • posted a message on Ultimate Masters & Box Topper Promos + PSA regarding sealed Box Topper Boosters
    Watching the box openings on Youtube is gonna be fun. As for the cards themeselves, I won't even be touching any of these ever.
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  • posted a message on Guilds of Ravnica basic lands
    So basically the same art except it's darker, w/ less color and less life. Literally everything that's wrong with current MTG art can be seen when comparing these to the old ones.
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