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Quote from Tiro of Meletis »It appears Thassa’s new spear was forged for her by Purphoros. I wonder why he didn’t just forge her a second Bident?
Quote from DJK3654 »Quote from Caranthir »I'm frankly disgusted by the reaction of some of the community. I have seen people attacking Weisman under his tweets saying he is a "crap writer" and a "terrible person overall". People claiming "freedom of speech" and "right to voice their disagreement" as an apology to behave like stupid jerks bashing the author in a rude and arrogant way. People writing below every single status and tweet repeating tirades about Chandra and Nissa. Online harassment is a serious problem— especially the way it follows erratic trends of whatever's the latest and greatest thing to bash on, as in this case, but not all forms of outspoken strongly-worded criticism constitute harassment. When you're dealing with an issue like this that concerns questions of actual bigotry, a certain amount of intensity is called for. This isn't just a matter of creative disagreement, it's a very real moral, social and political one. Even if the specific consequences here aren't very big, it's a very meaningful thing to a lot of people and for good reason. I'm sure there's more than a few people stepping over the line, but what do you expect? I'd honestly rather that happen than the response be muted and ineffectual.
Quote from Caranthir »I'm frankly disgusted by the reaction of some of the community. I have seen people attacking Weisman under his tweets saying he is a "crap writer" and a "terrible person overall". People claiming "freedom of speech" and "right to voice their disagreement" as an apology to behave like stupid jerks bashing the author in a rude and arrogant way. People writing below every single status and tweet repeating tirades about Chandra and Nissa.
Quote from DJK3654 » I mean, his works are not a masterpiece. But I quite enjoyed and appreciated threading the old lore into Forsaken - for example, the cameo of Myc Zunich, or senator Nhillosh, the pro tem Grand Arbiter of the Azorius - that one is taken directly from Dissension. That alone are hints that he frigging tried to respect the old things. Or his representation of Teysa Karlov, that was by all means more truthful to the original character of Cory Herndon that when Doug Beyer wrote her in The Secretist. That doesn't really have anything to do with whether harassment is justified.
I mean, his works are not a masterpiece. But I quite enjoyed and appreciated threading the old lore into Forsaken - for example, the cameo of Myc Zunich, or senator Nhillosh, the pro tem Grand Arbiter of the Azorius - that one is taken directly from Dissension. That alone are hints that he frigging tried to respect the old things. Or his representation of Teysa Karlov, that was by all means more truthful to the original character of Cory Herndon that when Doug Beyer wrote her in The Secretist.
Quote from DJK3654 » When I started with Magic lore, I was a student of about eighteen. Now I am almost forty father of two. I had many gripes with the storyline along the years, many pages of heated discussion. Maybe it all mellowed me a bit, taught me to appreciate small things, but I still do not understand and loathe these people insulting the writer, full of empty self-entitlement, behaving like kids... People in gaming communities can definitely get quite self-entitled about things being specifically to their liking, but it's definitely not self-entitled to want WotC to live up to their own promises about positive, meaningful representation of marginalized groups, as far that applies to this issue.
When I started with Magic lore, I was a student of about eighteen. Now I am almost forty father of two. I had many gripes with the storyline along the years, many pages of heated discussion. Maybe it all mellowed me a bit, taught me to appreciate small things, but I still do not understand and loathe these people insulting the writer, full of empty self-entitlement, behaving like kids...
Quote from Tiro of Meletis »Blue will always rule my friend, deal with it. Frankly, I’m not ashamed to share my opinion, and I’m hardly in the minority here. The backlash is on every internet medium out there, and the Amazon reviews speak for themselves. Outsourcing the writing was polarizing, but I can’t call that a failure because Kate Elliott delivers every time. We’ve seen some good material come of it, but overall, I do prefer creative handling the material. I do hold Weisman accountable for his own writing, though. I’m anticipating Theros and hope it will be handled by Helland, Elliott, Kelly Digges or a name we can trust. Seriously, I waited years for this resolution and I do not want to see a flop with Theros. I am still stunned they took such a risk with resolving the Bolas arc, considering the time and effort invested in cultivating it all these years, only to send it Media Mail and have it arrive shattered.
Quote from ArixOrdragc » Well, I mean, I'm kind of on Pip's side with this. Wintermute's novels are bad for sure, but they're like Asylum movie bad - if you can get yourself in the right mood, you can have a lot of fun with them. WotS, more than anything else, is just boring. They're not good, but they're also not bad enough to be "so bad that it's good". Wintermute's novels can still provide some degree of entertainment value, even if it's for all the wrong reasons, which is more than can be said for WotS. Although in all fairness, it's been a long time since I read QfK - I just remember smiling and giggling to myself all the way through it, in an "Oh my god what am I even looking at" manner, but it's entirely possible my memory sucks and/or things were just different back then, and it was just bad. That said, I don't pin the blame entirely on Weisman - a significant chunk of it rests with the creative team who actually came up with this dross of a storyline to begin with. Weisman's novels are bad for sure, but in all fairness, he just wasn't given a whole lot to work with. Sure, he might have done a better job with it - a good enough writer can make eating a bowl of cereal compelling - but it's not like he butchered a good story, he simply failed to make the best out of a bad one.
Quote from Pip_Maxwell »Wintermute's novels are absolute masterpieces when compared to these Weissman novels.
Quote from Tiro of Meletis »They only see money. Those trash novels were only bestsellers because of the hard work and dedication of actual WOTC creative (including Kelly Digges) over the years. These novels destroyed that. I fully anticipated an announcement to remove these horrid books from canon and promise to never work with Weisman again. I’m appalled by his deprived, elementary and downright insulting “writing.” Just when I thought his repulsive lack of talent had been the worst of it, he shattered everything the lore has built over all this time, right down to the foundation and even through it. I vehemently loathe the entire WAR project outside of the actual set itself. I actually teared up a bit when I realized some marketing team or CEO is too ashamed of Chandra being bisexual as their main character. I haven’t been made to feel repulsive to society like that since a Baptist woman told my mother I needed an exorcism for being gay. Thank Thassa we are returning to Theros. I hope someone competent handles my favorite set, plane and story of all time in this game. Because Weisman is capable of making me hate even Theros.
Quote from berlin412 »Another interesting detail: The frieze on Elspeth's card shows the planeswalker hitting Heliod (on the right) in the same fashion as she did with Xenagos (on the left)... Is it part of the previous storyline and I missed it or is it new?
Quote from Formless_One »No, the Baron Sengir and Grandmother Sengir come from Ulgothra. However, Grandmother Sengir is actually a planeswalker named Ravi who knew the Baron when he was young and as I understand it before he was a vampire. Then she went insane after pulling an Urza and blowing up most of Ulgothra. But the plane has a planar portal that most likely connects to Dominaria, and who knows? Maybe the Baron and his "Grandmother" did some traveling around the Multiverse at some point.