oh good, a lot of my town read on you had to do with thinking you were noobtown
but then again I forgot about that cryptoclaim...
you do realize though that shadow confirming that I redirected proph to GJ really doesn't clear me? I mean I've explained my motivation for doing so, but that course of action would still make sense if I were scum and saw GJ as a threat wouldn't it? That you've so suddenly dropped your bloodlust for my lynch for no apparent reason is bizarre.
On the three I want lynched most I still think INNAN is the best option since the way they claimed was a lot worse then everyone else and delay looks bad this is of course added with my reasons from before.
After that these are lesser scum reads and are consensus but they are ones who stand out most Scarbo and Mind, Scarbo recent scum list stands out as others have pointed out since it has a person they were townreading and they have been a suspect for a while. I don't really have a solid reason on mind so would lynch the other 2 before them. Everyone else I am townreading atm though so it is more of a matter of POE.
After our recent interactions, how can you possibly make the case that we're both scum?
And now you have him as one of your top three scummiest reads. Explain your progression here?
Why has my read changed from early in day 1 to well into day 3? well:
He's hardly done anything except tunnel me, so this sudden town read he has feels disingenuous (for what? because I redirected you to GJ?). And I don't buy his hopping onto Cythare. It sounded like he knew it was a mislynch all along.
@shadow: Was your 1-shot ability unlocked? Because if not that makes Mindreaver the only claimed true VT.
One of the problems with not using the death speaker ability right away is giving the scum more time. As it stands, they have a couple of high priority targets for their night kill, and waiting on using an ability that should lower our PoE even more just gives them a chance to prioritize other players for kills.
yeah, not following your reasoning here. moreover, walk me through your silver town-clear?
There's really no reason for me to redirect at this point, except yes if someone says they'll vig me, but clearly that's not going to happen having claimed redirector.
Also I don't think vig shots should be majority-decided or announced. That's what lynching is. And it doesn't help us at all to understand the motivation of the vig.
And we should hang off on contacting kosa until after/if there is a vig kill and there's something more specific we can ask of greater use. We don't even know for sure if he gave it away.
I meant to say redirects. I am still lean town on Scarbo, but I strongly dislike him forcing Proph onto me, unless he had a really hard town read on INANN
I do, and I urge everyone to take a closer look at mindreaver.
I give my reason for wanting to know ghosting's win condition.
You misconstrue it to look like I was talking about night actions.
Shadow states what I obviously meant.
I clarify exactly what I meant: one conceivable situation where town loses but ghosting wins.
You dismiss that one conceivable situation, misconstruing it as the only possible situation where town loses but ghosting wins, arrived upon only because ghosting knows the scum team (because according to you I'm projecting there). Here's where it gets confusing for me.
Then you say shadow was coming to my rescue to cover my scumslip and ask that I clarify how I thought ghosting would know how to target only scum?
@ghosting: do I have to beg for you win con? I know you're cooperating now, but it's not out of the realm of possibility for it to be advantageous for you to side with scum. Imagine a lylo situation where the only unlocked person was town. :|
K, so, I'm having a reaalllly good time tonight. This response is gonna be the most epic of the whole thread.
First, a scenario that you're painting, doesn't exist. Know why? Because if we believe in ghosting's neutrality, he doesn't know the scumteam either. Right? So he can't "target scum" and he can't "target town" either. He has no idea. The ONLY thing that ghosting can do, is literally target those least likely to be mafia killed or lynched. That means he can't go for top scumreads, nor top townreads. That's his criteria, outside maybe helping us out if we request a certain person, is just how long they will be in the game. BTW this is proph's targeting motivation as well.
No, ghosting doesn't know. I think, that you are projecting your own knowledge of who is town and who is scum onto him. It only makes sense that you would consider the way in which to use the power would include knowledge you possess now.
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#legitGANGSTA
#legalizeit
Shadow's already tried to correct you, but you're either intentionally misconstruing what I said or know something the rest of us don't.
In a lylo situation - let's imagine 2 scum (both unlocked), ghosting, and 2 town (one unlocked, one not). Since the mass claim, it's not unreasonable to assume it's public knowledge who's unlocked and who's not, especially since ghosting knows whom he's targeted. In this situation the scum know it's 2-2-1. All they have to do is claim, and have ghosting hammer on the locked town, leaving only unlocked players alive and the game over for a scum victory. Ghosting's been hinting that his win con is unlocking every living player. But you could have figured this all out.
@mindreaver: I mean in general, I don't see scum motivation in general
@shadow: I don't know, is lazy town a thing?
@ghosting: do I have to beg for you win con? I know you're cooperating now, but it's not out of the realm of possibility for it to be advantageous for you to side with scum. Imagine a lylo situation where the only unlocked person was town. :|
so you might recall my adamant scum read on GJ early in the game. I sort of let go of that out of fear I was tunneling and he wasn't pinging other people's scumdars. But then towards the end of yesterDay I got a weird feeling about his reaction towards kosa. He waffled between "kosa is pretty lock town" to "kosa is lock town" to "kosa could be pulling one on us." It was apparent kosa was town, so why keep bringing it up? But I didn't remember shockwave blocked him.
Regarding INANN, I don't know man it's like where's the scum motivation? This was what really struck me. I couldn't fathom it coming from scum.
but then again I forgot about that cryptoclaim...
you do realize though that shadow confirming that I redirected proph to GJ really doesn't clear me? I mean I've explained my motivation for doing so, but that course of action would still make sense if I were scum and saw GJ as a threat wouldn't it? That you've so suddenly dropped your bloodlust for my lynch for no apparent reason is bizarre.
After our recent interactions, how can you possibly make the case that we're both scum?
And what makes you think MR is scum?
Why has my read changed from early in day 1 to well into day 3? well:
He's hardly done anything except tunnel me, so this sudden town read he has feels disingenuous (for what? because I redirected you to GJ?). And I don't buy his hopping onto Cythare. It sounded like he knew it was a mislynch all along.
@shadow: Was your 1-shot ability unlocked? Because if not that makes Mindreaver the only claimed true VT.
yeah, not following your reasoning here. moreover, walk me through your silver town-clear?
top 3 scum reads:
mindreaver
jackrito
zomg
Also I don't think vig shots should be majority-decided or announced. That's what lynching is. And it doesn't help us at all to understand the motivation of the vig.
And we should hang off on contacting kosa until after/if there is a vig kill and there's something more specific we can ask of greater use. We don't even know for sure if he gave it away.
I do, and I urge everyone to take a closer look at mindreaver.
I give my reason for wanting to know ghosting's win condition.
You misconstrue it to look like I was talking about night actions.
Shadow states what I obviously meant.
I clarify exactly what I meant: one conceivable situation where town loses but ghosting wins.
You dismiss that one conceivable situation, misconstruing it as the only possible situation where town loses but ghosting wins, arrived upon only because ghosting knows the scum team (because according to you I'm projecting there). Here's where it gets confusing for me.
Then you say shadow was coming to my rescue to cover my scumslip and ask that I clarify how I thought ghosting would know how to target only scum?
Did I get all that right?
Shadow's already tried to correct you, but you're either intentionally misconstruing what I said or know something the rest of us don't.
In a lylo situation - let's imagine 2 scum (both unlocked), ghosting, and 2 town (one unlocked, one not). Since the mass claim, it's not unreasonable to assume it's public knowledge who's unlocked and who's not, especially since ghosting knows whom he's targeted. In this situation the scum know it's 2-2-1. All they have to do is claim, and have ghosting hammer on the locked town, leaving only unlocked players alive and the game over for a scum victory. Ghosting's been hinting that his win con is unlocking every living player. But you could have figured this all out.
Vote: mindreaver
@mindreaver: I mean in general, I don't see scum motivation in general
@shadow: I don't know, is lazy town a thing?
@ghosting: do I have to beg for you win con? I know you're cooperating now, but it's not out of the realm of possibility for it to be advantageous for you to side with scum. Imagine a lylo situation where the only unlocked person was town. :|
Regarding INANN, I don't know man it's like where's the scum motivation? This was what really struck me. I couldn't fathom it coming from scum.