@hunt: why would you vote DV over Vaimes? There's no possible way DV could be scum and Vaimes town yet it is totally possible for Vaimes to be scum while DV is town. So why DV instead of Vaimes?
I haven't felt like this was scum!scarbo all game. I think it is misguided Scarbo. Maybe even rusty Scarbo. But he's been freaking neutral hunting the whole time. I have felt like this was a classic "too scum to be scum" instance. Clearing sounds like I have inside knowledge, or some mechanical way to confirm him. All I have is my gut on this one. I would be shocked if he ACTUALLY flipped scum after what he's put forth this game.
The thing I have not liked today from him has been his sudden thrusting of me into his bottom PoE. But, I can't say I'm surprised compared to the rest of the game. Seems about right actually.
No. I'm done being accused of neutral hunting. I had very explicit reasons for not trusting ghosting, and that wasn't neutral hunting. That was I-don't-believe-ghosting-and-I-think-he's-lying-scum. Now that those issues have been resolved, I've accepted him as neutral. And yes, maybe I am rusty. It has been over 3 years since my last game I think, but I don't think I've been bad at my reads.
@Scarbo:
Please read the first two pages of Vaimes' iso?
If you're town, I need your thoughts on his progression. Am I seeing things? Am I right?
If you're scum, you'll ignore me I guess.
you know what, quite possibly. stay tuned.
@hunt: why would you vote DV over Vaimes? There's no possible way DV could be scum and Vaimes town yet it is totally possible for Vaimes to be scum while DV is town. So why DV instead of Vaimes?
Er. Well, actually, you didn't want to lynch NewName on D1, then flipped on him D2 (you said there were two scum in NewName, Mindreaver, Shockwave), then 180'd on him again and condemned his wagon when it was tied with yours on D3?
I just need to go look at your read progression like I did Vaimes, I guess.
I only voted INANN because he was my counterwagon and I knew my alignment. If someone said they were going to vig me guess what I'd do: redirect them.
GJ was only a brief scum read, reignited by a bout of paranoia I've already explained. zomg is the only person I've been totally wrong about so far.
I'm really struggling to see how mindreaver CAN'T be scum. behaviorally he's been terrible. POE leads right to him. You'll probably need to share more details about this later.
I'm seeing Vaimes and INANN as basically the same- classic disengaged town. There's a difference between that and scum-lurking.
@DV: no, >I< redirected Proph N2 to GJ. He targeted me last night. I didn't redirect anyone. Proph is neutral. look elsewhere.
can someone remind me exactly what cleared silver to GJ? not doubting him, just can't find the details from his iso. role copping?
What about the scenario that you and Vaimes are scum together? Tracker and Goon.
wait... if DV is scum why would you believe his vanilla claim? You know DV is town, believe his claim, and just slipped in projecting that onto a scum-DV scenario.
ghosting already revealed that he left the game in post 896. I was just trying to see if he would forget and lie. he's clearly neutral, and so how the possible **** could I be scum with him and proph if shadow confirmed that I redirected proph to GJ???
Well that worked out great and only one idiot took the bait.
Scarbo can I get a T/S list from you?
I'm suddenly starting to think you are town.
with zomg's confirmation, I'm starting to second-guess myself on hunt. I think we're looking at a {mindreaver, jackrito, hunt} scum team. Vaimes is my only strong town read with you and silver close behind.
@vaimes: current scum/town-reads? why do you wish confirmation on me/hunt/mindreaver? are you having trouble reading us?
@ghosting: holy ***** I absolutely have no interest in wasting a lynch on you. since you for whatever reason refuse to state explicitly your win con, perhaps you could answer this: do you leave the game when you've fulfilled your win condition?
are you ******* serious guys? We REALLY needed to sort out this mess with ghosting.
how about stop dodging my question
I assume your referencing my moving you to the possible town pile? Im going to re-read you tonight but as of right now your in that pile because you can be verified tonight now that INNN is dead. I will give you a good post in the toMorrow
hunt, you need to respond to this.
No. I'm done being accused of neutral hunting. I had very explicit reasons for not trusting ghosting, and that wasn't neutral hunting. That was I-don't-believe-ghosting-and-I-think-he's-lying-scum. Now that those issues have been resolved, I've accepted him as neutral. And yes, maybe I am rusty. It has been over 3 years since my last game I think, but I don't think I've been bad at my reads.
you know what, quite possibly. stay tuned.
@hunt: why would you vote DV over Vaimes? There's no possible way DV could be scum and Vaimes town yet it is totally possible for Vaimes to be scum while DV is town. So why DV instead of Vaimes?
I'd go for Hunt instead of the winds turn that way, but jack makes much more sense than a double-voter don't you think?
I only voted INANN because he was my counterwagon and I knew my alignment. If someone said they were going to vig me guess what I'd do: redirect them.
GJ was only a brief scum read, reignited by a bout of paranoia I've already explained. zomg is the only person I've been totally wrong about so far.
I'm really struggling to see how mindreaver CAN'T be scum. behaviorally he's been terrible. POE leads right to him. You'll probably need to share more details about this later.
I'm seeing Vaimes and INANN as basically the same- classic disengaged town. There's a difference between that and scum-lurking.
@DV: no, >I< redirected Proph N2 to GJ. He targeted me last night. I didn't redirect anyone. Proph is neutral. look elsewhere.
can someone remind me exactly what cleared silver to GJ? not doubting him, just can't find the details from his iso. role copping?
Unvote
Vote: jackrito
because I'm trying to solve the game
excuse me?
>It basically confirms him from my PoV.
define basically
it makes no sense for a scum!Vaimes to clear a scum!DV. if either flipped the other would be instantly implicated.
wait... if DV is scum why would you believe his vanilla claim? You know DV is town, believe his claim, and just slipped in projecting that onto a scum-DV scenario.
lynch this ffs
with zomg's confirmation, I'm starting to second-guess myself on hunt. I think we're looking at a {mindreaver, jackrito, hunt} scum team. Vaimes is my only strong town read with you and silver close behind.
@ghosting: holy ***** I absolutely have no interest in wasting a lynch on you. since you for whatever reason refuse to state explicitly your win con, perhaps you could answer this: do you leave the game when you've fulfilled your win condition?
@proph: same question to you
@zomg: welcome to the town pile
entirely uninterested in anything you have to say that's not your win condition or why you've lied about unlocking zomg
@zomg: still waiting to hear why I'm suddenly on your town list
vig needs to claim who they killed and why because of reasons
Vote: mindreaver
What are you even talking about?