What did he claim first? Letter? I claimed long before he did (178 posts before: my claim, titus's claim, draygn claims consonant, dragyn makes a comment that now seems slightly suspicious, dragyn finally claims). Role through clues? If he does have the same role as me (and ostensibly titus), he wasn't the first to claim this, titus was. Draygn, after a perusal of each of his posts, has not made anything similar to such a claim. I won't say where the claims are, but I'm sure some people have picked up on them.
i do not know if it will be wise to say so, but you're missing dragyn's subliminal claim that i responded to. he has the same role as we do. (namewise, if you are what i am)
as for why there are 3 of us: hell, i don't know. we are all shamans, and our role name seems like it could be a comman shaman theme - despite the rarity of the letter 'v' in everyday speech, it's fallacious to assume that it is odd that it will be rare here - we are dealing with a much smaller pool of words/roles to choose from.
Okay, long review of the thread just completed and I have many impressions. Too many to post everything, in fact. But I'm going to give some of them just to leave a record in case I die during the night.
First of all, regarding StevieT. I don't think he's mafia. The primary basis comes from this post which he made very early in the thread:
I can't imagine what carrion could be that would be anti-town at this point, so I suggest we leave him alone.
I don't think that will work, because my subtype clearly indicates what i am.
srry for double post but forgot something about my role PM the actual name was in a color, but not sure wht it means
i do not understand why this lifts suspicion from him
also, i think the inane bandwagon seems to stem from the fact that everybody hates steve and his playstyle - it's a subconscious grudge.
fadeblue: is steve actually dead? did he have enough votes?
@titus- I have been looking at the list and noticed we share the same third letter. After a lot of thought, I still can't figure out the best way to use my ability. More than one person has to have a version of my ability, but I doubt that anyone has my ability exactly. Any ideas at all about how to work together? Does your ability seem strange? I know mine does. I'm not really sure what we're going to accomplish by doing this. Very soon we're going to have to pick someone to cleanse. I don't look forward to the choice at all. Next they'll ask us what our seventh letter is. Even then I think it will be hard to figure out what people are. Really, I'm sort of worried that the mafia have the same roles as the town, with the only difference being that they are "False".
oh dragyn, your jokes are so divine!
i don't know about the reasoning that because there are multiple letters, there must be liars afoot - there could just be a very small collection of roles, resulting in multiple people getting the same role. by this same taken, it seems that people who are alone in their group of letters are either liars or uber-power roles.
you're right, that sentance was terrible. far too late at night and i'm running on far too little sleep
essentially, each shaman type encompasses multiple mafia roles, and each particular shaman will express on facet of said role. thus, each 'v' role would have an ability that is similiar to one type of mafia role.
Enigma91 - A
AlphaInsidious - A
Armlx - A
Dazbog - A
Axelrod - E
Urban Druid - E
Pibbly - E
BlinkingSpirit - G
AuroraSparrow - O - Blocked last night
Musashi (deceased) - R
Silicon - R
Draygn Mage - V
Swinkee - V
Titus - V
Come on guys, claim. 4 nonclaimers is a very unlucky number for you.
Silicon is also "r," like musashi. I doubt he's a warrior, though.
Three Vs seem unusual. There aren't many words with V as the third letter, so you'd expect them to be identical since fadeblue had no idea this would happen. But I can't think of a V role that is balanced in triples or more.
I think one of them is lying, perhaps.
basementdwellers: I saw you reading. how about posting, eh.
titus needs to post too.
assuming that all 'v's have the same role, i can see how it can work. it seems there is a type of shaman for each archetypal mafia role, except each shaman role encompasses multiple mafia roles. that is to say, multiple facets to the same type of role
this is, of course, not entirely correct. unless you are living in a completely pre-determined existence, wherein all decisions have already been made beforehand, each moment brings with it a limitless amount of realities.
if one were to attempt to produce a working model of the universe, one has to take the limitless possible realities into consideration. just because "A" happened doesn't mean it will always happen when that identical situation arises again.
of course, this brings into question the idea of which way time flows. mathematics and physics don't actually seem to care which way time flows, only that it moves.
plastik beat me on this, but to reiterate: for every situation x => response y.
of course, x always has to be exactly identical
of course, this also seems to be the source of debate - whether or not randomness truely has an effect macroscopically
- the universe cannot "run out of energy" because energy cannot escape the universe. It can only be transformed into other forms of energy, or into matter. The inevatable, but statistic unlikely outcome (and however unlikely something is doesn't matter when you have infinity to come to this outcome) is that all energy in the universe is transformed into matter, and the matter will be stagnant because there is no more energy in the universe. The fact that when you have multiple masses, and the difference in location somehow creates potential gravitational energy doesn't help however.
So the universe will never "run out" of energy.
yes, but by this same token (assuming near-constant expansion of the universe), it will eventually 'cool down' to a point where, for all intents and purposes, there will not be enough energy in a single area to do anything. there will always be the same amount of energy in the unvierse, right? (closed system) - this means that as the universe expands, this set amount of energy will be stretched over a larger and larger area, eventually getting to a point where, essentially, the universe will be universally (hehe) cool.
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of course, this runs into the problem of infinite probability. at any given moment, there are an infinite number of possible choices that could be made, and each choice that could be made creates a possible future. knowing what choices will be made ahead of time creates a pre-determined universe in which the programmer is omniscient and omnipresent.
but what we're saying is that 'choice' is, in fact, an illusion - what happened would always happen that way, unless the antecedent changes. all those millions of choices are therefore irrelevant.
your assumption is correct if there are set laws which govern the universe in all cases. currently, we see quantum motion as essentially random (we havn't been able to determine an order to it); the tricky thing is that this random motion results in uniform laws which most particles seem to follow all of the time.
now, i've thought of something like this on a more macroscopic scale - the nonexistence of free will. basically, when you are put in situation x, you will always react with response a to any given situation x. no matter what. even though you may appear to have choices w, y, and z, you will always do y, showing that the 'choice' in and of itself is an illusion. however, you must remember that situation x is very specific, down to the most minute detail (eg, as you put it, particle positions); consequently, the slightest change to situation x changes it to situation a, and the response may no longer be response y.
Well, you know, since part of the thread was concerned with the difficulty of standardized tests, it was actually relevant in illustrating the insane easiness of some tests. But if your insecurity in your own scores made you hostile, I understand.
oh, you know me. quite the fool, if i must say so myself. but if we're going around waving our e-penises around, i scored 2320 on the new SAT and 1550 on the old one.
but as fadeblue has illustrated before, the SAT is not a true aptitude test - differentiation seems to be the paramount goal.
however, fadeblue, the state tests (WASL, MAT, ITED etc) aren't as difficult as the SAT. i've heard from several classmates of average or below average intelligence that both the WASL and SAT were quite difficult, just not insurmountably so.
According to collegeboard numbers, the average math score had increased but the average verbal score had decreased over the period 1992-2002. Whether this is due to changes in the difficulty of the test or performance of the students is unclear (although I still disagree with the SAT's ability to actually test aptitude accurately).
I'm not sure how the new SAT will measure up to the old one, but I have heard that it is easier (with the simplified verbal portion).
having taken both multiple times, i am of the opinion that they are of comparable difficulty - the math is still relatively easy (a solid grasp on basic trig will give you a 700+), and the reading is still, well, reading. it's hard to say that there has been a significant increase or decrease in difficulty.
Standardized tests are, for the most part, sickeningly easy. The last one I took, the SAT's, I took on 3 cups of coffee after having been awake for 3 days straight...and I got a 2290(for those of you who aren't in highschool, they changed the SAT's, making the maximum score 2400, not 1600; they added an essay and dropped the analogies, among other things).
We had problems similar to the ones that ControlMagic mentioned. Our school was almost put on the Federal Watch List(ala No Child Left Behind) because of poor scoring by special ed students. The problem was, they were getting the same tests as everyone else, with no consideration for their disabilities.
Prizm- Eh? I never would have guessed...
oh thanks for letting the internet know your score on the SAT; it really helped the thread
on standardized testing: the WASL (washington assesment of student learning) is the standardized teast for washington state. it consisted of 2 english/reading comprehension, 2 math (with and without tools), 2 essay, and 2 science sections - most of the material was east, basic (middle school) knowledge.
standardized testing, it seems, is a necessary evil - there is not one other way to efficiently test a large group of students.
aurasparrow: i don't understand, BSD isn't voting for urban druid.
also, now that we've started this whole letter claiming thing, why can't we just keep going with it? only 5 or 6 people havn't claimed a letter, one of them being the instigator of said plan.
also, i think the reasoning that because a certain letter is most common means that it is vanilla is pretty bullocks - a and e are very common letters in the english language, thus it would be more rational to assume they would appear more often.
i do not know if it will be wise to say so, but you're missing dragyn's subliminal claim that i responded to. he has the same role as we do. (namewise, if you are what i am)
as for why there are 3 of us: hell, i don't know. we are all shamans, and our role name seems like it could be a comman shaman theme - despite the rarity of the letter 'v' in everyday speech, it's fallacious to assume that it is odd that it will be rare here - we are dealing with a much smaller pool of words/roles to choose from.
i do not understand why this lifts suspicion from him
also, i think the inane bandwagon seems to stem from the fact that everybody hates steve and his playstyle - it's a subconscious grudge.
fadeblue: is steve actually dead? did he have enough votes?
what are you talking about
oh dragyn, your jokes are so divine!
i don't know about the reasoning that because there are multiple letters, there must be liars afoot - there could just be a very small collection of roles, resulting in multiple people getting the same role. by this same taken, it seems that people who are alone in their group of letters are either liars or uber-power roles.
you're right, that sentance was terrible. far too late at night and i'm running on far too little sleep
essentially, each shaman type encompasses multiple mafia roles, and each particular shaman will express on facet of said role. thus, each 'v' role would have an ability that is similiar to one type of mafia role.
assuming that all 'v's have the same role, i can see how it can work. it seems there is a type of shaman for each archetypal mafia role, except each shaman role encompasses multiple mafia roles. that is to say, multiple facets to the same type of role
plastik beat me on this, but to reiterate: for every situation x => response y.
of course, x always has to be exactly identical
of course, this also seems to be the source of debate - whether or not randomness truely has an effect macroscopically
yes, but by this same token (assuming near-constant expansion of the universe), it will eventually 'cool down' to a point where, for all intents and purposes, there will not be enough energy in a single area to do anything. there will always be the same amount of energy in the unvierse, right? (closed system) - this means that as the universe expands, this set amount of energy will be stretched over a larger and larger area, eventually getting to a point where, essentially, the universe will be universally (hehe) cool.
but what we're saying is that 'choice' is, in fact, an illusion - what happened would always happen that way, unless the antecedent changes. all those millions of choices are therefore irrelevant.
that's not the question - tis a red herring
now, i've thought of something like this on a more macroscopic scale - the nonexistence of free will. basically, when you are put in situation x, you will always react with response a to any given situation x. no matter what. even though you may appear to have choices w, y, and z, you will always do y, showing that the 'choice' in and of itself is an illusion. however, you must remember that situation x is very specific, down to the most minute detail (eg, as you put it, particle positions); consequently, the slightest change to situation x changes it to situation a, and the response may no longer be response y.
oh, you know me. quite the fool, if i must say so myself. but if we're going around waving our e-penises around, i scored 2320 on the new SAT and 1550 on the old one.
but as fadeblue has illustrated before, the SAT is not a true aptitude test - differentiation seems to be the paramount goal.
however, fadeblue, the state tests (WASL, MAT, ITED etc) aren't as difficult as the SAT. i've heard from several classmates of average or below average intelligence that both the WASL and SAT were quite difficult, just not insurmountably so.
having taken both multiple times, i am of the opinion that they are of comparable difficulty - the math is still relatively easy (a solid grasp on basic trig will give you a 700+), and the reading is still, well, reading. it's hard to say that there has been a significant increase or decrease in difficulty.
oh thanks for letting the internet know your score on the SAT; it really helped the thread
on standardized testing: the WASL (washington assesment of student learning) is the standardized teast for washington state. it consisted of 2 english/reading comprehension, 2 math (with and without tools), 2 essay, and 2 science sections - most of the material was east, basic (middle school) knowledge.
standardized testing, it seems, is a necessary evil - there is not one other way to efficiently test a large group of students.
also, now that we've started this whole letter claiming thing, why can't we just keep going with it? only 5 or 6 people havn't claimed a letter, one of them being the instigator of said plan.
also, i think the reasoning that because a certain letter is most common means that it is vanilla is pretty bullocks - a and e are very common letters in the english language, thus it would be more rational to assume they would appear more often.