@titus, your post is confusing. In your list, you say that your investigation showed alpha is not a peacekeeper, but in your paragraph after that, you say that the investigation revealed he was a peacekeeper. Also, I assume that when you say "night two" and "night three" you mean game nights three and four, since Urban's fog blocked the other diviners on night two, and I would assume that it affected you as well.
my post was riddled with misleading statements (i read gud hurr)
Okay,
Clarification please. Is this a typo, or does your investigation actually contradict Alpha's claim?
crap, sorry, that was a typo. i changed the list around (formatting) and copy/pasted his name for it. he was a peacekeeper. i can't believe i missed that (i read my post like 3 times)
Titus' role doesn't appear very mafia-like either at first glance. Knowing all the role-names would seem to give the mafia a huge leg up in locating the Talisman. It's not exactly a great town ability either, however, since he's never going to "catch" someone in a lie. No one has to lie in this game. I would definately like to hear who he "checked out" for the last few nights.
apologies all, i've been grounded these past two weeks so computer access has been sporadic.
here we go-
night one - alphainsidious + sealer = no
night two - alphainsidious + peacekeeper = no
night three - puzzle + protector = yes
night one i tried to determine which 'a' role alpha was (seeing as we had multiple roles/people in the 'a' group)
night two i, again, checked on alpha. turns out he was a peacekeeper.
night three i wanted to check if puzzle was, in fact, a protector. he was.
my role is pretty much useless, unfortuantly. we know nearly everyone's roles, and all i can do is confirm/deny whether they are that role (and i can't even guess the same role twice in a row). the reason i didn't tell everyone about my list of roles earlier was because there was one role which i didn't want to get out (sacred guard). i was pressed to claim, so i had to reveal my list.
on this whole plan thing: axel's seems to make a lot more sense than armlx's. am i just missing the math or something? let me reread both and get back to you.
That said, I think we need to hear from all the suspects before lynching anyone, in particular Titus, who should now give us the full results of his investigations from day 1. If he is town, he probably won't make it through next night.
i suppose it's time to roleclaim, then - i have a role similar to the one i had in mafia mafia. i have a list of all the roles (just the roles) and can try to 'match' someone with their role during the night. i find out if they are or if they are not, indeed, that role.
seeing as nearly everyone has roleclaimed, this ability is fairly useless.
Ok, finally caught up. Here we go. I came up mostly empty. I played a hunch and it didn't pan out. I cannot confirm swinkee's sanity or daz's or puzzle's true-ness (not yet anyway). Because we need to figure out if swinkee is insane or not and puzzle has been more helpful, I have to vote daz I'm sorry man, but I had to make a choice between the 2 of you and we have to nail another mafia asap before we shrink our numbers too much. What I was able to divine is that musashi was indeed our vig, not the cop. I think there must be another vig out there though, as he was a 1 shot wonder. If we got a free doc, I'm going to ask for protection tonight to see what i can dig up on the mafia.
is your 'cop-ability' based on roles/rolenames? just answer yes or no, don't ability claim.
also, the town only has one clear course of action - unless, of course, we want to flounder around for a week and come to a tentative conclusion. vote daz
Well, this sounds like very good news indeed. Now if we could just get some kind of confirmation of Swinkee. But, then again, if no one else is coming out as our "true" Cop, it just might be Swinkee. And if Daz is guilty, of course, that goes a long way towards clearing him.
So Azrael was town, but he lied about his Vowel. Sometimes I just don't get him. I will give Daz his "chance" to post a defense, but I'm not seeing what he could say that would be different from what he said yesterday. And his post above is highly suspicious. Not at all what I would expect from someone falsely accused.
Mainly I'm waiting now to give everyone else a chance to chime in. I especially would like to hear from the other Diviners--Draygn and Titus. Did you guys get any useful information? I suppose you shouldn't say if it would give away too much.
"Tracker" sounds like it could have been a Cop role, which would be extremely unfortunate as that would leave no one to counter-claim Swinkee. But it could also just be a "watcher" type role. Or a role having something to do with the Talisman. So probably not too much point in speculating about it, unless someone has the ability to specifically find out what it is--or what Az did with it.
i didn't learn anything that we don't already know
also, swinkee might be a 'random' cop - that is to say, his investigations tell us nothing. if daz is actually scum, then we might not know with puzzle. if daz is town, then, again, we don't know what to do with puzzle.
Odd that this would be your only reason, considering that BMD has an almost ironclad case against him, and that his role is incredibly dangerous to the town if he is scum. Are YOU scum, just trying to distance yourself?
if his case is so ironclad, why bother to add to it? unvote, vote BMD
You hit the nail right on the head: 3 cops just seems to be too much unless there were some alterations, such as with sanity. Two regular cops would be sort of the limit for a game of this size, in my view.
yea but neither dragyn nor i are 'true' cops - just 'information in general' roles. this would be a balance, i'd assume
They are, however, all investigators of some form or another. Theory: Fadeblue balanced them by giving them limitations. The false diviner, who has a scummy ability, guessed, hence swinkee's claim of a full investigation ability.
How does this contradict my theory? The scum, seeing V and knowing there is a rolename "diviner," are still going to be able to fill in the blanks pretty well, even if their diviner has no ability at all.
but the two choices presented (cop with/without restrictions) are far too limiting - i don't really fit into either mold, but my ability still relates to my name.
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With Axel's analysis, Puzzle's looking worse and worse. I read the quoted posts as pretty emphatic attempts to find the O. However, Dazbog seems the safest lynch now. He's been definitively exposed as having an apparently scummy ability that none of his compatriots have admitted to sharing. Beyond that, his lynch will strengthen the peacekeeper group if I'm reading their ability correctly, even if he's town.
He's close to lynch, though, and I don't want to end the day just yet, so I'm not going to vote him now. Consider this a "ghost vote" that will become real once we've had more discussion (provided, of course, I still feel this way).
i agree that puzzle is very scummy, and i agree shouldn't lynch him now, simply because he might be our last 'true' doctor. an inspection will clear it all up, and will give us a plan for tomorrow.
Even if, in fact, there aren't only five townie roles, why would the mafia have to know every single role in order for this to be an effective plan? If there's just a false protector, peacekeeper, and, say, seer, and they see a townie O, a couple of A's, and an E, that's still quite the coup for the scum.
but as it stands it seems that people who the same role name may not have the same ability (the three diviners seem to be an example of this)
Puzzle, do I understand you to be claiming a back-up Doc role? You had no ability until Sparrow died and then you became the Doc?
So who did you protect?
My only problem is that back-up Doc is an excellent Scum claim. And I do seem to recall you delaying before declaring your letter. My concern is that if you were a false protector, and the mafia had all night one to plan for day one, your "letter-claim" plan might have been a way for you to ferret out the true protector, while at the same time establishing that there was no other protector in the game.
This is not an accusation. Fact is, that if the mafia do have roles that mirror the town as we now believe, the letter claim plan hurt us more than it helped us. The mafia would/should have known this from the beginning. I'm going to have to go back and read the thread (again) to see how you played this role.
Also, Daz: as long as you are still alive answer me this, what did you do night one?
but if we assume there to be 5 or so mafia, how would they know what the rest of the roles were? this is also assuming that there aren't mafia with different names and that there are only 5 townie roles. just seems a bit to chicken little for me.
my post was riddled with misleading statements (i read gud hurr)
but yes, what you've pointed out in the case.
just to add to my previous post - showing that it was in fact a typo, not a mafia error.
crap, sorry, that was a typo. i changed the list around (formatting) and copy/pasted his name for it. he was a peacekeeper. i can't believe i missed that (i read my post like 3 times)
apologies all, i've been grounded these past two weeks so computer access has been sporadic.
here we go-
night one - alphainsidious + sealer = no
night two - alphainsidious + peacekeeper = no
night three - puzzle + protector = yes
night one i tried to determine which 'a' role alpha was (seeing as we had multiple roles/people in the 'a' group)
night two i, again, checked on alpha. turns out he was a peacekeeper.
night three i wanted to check if puzzle was, in fact, a protector. he was.
my role is pretty much useless, unfortuantly. we know nearly everyone's roles, and all i can do is confirm/deny whether they are that role (and i can't even guess the same role twice in a row). the reason i didn't tell everyone about my list of roles earlier was because there was one role which i didn't want to get out (sacred guard). i was pressed to claim, so i had to reveal my list.
on this whole plan thing: axel's seems to make a lot more sense than armlx's. am i just missing the math or something? let me reread both and get back to you.
i suppose it's time to roleclaim, then - i have a role similar to the one i had in mafia mafia. i have a list of all the roles (just the roles) and can try to 'match' someone with their role during the night. i find out if they are or if they are not, indeed, that role.
seeing as nearly everyone has roleclaimed, this ability is fairly useless.
for reference, here are the roles i know:
Diviner
High Keeper
Peacekeeper
Protector
Sacred Guard
Sealer
Seer
Tracker
Warrior
as to whom i inspected: let me get the list, i'll add it in my upcoming post.
is your 'cop-ability' based on roles/rolenames? just answer yes or no, don't ability claim.
also, the town only has one clear course of action - unless, of course, we want to flounder around for a week and come to a tentative conclusion. vote daz
i didn't learn anything that we don't already know
also, swinkee might be a 'random' cop - that is to say, his investigations tell us nothing. if daz is actually scum, then we might not know with puzzle. if daz is town, then, again, we don't know what to do with puzzle.
this is a tricky situation.
if his case is so ironclad, why bother to add to it? unvote, vote BMD
yea but neither dragyn nor i are 'true' cops - just 'information in general' roles. this would be a balance, i'd assume
i like the cut of your jib
but the two choices presented (cop with/without restrictions) are far too limiting - i don't really fit into either mold, but my ability still relates to my name.
i agree that puzzle is very scummy, and i agree shouldn't lynch him now, simply because he might be our last 'true' doctor. an inspection will clear it all up, and will give us a plan for tomorrow.
with that said, vote daz
but as it stands it seems that people who the same role name may not have the same ability (the three diviners seem to be an example of this)
but if we assume there to be 5 or so mafia, how would they know what the rest of the roles were? this is also assuming that there aren't mafia with different names and that there are only 5 townie roles. just seems a bit to chicken little for me.