Heh. Well so much for cunning plans, but what good has ever come of those? Seriously, it's not to late to call the mass claim off, lynch SorryGuy, and forget this madness ever happened.
@My Clan: Any time you're ready to claim, go ahead. I doubt there's any way of stopping this.
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Jan 30, 2006Cycle Lay Waste at end of turn.Posted in: Forum Magic
Hand: 9 (from two Mikokoro activations)
Life: Still 18, I think.
Untap, Upkeep, Draw (10)
Main Phase: Play Sneak Attack (9). Activate Sneak Attack for Crosis, the Purger (8).
Declare an attack phase. Responses?
Jan 30, 2006Posted in: Mafia
Where did that idea come from? Are you the SK?Quote from Chimpanzee »I think we should claim clanmates and not clan names yet. That way if the SK's win condition is "eliminate the the Called" (or some other clan) we don't make the game too easy for them. Once the SK is dead we can clan name claim in order of overall clan scumminess.
I'm shocked! I'm not convinced about the claim to begin with, but I have to start it? Hellfire and damnation. This may be an "on pain of death" scenario, where I claim or die, because I am not inclined to do what I'm told, especialy by someone I'm sure is not town.Quote from sgdre »I want abandon to claim first, and then to pick the next claimer, as I previously stated.
Jan 30, 2006Posted in: Mafia
I agree with you that SorryGuy seems anti-town, but thats not the direct cause and effect relationship you cited when you voted for him. Hence the FOS.Quote from mystery meat of doom »Alot of things SorryGuy has said before doesn't sit well with me. This only cinches the fact that I don't think he's pro-town (okay, he could be cult leader or soemthing).
As for the other points you made, I just can't refute them. All I have now is my gut instinct that mass claims are bad. Prizm is not an idiot, there is something to mess this all up. I'm not sure of it, but I am terrified of it. Again, I'll go with the mass claim willingly if that's what the town wants, but I'm against it on principle.
Sorry about the clam last post. Did you know that giant clams of the arctic variety can grow to be over 300 years old? I read it at least ten years ago, so don't lynch me if I'm wrong.
Jan 30, 2006Posted in: MafiaQuote from mystery meat of doom »Then you're nuetral or mafia. I'm going with mafia.
Oh my. Where do we go from here? The game certainly seems breakable, but I think it's a step too far to start lynching everyone without a clan. Ever since we learned we could trust our clanmates, I've been far more worried about neutrals than the mafia.
If the clam continues, we'll probably be able to take out the mafia eventually. But in the mean time we'll probably find alot of our power roles in individuals without clans. Especially the cop. They'll most likely die. Lynching the individual clans could take a while and have a serious cost. In the mean time, the serial killer runs wild, and a cult could grow. The mafia no longer factor into severely negative scenarios, but neutrals do.
The way I see it, a mass claim will definitly give us the mafia, eventually. But it doesn't win us the game. So I say no mass claim. Not today at least. However, I won't refuse if a mass claim is the town's decision. Instead of being solely negative, the mass claim would just make things... different.
@MMoD: Good grief, have some patience. I'll post if I see fit, but only after thinking things through. You should take time to do so as well. unFOS: Chimpanzee (it was old) FOS: mystery meat of doom. Slow down. Please.
Jan 30, 2006Posted in: Mafia
Information usually best helps the mafia, because whatever information the town has gained, the mafia can add their private info about who is and isn't mafia. In this case, with a potential threat coming from possibly mulitiple neutrals, that advantage is lessened. But not enough to make a mass claim safe.Quote from "lil akroma »I suppose if we do a mass-claim it comes down to who uses the information the most effectively.
I've been voting for sgdre for eons (post 88), it's not surprising you missed it.Quote from rianalnn »Please let me know if my notes are incorrect
Jan 29, 2006Posted in: MafiaQuote from sgdre »I think that we should claim the clan that we are in.
Clanmates will become obv.
I think that Abandon hope should start, and that whoever claims should pick the next to claim. Agreed?
I thought I made it perfectly clear that I wasn't going along with anymore of your crazy plans. However, things have changed, so this takes some thought.
(What happens after we all claim clans? How do we know which clan is mafia? We test them one by one. It doesn't matter if we miss a few times, in the end all the mafia will die.
If the mafia was the only threat I was worried about, it would seem like a good idea. But consider the serial killer, a cult, and other neutrals and things get messy. Prism isn't an idiot, it isn't this easy. In the end I'm still against a mass claim.)
Nope, I don't like the logic of it. It looks good on the surface, but it will hurt us all. Plus I'm not following sgdre's plans anymore. Just like I predicted, he's pushed a mass claim back to vialbility (albeit with help from Prizm). There should be no mass claim, so I do not agree.
Jan 29, 2006Its like this Alpha. I find myself unable to convince the town of what seems obvious to me. Allowing sgdre to call the shots is very dangerous. The fact that his assertation of a hunch can put me in this situation fills me with despair. I am convinced he is not acting with the best interests of the town in mind.Posted in: Mafia
Therefore, I refuse to play along with sgdre's plans any longer. I shouldn't have gone with the Jobie claim, but I didn't want to die. My mind has changed. If this brings my death, the town is in dire enough straights that it needs my death as confirmation of my motivation. If it comes to that point, I can better help the town dead than alive. I just hope my clan can get through the sadness.
Just so my point of view is perfectly clear, I repeat. Pushing for information on day one is more likely to help the mafia than the town. Sgdre pushed for Jobies claim, pushed for a mass claim but then backed down, and is currently pushing for a claim that with his guidance could bring a mass claim back into viability. He's trying to kill us all.
I asked for him to be lynched awhile ago, but the town is firmly with him, and nothing much happened. Conversly, judging from your post Alpha, things could get dangerous for me quickly. Its the sign of a dangerous mentality, about which something must be done.
I am going to sleep now. I don't want to die. I am aware of the possibility however. Please don't lynch me before I wake.
Jan 29, 2006Thanks for the support 'lil Akroma and ikerr, but I'm sure I'll be just a bit more unpopular after this.Posted in: Mafia
I am reasonably sure my clan is clean, due to my PM. I see no reason to bother Prizm about something I think I already know. Besides, bothering the mod for more information seems just a little presumptious. I'm not doing it.
You go poke the sleeping dragon in the eye.
Jan 28, 2006No responses here, just glad to see that artifact die.Posted in: Forum Magic
Edit: Wait... now I have eight cards. I don't want to discard so I'll play Maze of Ith (7).
Cycle: Macetail Hystrodon
Now pass turn.
Permanents: Maze of Ith, Library of Alexandria. Graveyard: Wheel of Fortune, Wreak Havoc, Macetail Hystrodon.
Jan 27, 2006Well, this is getting out of hand quickly. I suppose that's my fault, sorry.Posted in: Forum Magic
Untap, Upkeep, Draw (7).
Main Phase: Activate Library of Alexandria (8).
Play: Wreak Havoc targeting the Quicksilver Amulet (7).
I'll have more after I see what Alfred does in response.
Jan 26, 2006Posted in: MafiaQuote from Enigma91 »On to the game, and more specifically the mini claim. I'm just going to put out there that I think there is a ton of assumptions being made which is probably not a good idea. It may seem to us that these claims mean nothing, and I can't think of a conceivable way they could help the mafia but I want to remind everyone what happens when we give out the "right" info(go look at shaman mafia). However I am going to say I agree with this claim, because it will help fuel a bit of disscussion and we will have us some info to work with so I AM NOT IN JOBIES CLAN.
Heh. Forgive me, I only thought that this paragraph was a statement against softclaiming. My bad. :redface:
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