You think I'm heckling? Quit being evasive. If you can articulate your suspicions, do so. Or admit you cannot and you had nothing. In fact, I'd like to see your top three suspects and WHY you suspect them.
If you thought someone was scum, and I also supported the idea without giving reasons, would that invalidate your position? Not that I haven't given reasons. You're just having trouble with the idea that I'm not going to go back and quote a bunch of people in a post of doom.
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Call it a dreadnought? Sure. But the Xyre wagon had more thought and dialogue put into it than most successful townie wagons, and painting it as some kind of travesty against good mafia play is a fairly colored read. Perhaps an opportunistic one.
Overposting, or research as it is called these days, is anyone's weapon. It was a mislynch, and considering the grounds and what Xyre actually got lynched for, its more than plausible that the mafia were very, very involved.
I asked "why". I didn't ask what it does or doesn't look like. Just "why". I don't care if you're interested in explaining or not. If you don't, I will assume you are making baseless accusations and hiding behind a wall of hostility, neither of which makes me feel you're working in the interests of the town.
Is that all then? I've been heckled this entire time for something I answered that half the thread ago? Indiscriminate opportunism. Pleased to be done with this nonsense.
I also anticipate that the mafia had/has hopes of putting pressure on me after the Xyre lynch. Encouraging the town to bounce back and forth between mislynches while the scum sit idly by is a very common scum pasttime. I would not be surprised to see some players voicing that idea in usually forceful terms to have ulterior motives. *cough zasz cough*
I also think that the end-of-day Xyre wagon votes are likely telling. Both last-minute switches, and determined abstentions, are points of interest for me. Both strike me as stances that were likely to be appealing to mafia.
It looks to me you did exactly that. As for the end of day, there were a bunch of people faced with no good decision (including myself) after a slow frustrating day culminating in a ridiculous conclusion. Erratic behavior is not surprising. Maybe we should look at who pushed us to that point?
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*buzzer sound*
If you say "I think we should lynch X. I think X is scum." or similiar statements, and X requests to see your case, X has made a reasonable request. Failure to comply is at best unhelpful, and at worst scummy. It isn't "put up or shut up", it's put up period. It isn't enough to know your position on a player, we need to know why.
So...why WoD?
*crosses arms*
*taps foot*
There isn't a case before WoD requests it. There are reasons, usually very simple reasons, but not a series of quotes with a description of the situation, a explanation of possible motivations, and a conclusion. I'm not interested in spending the time making that.
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A request for you to actually state some solid opinions on someone - anyone - is not reasonable?
What is it with you and reasonable requests? This is at least the second time I've seen you refuse someone something simple. It's as if you're making an effort to provide nothing to anyone. Why do this?
I think my previous post points out why it isn't a reasonable request.
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Also, AH what do you gain by that?
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
@Zasz: Ouch. That was inaccurate and a very convenient way to discredit me.
You've gone off the wagon WoD. You need validation I don't have.
You're not in any danger of being lynched. You don't need to defend yourself. But you need to show the game I'm scummy, and you need my evidence to do that. You made a decision without that evidence. That should be enough.
Which is it? Am I scum and you need nothing more? Do you need more evidence before you make a decision?
I'm awake, and not much has changed. I feel like it would be blind to vote WoD again. That's not going anywhere, despite evidence suggesting it should. I'm not particularly confident on any of my other reads, so looking for someone else worth a vote. I would be happy if someone volunteered.
And you have been asked by multiple players that are not me to provide reasons for your suspicion of me.
Why won't you do it? "i played with wod once and this isn't his town play!!!!" means nothing unless you provide examples.
Or can't you support your suspicions with fact?
You mean why didn't I drown the thread in examples and minutia? Because I ddin't want to. All it accomplishes is stretching people thin to the point that they'll consider Xyre because it seems like the only other option than a no lynch. That is exactly where we don't want to be. That's how we lose.
The "I played with" thing wasn't even my primary issue with you. It's not what I found suspicious. But when somebody brought it up, I found that it matched my experience. I'm sorry you ran into my refusal to do research, but I've been here before, and it's just not worth the time.
@kpaca: That was funny. You should try making a case where I'm scum instead of a case where I'm annoying. One you're not going to find, the other you'll always find.
If you can give us that, it would be more than you've said all game.
Top three sure, no reasons. Throwing a couple one liners for Az and Ande to chew on isn't helping anyone. I'm not interested in making a long case when there is a far better suspect.
WoD
Azrael
Andelijah (primarily for Charm Master's play)
I've given you a viable alternative, or more accurately I've supported a more viable alternative. I'm not surprised you're not a fan.
@AH: Your sarcastic retort is not helpful. Would you care to provide any input of your own, or do I understand right that you intend to let the "analysts" do all the work?
Please reread my post without a sarcastic tone. None was intended.
The problem here is that we have a significant divide in the player base; we have several analysts in the game now and several people who can't be bothered to post. I can see both sides of the argument involving Kraj and Andelijah, I don't think Xyre is scum, and PM has vastly improved my opinion from his predecessor.
My list of suspects is now quite narrow: Netfinity and Abandon Hope. The former for taking what seems to be an artificial shot at Azrael, then mostly agreeing with what he's said, and a number of "back later" posts. The latter for his complete and utter lack of anything regarding content.
You're right. It's a problem that maintains itself. The more vociferous good analysts are, the less the can't be bothered crowd has to say. I could repeat myself, but I'm not in love with my own words. Most of the dead horses we're beating fall into the category of interesting things I don't have any support for. My content then becomes shutting up and letting things take their course. Good for you for noticing, but if you could just have put the two things together.
Overposting, or research as it is called these days, is anyone's weapon. It was a mislynch, and considering the grounds and what Xyre actually got lynched for, its more than plausible that the mafia were very, very involved.
@Zasz: Ouch. That was inaccurate and a very convenient way to discredit me.
You're not in any danger of being lynched. You don't need to defend yourself. But you need to show the game I'm scummy, and you need my evidence to do that. You made a decision without that evidence. That should be enough.
Which is it? Am I scum and you need nothing more? Do you need more evidence before you make a decision?
The "I played with" thing wasn't even my primary issue with you. It's not what I found suspicious. But when somebody brought it up, I found that it matched my experience. I'm sorry you ran into my refusal to do research, but I've been here before, and it's just not worth the time.
@kpaca: That was funny. You should try making a case where I'm scum instead of a case where I'm annoying. One you're not going to find, the other you'll always find.
WoD
Azrael
Andelijah (primarily for Charm Master's play)
I've given you a viable alternative, or more accurately I've supported a more viable alternative. I'm not surprised you're not a fan.
This is not surprising.