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    posted a message on Jenny McCarthy comes to the View - Public Health as a whole cringes in Terror
    Quote from bLatch
    While I think people who don't get vaccinated are idiots and mostly self centered jerks, it's also a bodily autonomy issue.

    The government shouldn't be able to force you to have a medical procedure against your will. Granted, the government should be able to then prevent you from doing things that would elevate the risk for others, but it shouldn't be able to actually force you to have the vaccination.

    It's well-established that the government can compel you to do things for the sake of public health. Remember Typhoid Mary?

    Quote from Wraith223
    You guys are missing a few points. While I do get one vaccination (Tetnus); the rest do nothing or harm me.

    I'm sorry, but while you have unique circumstances (as you mention below), your experience is the tiny, tiny exception, not the rule.

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    There is a large number of people who are having issues with vaccinations. Any of you remeber swine flu? ALOT of people took the vaccination and had symptoms similar to polio (legs failed to respond).

    The risk of significant symptoms from the flu vaccine is [url=http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm]one or two cases per million, an incidence which is far, far less than the percentage who die from infectious flu. More to the point, no recent studies have backed up the claim made by some anti-vaccination advocates that the current H1N1 vaccine causes major problems.

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    Now they are severely harmed by new flu shots and have to get doctors slips to avoid being forced to get the shots in certain jobs. I have to get one cause of Gene translocation syndrome.

    A variety of things cause people to be unable to take vaccines. This is the reason it's so important that everyone else take theirs; your safety is directly correlated to the number of infected people you come into contact with.

    Quote from Wraith223 »
    Hell, many common drugs do nothing to me or just give me the runs (Viccodine, Allergy meds, other sedatives during dental work and stuff I am affriad to be perscribed). I had the flu vaccine a few times, and I got the flu anyway a few days later!

    No vaccine is 100% effective. What it definitely does is make it substantially less likely that you will develop it.

    Quote from Wraith223 »
    A school forced me to get the Heppatitis shots and I was sick for weeks after. Never got Hep., but I could have lived without missing a simester. I rarely get sick anyway, but alergies kick my ass.

    Correlation != causation

    Quote from Wraith223 »
    Immunizations are not neccessarly the end all. Multiple flu (or other viruses) strains can make the process pointless.

    They're not pointless at all. The whole point of seasonal flu vaccines is to vaccinate you against those flu strains which are predicted to be most common in the upcoming season. Of course you can't stop every strain, but stopping the great majority of cases is still a major win.

    Quote from Wraith223 »
    The best immunization process you can prsonally do is regular excercise, being properly hydraided, not drinking out of water fountains, washing your hands frequently while on the town, and eating a well balenced diet.

    What Valarin/Brandon said.

    Quote from Wraith223 »
    Since I started working out everyday, my allergies are significantlt less and sick days have been gone. My secret weapon is also grape juice (100%) and mix it with half/half with water.

    Allergies are not viral.
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    posted a message on State of Florida v Zimmerman
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    Wouldn't this make Obama white in America too?

    9 out of 10 white Mississippians would disagree.

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    I think this verdict is a crock of ****, and a travesty of justice. It institutionalizes a world where people of color have to be constantly obsequious to non-colored people, even when it's scary men approaching them in the middle of the night with a gun.
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    posted a message on State of Florida v Zimmerman
    Quote from Jimbo
    racism isn't a huge problem.

    You might have a different opinion if your name were Tracy Martin--or, hell, Rodney King.
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    posted a message on State of Florida v Zimmerman
    Quote from JackintheBox
    No its easier to be acquitted when the evidence supports the accused's version of events.

    What evidence, exactly? The fact that the defendant was wounded, and...?
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    posted a message on State of Florida v Zimmerman
    Quote from bLatch
    I don't think he was asking about what would have happened 50 years ago...

    No, but people ought to, because...

    Quote from bLatch »
    But, if this was anything other than a white guy who killed a black teenager (all other facts being identical) this would not have made nearly as much news. There's no question about that.

    ...right now, if it were a black guy who killed a white kid, there would be no national organizations pouring money into his defense, no media circus, and no presumption of innocence. He'd be railroaded through the system.

    But because this kid was black, and this guy was white, everyone's talking about how reasonable it was for Zimmerman to shoot a seventeen-year-old unarmed teenager who he'd stalked through the whole neighborhood and aggressively confronted.

    Quote from Catmurderer
    Why do people call Zimmerman white? He's latino.

    And Barack Obama is "white" in Brazil. "Race" isn't a scientific concept; it has less to do with skin tone or ancestry than it does to culture and identification, and it's clear that Zimmerman was plenty comfortable in the culture and identification of a southern white male--and that other whites are plenty comfortable thinking of him as one.
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    posted a message on "What if you're wrong?"
    Quote from DTG99
    His conclusion, of accepting infinite hell fire for his beliefs (or disbelief) because he couldn't stomach the fact of spending an eternity with a being whose "empathy would be so easily trumped by his vanity", pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly.

    But isn't that itself just narcissism disguised as self-righteousness? I don't mean to be flip, but the idea that your understanding of the plans and intentions of an unknowable and omniscient deity is so complete that you can make the ultimate judgment based on it (and if there is a Heaven and a Hell, this really is the biggest decision you can ever possibly make) seems to me incredibly arrogant.
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