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But I was more interested in the astounding lack of spelling ability this artist-by-night exhibits.

Perhaps English isn't his native language.

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The US income disparity is overplayed. I don't know of anyone starving or dying of thirst in the United States. Most people have enough capital to at least waste all of it on material desires and make ends meet with foodstamps.

Glad to know your anecdotal experience of the world outweighs real studies and government statistics.

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The real problems are in Africa and parts of Asia. Between these regions exist serious ecological limitations which prevents their enormous populations from becoming comfortably modern. You really can't throw enough money at these regions to make things better, as they are poorly conceived or populations have grown beyond their capacity.

This is objectively bull****. Name one country that this is true for.

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I was an intelligence analyst for 8 years...by far not an "amateur" opinion. If you are now attacking my crediblity to speak on this topic please state your bonafides.

I don't have to have personal authority. I cite experts, which is something you're apparently incapable of doing.

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Please cite the acutal study not just the mention of it.

This is according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization; you can find their press release on the topic here. I don't believe the study is online.

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Does that study take in account removing the current regime in North Korea where a signficant portion of the population goes hungry due to polices of the ruling party? Does it even mention that specfiic need? Or do they have some other magical and secret solution to somehow make the N. Korean regime less opressive? Unless that study addresses that, it is meaingless. It's delusional to think it would cost less than Iraq war to solve world hungar. Considering, in some cases, such as N. Korea, we'd have to go to war and redevelop the nation so we can make sure the population gets food. It seems you have linked a mention of that study and bought into it 100% with your idealistic leymans understanding of the worlds geopolitical unerpinnings, which by the way is the source of most of the hungar issues in several developing nations. You do not honestly think its as easy or cheap as just forking up 300 billion dollars do you? Tell me the person calling me an amateur does not think this...

Of course there are going to be challenges; of course it's not an overnight process; of course it is a long-term process, which also depends on other factors. Even acknowledging that, however, advocating for zero starvation in the world is the only moral position you can take. You can quibble about the timeframe, about how imperative it is, about whether it's feasible under present circumstances; none of those are a justification for ignoring the problem, or accepting a half-solution as enough.

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If the raise in the minimum wage is artificial this just squeezes the middle class by devaluing their labor.

Please cite a single mainstream economist who agrees with you here, please.

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Nobody in the US starves unless they are too mentally ill to get help. This whole 1 in 7 were hungry once in the last year stat is bull too. Heck I've been too broke to buy food for a day or two till I get paid, but I'm 40 lbs overweight enjoying my $240 a month cell phone plan. Guess I'm in the 1 in 7 who were "hungry" last year.

The single biggest cause of obesity in this country is, in fact, poor diet caused by inadequate access to healthy foods (for financial reasons).

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So an interventionist forigen policy is ideal? You think its will only cost 300 billion to make North Korea sustainable? How much of that cost will be attributed to military intervention to rid the country of the oppresive regime which is one of the culprits of that countries starvation and undoubtedly will control the incoming shipments of food... How many lives will be lost in war to save how many lives from starvation? 1.7 trillion was the cost of the Iraq war not counting the human toll. That amount you list is bull****.

EDIT: Solving the "unacceptable" starvation that exist just in North Korea alone will be much than 300 Billion and anyone who thinks otherwise is being blissfully ignorant of the real world.

Glad to hear your amateur opinion of the world on the Internet trumps an actual study done by experts.

But what if we don't even like ourselves?

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The first part is fine, better than fine actually. It represents a positive reality about the south that the north has actively buried.

Do you really think it's a "positive reality" that White Southerners were apparently so accustomed to the existence of legally enforced racism that they didn't notice it?

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Joande, you seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that this thread is a soapbox for you to post discursive rants about whatever feminist topics have come to your attention this week. If you want to do that, get a blog. If you want to post on a Debate thread entitled "Let's Talk About Rape", get some focus.

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It's fair to say the eventually feminists will try to change the law so that anything less then an "enthusiastic consent" is rape, of course allowing the "victim" to define what that is.

I'm not sure what distresses me more here: (a) that your crusade continues unabated against vague, unnamed "feminists" whose alleged positions and goals are apparently the product of your own hostile imaginings and certainly not represented by any actual human being active in this thread; or (b) that you seem to think other people can decide for you whether or not you're giving consent, and your own opinion on the matter may be disregarded.

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I don't know about the guy you were quoting, but I know that I would feel the same way if it were another crime.

So you would rather have no successful criminal prosecution at all than have one single person wrongly convicted?

Yes that is my preferred choice.

What's your preferred choice? Throwing anyone in jail that is suspected of committing a crime?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here.

I have received 2 warnings in the past month, and I would like to thank CarstenHaese for giving them to me.

No, I am not being sarcastic, and I'm not upset about it. His warnings and explanations of them were both civil and helpful. So thank you, CarstenHaese, for pointing me in the right direction.

Forum Mods don't get enough thanks or credit for the volunteer work they do. If you feel the same as I do, let them know by posting your gratitude here.

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