MTG Salvation

A bunch of them are so bad i would charge WotC money to play them.

Art is nice, cards are overall trash value, basically 1 card of money and some random inserts.

Not enough to fill a Commander deck, so thats a bit of a problem if someone wants to have a "Ork" deck.

I am convinced this is a social experiment, if they will find people that will buy literally anything.

So far they succeeded to sell literally anything to somebody that will gobble it up.

At some point, people have to realize they are mouth feed garbage, their sense of taste is so mutilated that some people even WELCOME this proxy cards, like they provide them some form of value ... i cannot understand these people, they are the definition of brain washed ...

Quote from rowanalpha »

None of those things are “greed”. The company isn’t laying people off to pad it’s profit margins or cutting cost with polluting manufacturing methods or selling a necessity like food/housing/healthcare at a price that people who need those things to survive cannot afford it.

Selling a luxury item at a price that people are willing to pay for that item (maybe not you, but some people are) isn’t greed, its the reason the company exists. Its no different than selling a draft booster box for 120, except that the number of people willing to pay the price point for the product is significantly smaller.

Abusing your customers is greed.

This is the very definition of greed.

intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
"mercenaries who had allowed greed to overtake their principles"

There are legit people addicted to packs, especially rich people that need a new "high" to open something special and continue to do so, for them its simply gambling, its exactly the same as a addicted gambler that will sell everything and steal from anybody just to get another shot.

WotC is in a abusive relationship with these people, thats why gambling and especially drugs absolutely need regulation and save guards, which dont really exist at all for WotC and their crack (as in gambling in a lot of countries you are limited how much money you can lose per hour, and similar things to protect the people that become victims).

A company is obvisiously going to make money, however, there are bad business practices and abusing customers for profit, which very obviously are not justified at all, by simply saying "Well its a company, it has to make a profit".

WotC is milking its customers for decades, and they increasingly provide less for more money, and push more product on people to milk even more money out of them.
The entire ideology movement is to emotional abuse people into support for a product they would otherwise not support, so WotC is using any angle possible to find some reason to push a product on people and a bunch of these reasons are bad business practices.

Unfair business practices encompass fraud, misrepresentation, and oppressive or unconscionable acts or practices by business, often against consumers, and are prohibited by law in many countries.

Just like video game companies pushing loot boxes and the like, at best WotC is walking the edge of what they are allowed to do in some countries laws, questionable in some other areas and basically just a law suit away from being put to trial.


At this point, this anti-customer behavior has to be questioned and it becomes more and more blatantly obvious to more people.

Quote from WarMachinePrime »

And I forgot a new Karn then, cool.

Karn, Living Legacy

Plenty more Karnstruct tokens we need, as the art suggests.

People that use proxy cards, there are different types as well.

Its more of a mindset, how people value to pay for things or if they feel entitled to.

Some people dont want to spend any money on the game, fine opinion to have, but in the end, any LGS wants to make money, the game needs to make money to exist and so if you honestly enjoy the game, paying to own cards is certainly reasonable.

If you want to own expensive cards, you can work for it. Some kids got into some jobs to make money to buy into expensive cards, and in the end you enjoy having them much more, as you know you worked for it.

Thats all a good thing.

The bad part are people that dont want to spend money on the cards, but still want them, and not over time, but right now, and all of them.
Its a complete disregard of the work that goes into getting these cards, Magic is for quite a part of a collectors game, its a process to get the cards, its a social process to trade them in person, much less so online in digital.
If you just play draft each week and you basically know where you got each card from, it has a history, the cards carry nostalgic value on top.

People that make proxies of cards because they have no desire to put any effort into owning them or not intention to ever get them, are a the "bad" apples of the players and they can be quite harmful to the communities they are in.

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For severely expensive cards having proxies is basically a given.
If you play with expensive cards and you want to properly shuffle them and not get a heart attack if you give them to the opponent (like Gilded Drake), its much better to have a proxy.

If it comes to counterfeits and people trying to sell them as real, thats criminal, its no joke, thats something you should call the police on, as the money involved in that is nothing to sneeze at.

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TLDR:
So there is a balance thats reasonable , and if someone is butt hurt that people have proxy cards, whats the point in that?
If someone has all proxy cards and never the intention to get real cards ... whats the point in that?

Quote from Thamosh »

Did it really need both "non-token" AND "once per turn" on the draw effect?

Other than that, it's another of the long line of creatures that get played, the table sighs, someone kills it, and the game moves on. Kill on sight before it wrecks the table. At least in normal EDH. It is unplayable in cEDH but then again 99.999999% of all cards are.

Well it has Ward Discard 2 cards, so if they try to use target removal on it, they get to pay the Ward, and then you can still rescue her with counterspells or something else.

So as long as you keep them on less than 3 cards , they cant even pay the ward cost to remove her, so shes pretty good with a lot of discard.

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Certainly like this card, as its not as crazy busted swingy as Tergrid, God of Fright tends to be with "wheel" effects, but the value is clearly in your favor, so they really want to remove her asap, but that comes at a cost.

To make text-heavy cards like Omnath, Locus of Creation textless is just a stupid idea.

Its so stupid, that you might be better of with a proxy that shows the text.

The 5-color Commander deck is called "Painbow" , so chances are we get 5 pain lands in there, or all 10 even.

Might have phyrexian mana cards too, stuff like that, its a 5-color precon, and they always had somewhat terrible mana lands, but need something to provide 5 colors.

Short term stuff goes down a lot, if people that open product for money need to flip them to get a paycheck.

Portal 3 Kingdom cards will drop the most , as all their value is coupled to being super rare (they are still mythic, but they cant sustain value for the fringe group of people that actually want or need them).


The real crazy value might be in the Collectors pack special foil stuff, thats basically Master-Piece rare and the big hit for an extremely expensive product.

Give ownership of that committee to millennials that played under the 2008 - 2014 MTG era.


What a joke. These dudes don’t know how to evaluate formats or cards.


the ban list for commander should be at least 70% bigger.

If Danitha's triggered ability would return a card to the battlefield as an Aura attached to Danitha, and it can't enchant Danitha, then that card remains in the graveyard (C.R. 303.4i). Note that the ability is optional (C.R. 603.5).

Your question's answer arguably hinges on the answer to the following question:

When a permanent transforms and transforms back, are the abilities before it transforms the same "instances" as after it transforms back?

Indeed, according to the release notes, converting is another word for transforming for purposes of the game.

See also:

- https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgrules/comments/xt93ef/question_about_ratchet_field_medic_ratchet_rescue/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgrules/comments/r0snor/hasnt_been_chosen_for_transformedcopied_cards/
- https://mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/802624-realm-razor-and-sudden-spoiling
- https://twitter.com/PeteroUPC/status/1463323874632908803

It's the same object, and the ability is defined by the same text, so I'd venture the intent is that it's the same ability (whatever that means). It won't trigger again.

Quote from caulkwrangler »

I'm not angry, I just think you're silly. Spend your money how you want but find some happiness while you're at it.

What does that even mean in response to me not wanting to buy something? You believe me not liking this product means I have no joy in life? I don't, but it's not because of this product.

This set is a gift to two groups: 1) EDH players in the market for duals who can't quite afford them yet, and 2) investors with deep pockets.

Exactly. Why just another whale bait gift for them? GotC gotta make that cash. Don't celebrate and reward those who got you there give em the middle finger instead. Its tiresome, boring and nothing but short sighted.

They could have produced these in 2 varieties. Sequentially numbered collectors versions (potentially in foil or some special treatment) for 1000 bucks and regular player/collector versions for 4 to 10 bucks a pack in "unlimited" numbers. Problem solved. But no, they cater to the dbag whales again. Its reprehensible.

don't accept this as normal and absolutely do not buy it. not even the singles.

Exactly. Then take it another step and shun those who do buy it sealed or as secondary singles. Don't play against them and tell them why. Yes that is harsh but its the only thing an individual can do. They are part of the problem, not the solution.

This whole Tolarian professor angle of "just buy singles" and that makes you better or apart from the problem is a fallacy. You still support the whale that bought them and support WotC through them. Don't buy this 30th anniversary scam crap!!! Ignore it. Don't even watch the inevitable opening on YouTube by Rudy and the rest of the dbag whales. Ignore them, don't give them views, that is money people! Ignore the product, don't touch it, shun those who do and don't be tempted by clickbait online videos that monetize this crap behavior.

See, this kind of stuff is why I encourage people to buy proxies for everything other than tournament play. If you're buying singles anyway, why pay $15 or more for a card when you can pay 30 cents?

Quote from TheOnlyOne652089 »

To make text-heavy cards like Omnath, Locus of Creation textless is just a stupid idea.

Its so stupid, that you might be better of with a proxy that shows the text.

I usually like textless cards, but I agree 100%

I don't even understand why he's being reprinted when already banned in Standard (doesn't that imply he is/was too strong for the format? What changed?)

Very disappointed to see Gilded Goose return when they should have reprinted birds of paradise instead!

As a veteran player, Dominaria is my favorite plane, by far. I'm excited to see the new cards. Can't wait for Serra, Shiv and Llanowar cards.