Im aware he's better in the 99 But I'm taking the challenge of making the strongest kokusho list possible. I feel the mana creatures are kind of meh. Any input would be great. Trying to get this together before an up north trip at the end of December.
I have a cookie cutter list built for Mardu Pyro, and am debating trading some stuff out of it(flats, k-command, or a lili and some edh stuff) to build hollow one. Since I already have most of rakdos, should I do this or do you think I should keep pyro together?
Disappointed at your lack of Megrim, Liliana's Caress, Painful Quandry.
I think Arena of the Ancients should be something different. Ensnaring Bridge after the recent reprint almost reaches your budget criteria. I also don't see how you're going to pay for Possessed Portal's 8 CMC.
I also think Torment of Hailfire might be a good card for you, as well as Cryptolith Rite. Ramunap Excavator seems vital for your deck, seeing that you run multiple Strip Mine effects, and that your permanents may cause you to sac lands.
32 lands is a critically low land count, seeing as your lands might end up all tapped and you rely on land drops and mana elves for access to mana.
The discard dmg cards don't really do enough in 4 man pods and the deck is fairly light on discard unless i can get an engine going early. Bridge, excavator. Added some "power", crucible, etc.
As for my mana base, ive got a cradle now, and some more artifact manas.
Updated quite a bit. the deck is no longer a budget build. Fetches and bayou will replace some basics. What else am I missing?
Craterhoof is to high on the mana curve imo. I would like druids and more countermagic or that spell that regenerates everything. I don't like signal pest, torpor orb, or null rod. Ideas? Any other cards seem weak?
How to win:
Play dudes
Play edric
Smash
Draw
Take extra Turns
Repeat
???
Profit
I am seeing if I am missing anything important, any better little guys i should be running? Going for maximum redundancy here. I don't want to drop the money on Capture or Temporal Manipulation.
Description
Simple yet satisfying:
Mull to a hand you can get Yisan out no later than T2
Get infinite mana
Draw your deck
Win
Wirewood Symbiote, Elf, Temur Sabertooth, Dork that taps for 5 mana. Tap dork, bounce elf to untap dork, play elf, bounce Wirewood with Temur, play Wirewood, repeat for infinite mana.
If the elf you are bouncing is Elvish Visionary then you have just drawn your deck.
If not then sing some little songs with yisan and get Great Oak Guardian, play it, bounce it, play it, bounce it, now all your little bottom bunk chumps are big top bunk hunks.
Sing another song for Regal Force, bounce, play, bounce, play, now you have drawn your deck.
Beast Within all their stuff for fun and recur it with Eternal Witness which you will bounce with Temur Sabertooth to play it again,
get a Staff of domination down, tap all their elephant tokens, give yourself a load of pointless life, draw your deck if you haven't already. Play Concordant Crossroads/Craterhoof Behemoth to give everything haste and swing to win.
There are other infinite mana combos such as Illusionist's Bracers attached to Seeker of Skybreak and a dork. Tap dork add x mana, tap Seeker to untap the dork and bracer allows you to untap seeker as well. Repeat.
Tap dorks, play Benefactor's Draught , untap all creatures and draw a card, play Eternal Witness and retrieve Benefactor's Draught , bounce witness with Temur Sabertooth and repeat. Infinite mana and card draw.
Tap a land then untap it with Voyaging Satyr , untap Satyr with Seeker of Skybreak with Illusionist's Bracers attached to untap Seeker. Repeat.
Umbral Mantle attached to a dork that taps for 4 mana.
Staff of Domination out, tap say Karametra's Acolyte for 5+, untap with staff for 3, untap staff for 1, repeat. Infinite mana and card draw, also tap all their dudes down so they have no blockers.
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Cabal Coffers
1x Deserted Temple
1x Diamond Valley
1x Dust Bowl
1x Evolving Wilds
1x Field of Ruin
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Lake of the Dead
1x Miren, the Moaning Well
1x Petrified Field
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Strip Mine
16x Swamp
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Thespian's Stage
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Vesuva
1x Volrath's Stronghold
1x Wasteland
Instant: 9
1x Cabal Ritual
1x Corpse Dance
1x Culling the Weak
1x Dark Ritual
1x Goryo's Vengeance
1x Sacrifice
1x Supernatural Stamina
1x Undying Evil
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Aetherflux Reservoir
1x Ashnod's Altar
1x Basalt Monolith
1x Blade of Selves
1x Chrome Mox
1x Expedition Map
1x Grim Monolith
1x Helm of the Host
1x Jet Medallion
1x Lotus Petal
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Minion Reflector
1x Mox Diamond
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Phyrexian Altar
1x Scroll Rack
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Sol Ring
Creatures: 11
1x Carrion Feeder
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Dark Confidant
1x Disciple of Griselbrand
1x Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1x Magus of the Coffers
1x Merciless Executioner
1x Nirkana Revenant
1x Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1x Viscera Seer
1x Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed
1x Ambition's Cost
1x Ancient Craving
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Damnation
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Diabolic Intent
1x Diabolic Tutor
1x Exhume
1x Footsteps of the Goryo
1x Grim Tutor
1x Imperial Seal
1x Innocent Blood
1x Night's Whisper
1x Read the Bones
1x Reanimate
1x Sign in Blood
1x Toxic Deluge
1x Yawgmoth's Will
Enchantment: 6
1x Animate Dead
1x Dance of the Dead
1x Necromancy
1x Necropotence
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Unhallowed Pact
Im aware he's better in the 99 But I'm taking the challenge of making the strongest kokusho list possible. I feel the mana creatures are kind of meh. Any input would be great. Trying to get this together before an up north trip at the end of December.
1x Basalt Monolith
1x Caged Sun
1x Charcoal Diamond
1x Chrome Mox
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Everflowing Chalice
1x Expedition Map
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Grim Monolith
1x Jet Medallion
1x Lashwrithe
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Lotus Petal
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Mind Stone
1x Mox Diamond
1x Nightmare Lash
1x Scroll Rack
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Sol Ring
1x Swiftfoot Boots
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Worn Powerstone
Enchantment: 4
1x Endless Scream
1x Necropotence
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Unspeakable Symbol
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Dark Confidant
1x Magus of the Coffers
1x Nirkana Revenant
Sorcery: 23
1x All Is Dust
1x Ambition's Cost
1x Ancient Craving
1x Ashes to Ashes
1x Beseech the Queen
1x Bubbling Muck
1x Cruel Tutor
1x Crux of Fate
1x Damnation
1x Dark Petition
1x Decree of Pain
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Diabolic Tutor
1x Grim Discovery
1x Grim Tutor
1x Imperial Seal
1x Mutilate
1x Night's Whisper
1x Promise of Power
1x Read the Bones
1x Sign in Blood
1x Toxic Deluge
1x Yawgmoth's Will
Instant: 6
1x Cabal Ritual
1x Dark Ritual
1x Hatred
1x Howl from Beyond
1x Necrologia
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Cabal Coffers
1x Cathedral of War
1x Crystal Vein
1x Deserted Temple
1x Dust Bowl
1x Evolving Wilds
1x Field of Ruin
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Hall of the Bandit Lord
1x Homeward Path
1x Inkmoth Nexus
1x Lake of the Dead
1x Petrified Field
1x Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1x Strip Mine
16x Swamp
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Thespian's Stage
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Vesuva
1x Wasteland
This is made with 4 players in mind. Basic black control with the ability to otk someone out of no where. Any ideas appreciated.
DOn't see it top as much.
The discard dmg cards don't really do enough in 4 man pods and the deck is fairly light on discard unless i can get an engine going early. Bridge, excavator. Added some "power", crucible, etc.
As for my mana base, ive got a cradle now, and some more artifact manas.
Updated quite a bit. the deck is no longer a budget build. Fetches and bayou will replace some basics. What else am I missing?
1x Chrome Mox
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Cursed Totem
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Meekstone
1x Mox Diamond
1x Null Rod
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Static Orb
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Trinisphere
1x Winter Orb
Creature: 12
1x Arbor Elf
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Deathrite Shaman
1x Elves of Deep Shadow
1x Elvish Mystic
1x Eternal Witness
1x Fyndhorn Elves
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Ramunap Excavator
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Sadistic Hypnotist
1x Wall of Roots
1x Damnation
1x Death Cloud
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Diabolic Intent
1x Farseek
1x Grim Tutor
1x Imperial Seal
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Nature's Lore
1x Night's Whisper
1x Pox
1x Rampant Growth
1x Read the Bones
1x Sign in Blood
1x Smallpox
1x Sylvan Scrying
1x Toxic Deluge
Enchantment: 13
1x Bitterblossom
1x Bottomless Pit
1x Chains of Mephistopheles
1x Contamination
1x Dark Tutelage
1x Necrogen Mists
1x Necropotence
1x Nether Void
1x Oppression
1x Pernicious Deed
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Sylvan Library
1x The Abyss
1x Nath of the Gilt-leaf
Land: 32
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Blooming Marsh
1x Command Tower
1x Evolving Wilds
7x Forest
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Llanowar Wastes
1x Overgrown Tomb
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Strip Mine
9x Swamp
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Volrath's Stronghold
1x Wasteland
1x Woodland Cemetery
Instant: 7
1x Abrupt Decay
1x Crop Rotation
1x Murderous Cut
1x Nature's Claim
1x Noxious Revival
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Worldly Tutor
Any ideas appreciated. Updated quite a bit. Budget restrictions are gone.
1 Harvest Season
1 Heroic Intervention and mana leak probably
1x Arbor Elf
1x Boreal Druid
1x Caustic Caterpillar
1x Cloud of Faeries
1x Cloud Sprite
1x Cursecatcher
1x Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
1x Elvish Mystic
1x Eternal Witness
1x Faerie Miscreant
1x Fyndhorn Elves
1x Gudul Lurker
1x Hope of Ghirapur
1x Jace's Phantasm
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Martyr of Frost
1x Mausoleum Wanderer
1x Merfolk Spy
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Priest of Titania
1x Scryb Sprites
1x Siren Stormtamer
1x Slither Blade
1x Spellstutter Sprite
1x Spiketail Hatchling
1x Spire Tracer
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Treetop Scout
1x Triton Shorestalker
1x Wharf Infiltrator
1x Wingcrafter
1x Zephyr Sprite
1x Breeding Pool
1x City of Brass
1x Command Tower
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Evolving Wilds
7x Forest
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Hinterland Harbor
10x Island
1x Lumbering Falls
1x Mana Confluence
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1x Pendelhaven
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Yavimaya Coast
1x Yavimaya Hollow
Artifact (6)
1x Chrome Mox
1x Lotus Petal
1x Mana Crypt
1x Null Rod
1x Sol Ring
1x Torpor Orb
Enchantment (5)
1x Beastmaster Ascension
1x Burgeoning
1x Druids' Repository
1x Exploration
1x Mystic Remora
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Counterspell
1x Crop Rotation
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Heroic Intervention
1x Mana Leak
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Nature's Claim
1x Negate
1x Noxious Revival
1x Reclaim
1x Spell Pierce
1x Unified Will
1x Unsubstantiate
Sorcery (10)
1x Beacon of Tomorrows
1x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Nostalgic Dreams
1x Notorious Throng
1x Part the Waterveil
1x Regrowth
1x Temporal Mastery
1x Temporal Trespass
1x Time Warp
1x Walk the Aeons
How to win:
Play dudes
Play edric
Smash
Draw
Take extra Turns
Repeat
???
Profit
I am seeing if I am missing anything important, any better little guys i should be running? Going for maximum redundancy here. I don't want to drop the money on Capture or Temporal Manipulation.
1x Acidic Slime
1x Bane of Progress
1x Boreal Druid
1x Caustic Caterpillar
1x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x Dosan the Falling Leaf
1x Duplicant
1x Elvish Archdruid
1x Elvish Mystic
1x Elvish Visionary
1x Eternal Witness
1x Ezuri, Renegade Leader
1x Fyndhorn Elves
1x Great Oak Guardian
1x Karametra's Acolyte
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Manglehorn
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Priest of Titania
1x Quirion Ranger
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Regal Force
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Seedborn Muse
1x Seeker of Skybreak
1x Somberwald Stag
1x Spellskite
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Temur Sabertooth
1x Wall of Roots
1x Wirewood Channeler
1x Wirewood Symbiote
1x Woodland Bellower
1x Chrome Mox
1x Illusionist's Bracers
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Crypt
1x Rings of Brighthearth
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Staff of Domination
1x Static Orb
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Trinisphere
1x Umbral Mantle
1x Winter Orb
Enchantment (10)
1x Burgeoning
1x Concordant Crossroads
1x Earthcraft
1x Exploration
1x Lignify
1x Root Maze
1x Song of the Dryads
1x Sylvan Library
1x Utopia Sprawl
1x Wild Growth
Sorcery (4)
1x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Natural Order
1x Regrowth
1x Sylvan Scrying
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Evolving Wilds
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Mouth of Ronom
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1x Pendelhaven
1x Scrying Sheets
16x Snow-Covered Forest
1x Strip Mine
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Wasteland
1x Yavimaya Hollow
1x Beast Within
1x Benefactor's Draught
1x Chord of Calling
1x Crop Rotation
1x Nature's Claim
1x Worldly Tutor
Description
Simple yet satisfying:
Mull to a hand you can get Yisan out no later than T2
Get infinite mana
Draw your deck
Win
Wirewood Symbiote, Elf, Temur Sabertooth, Dork that taps for 5 mana. Tap dork, bounce elf to untap dork, play elf, bounce Wirewood with Temur, play Wirewood, repeat for infinite mana.
If the elf you are bouncing is Elvish Visionary then you have just drawn your deck.
If not then sing some little songs with yisan and get Great Oak Guardian, play it, bounce it, play it, bounce it, now all your little bottom bunk chumps are big top bunk hunks.
Sing another song for Regal Force, bounce, play, bounce, play, now you have drawn your deck.
Beast Within all their stuff for fun and recur it with Eternal Witness which you will bounce with Temur Sabertooth to play it again,
get a Staff of domination down, tap all their elephant tokens, give yourself a load of pointless life, draw your deck if you haven't already. Play Concordant Crossroads/Craterhoof Behemoth to give everything haste and swing to win.
There are other infinite mana combos such as Illusionist's Bracers attached to Seeker of Skybreak and a dork. Tap dork add x mana, tap Seeker to untap the dork and bracer allows you to untap seeker as well. Repeat.
Tap dorks, play Benefactor's Draught , untap all creatures and draw a card, play Eternal Witness and retrieve Benefactor's Draught , bounce witness with Temur Sabertooth and repeat. Infinite mana and card draw.
Tap a land then untap it with Voyaging Satyr , untap Satyr with Seeker of Skybreak with Illusionist's Bracers attached to untap Seeker. Repeat.
Umbral Mantle attached to a dork that taps for 4 mana.
Staff of Domination out, tap say Karametra's Acolyte for 5+, untap with staff for 3, untap staff for 1, repeat. Infinite mana and card draw, also tap all their dudes down so they have no blockers.
And so on and so forth.
1x Bane of Progress
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Boreal Druid
1x Caustic Caterpillar
1x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x Dosan the Falling Leaf
1x Duplicant
1x Elvish Archdruid
1x Elvish Mystic
1x Elvish Visionary
1x Eternal Witness
1x Ezuri, Renegade Leader
1x Fyndhorn Elves
1x Great Oak Guardian
1x Karametra's Acolyte
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Manglehorn
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Priest of Titania
1x Quirion Ranger
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Regal Force
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Seedborn Muse
1x Seeker of Skybreak
1x Somberwald Stag
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Temur Sabertooth
1x Wall of Roots
1x Wirewood Symbiote
1x Woodland Bellower
1x Crystal Vein
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Evolving Wilds
16x Forest
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Hall of the Bandit Lord
1x Maze of Ith
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Strip Mine
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Temple of the False God
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Wasteland
1x Winding Canyons
1x Yavimaya Hollow
1x Illusionist's Bracers
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Rings of Brighthearth
1x Sol Ring
1x Sphere of Resistance
1x Staff of Domination
1x Swiftfoot Boots
1x Tangle Wire
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Trinisphere
1x Umbral Mantle
1x Winter Orb
1x Carpet of Flowers
1x Concordant Crossroads
1x Earthcraft
1x Exploration
1x Lignify
1x Quest for Renewal
1x Root Maze
1x Song of the Dryads
1x Sylvan Library
1x Utopia Sprawl
1x Wild Growth
1x Beast Within
1x Benefactor's Draught
1x Chord of Calling
1x Crop Rotation
1x Nature's Claim
1x Worldly Tutor
1x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Natural Order
1x Regrowth
1x Sylvan Scrying
Pretty basic yisan deck. play him asap and start tutoring into win conditions and silver bullets. Anything I am missing or seem weak?