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Words don't have inherent spelling or pronunciation. Words are just a tool, and if I can spell it ornge or pronounce it "ernge" as you can understand what I'm saying, then hey, the tool works and you insisting that I'm doing it wrong makes you look like a jerkface.


Also something about dyslexia here as well. I dunno what I want to say about it in regards to your first post, but I know it needs to be said. It's pretty unfair to dyslexics, is what I'm saying.


Lastly, insisting one form of media is inherently "better" or "smarter" than another is terrible and you should stop doing it. Don't give any excuses, just stop.

These things are much easier to imagine by what they’re missing. Kinda like in an Alara way. I came up with these ideas a while ago so I thought I’d expand on them now. It's also much cleaner to base the world off the ally colour pair and what the shared enemy colour adds, in my opinion.


WBR
Missing U and G, this is a world without reason and natural growth and intellect. What you have is a brutal, post-apocalyptic wasteland. A brutal and anarchic society ruled by those who have an use their power. The major conflict is are the small survivors versus the oppressive military power. No wildlife, little food and a big survival theme.
Art focus: Wastelands. Little life. Plains are long expanses of desert, mountains are vicious rocky crags and swamps are tar pits and death traps.

URG
Missing W and B, so it’s missing order, structure and selfishness. What you get is a world of chaotic nature. Wild, fantastic growth, dangerous beasts and plants and individuals trying to survive. The biggest conflicts would be one of surviving nature, but also using nature in creative ways. The plants are intelligent, and the blue is reflected in those plants.
Art focus: Forests and wildlife. Nothing is bare. Islands are lakes of flowers and seaweed and lots and lots of fish. Mountains are mossy and full of goats and birds. Forests are just trees and trees for miles.

BWG
Missing U and R and logic and creativity. And endless cycle of life and death. Structured, efficient, expansive, and eternal. A mixture of long-lived forests and huge beasts, and short-lived insect swarms and invading plantlife. Black rules the plane and so there’s a huge force of ambition and drive and doing whatever it takes to survive.. Small communities are common and those communities are usually right in the thick of nature.
Art focus: Lots of life and death, but large. Bigness is the biggest theme there. Swamps are graveyards of corpses and things that feed on them. Plains are huge and go on for days. Forests are impossibly tall.

RWU
Missing B and G. Life and death are not a part of this world at all. The world is unchanging and eternal, and the focus is on intellectual pursuits, creativity and order. Lots and lots of mechanical creations, animated golems and elementals of society. Very civilized. No plant or wildlife. Mostly “non-combative” spells and creatures, with a focus on art and knowledge and things like that. Highly bureaucratic, but with lots of radical political movements and protests.
Art focus: Very stylistic and artistic display. No life, but dotted with cities and monuments. Mountains are beautiful and set to sunsets and picturesque. Islands are still and calm. Plains are full of monuments (think things life Stonehenge all over)

GUB
Missing R and W. Missing order and passion, and based around things that go bump in the night. Full of dark creatures, mad scientists, and scary woods. Basically one big Grimm Fairytale world. Small communities but also individuals living in the dark heart of the woods. Lots of scary things and dangers, but also a big focus on those who fight them. Kinda like halfway between Innistrads humans vs horrors and Theros’ heroes vs monsters. Also faeries, both good and bad.
Art focus: Fairytale inspiration. Dark and scary but also light and fluffy. Forests are dark and scary. Islands are oases of light and hope in the darkness. Swamps are boggy and full of witches and swampthings.

And that, ladies and gentleman, ends our 'new information' section of the presentation. If you'll all come this way, we can begin the 'complain about the new information' section.

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You're right. Poor white heterosexual male. Its so unfortunate he is forced to cover himself up in public. Awful that he is raped and told it is his fault. Criminal he cannot marry who he loves. Vile that he must fight through racism to even consider a position of power. When will there ever be a white heterosexual male president people.

Re: Why this is a problem.

Our art reflects who we are as a society (even if that art is for something "unimportant" like a trading card game), and what we choose to be acceptable and standard influences us all the time. And while no, the fact that Magic is full of mostly white people and mostly overly-sexualized females isn't going to ever be the straw the breaks the camels back, it's definitely one of the straws and it's not a good thing to keep doing it because that's how it's always done.

Yes, it is more that the culture we build up around fantasy is what lets us get away with this, but it doesn't stop if no one is willing to try and stop it, and I always hope that maybe Magic will give it a try.


On a side note: Chrome wants to spell-check sexualized into equalized. Not quite Google. Not quite.

Rah rah my format is the best your format is the worst.

Legacy will go the way of vintage. It's inevitable. Now, it's not going to happen for a long while, but it will happen eventually.

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"What are you talking about this ExarchTwin isn't a combo deck it's an aggro deck. It kills you by attacking with a lot of creatures"

You need to respect that player's decisions.

I'm going to be making a lot of assumptions here, so it may be possible that I'm entirely off base, but I believe that the best course of action for you and your friends to take is to respect the decisions that player makes. Whenever this player makes a poor decision, because their action negatively affects the other players at the table, I imagine that everyone at the table (or just a few of you) are dogpiling this player, telling them to reconsider their choices. From what I gather, this has not been successful for you thus far. Continuing to do so will not change the situation for you and escalating it will only make things worse. For whatever reason, this player will not listen to advice. I believe this is because he doesn't trust you or your group. There could be a number of reasons why. Perhaps this player is reluctant to take advice from someone sitting across from them; they know that your goal is diametrically opposed to theirs. Maybe they personally think that you're a lousy Magic player yourself and won't listen to your advice because you suck. Or it could be something else entirely. If other players are explicitly acknowledging that the decisions they are making are lousy, then perhaps this player is being made to feel stupid. If so, they may just be shutting you out and making whatever decisions they want, regardless of how poor they are, out of spite or resentment for the other players making them feel this way.

Whatever the case may be, you need to respect this player's decisions. Don't berate this player whenever they make a crappy decision, just accept it. Let them play their cards however they want to. Players (and people, in general) need the freedom to be able to make their own choices, even if they're shoddy ones. Nobody wants to give that freedom up and people especially don't want that freedom taken away from them. When people don't have the freedom to act as they want to, they don't feel valued as an individual. Once you allow this player to make their own decisions without inciting negative attention then they will begin to feel respected and in turn be willing to trust you more. That is ultimately what I think you want; you want for this player to be able to trust you so that you can help both them and yourself in future games of Magic. To do that, you need to do a few things:

1. As already mentioned, allow this player to make their own choices and be respectful of them.
2. Don't conspire behind their backs. They'll know that you're doing so, even if they don't know what you're talking about. That's counter-productive. You want this player to be able to trust you, not to feel like an outsider.
3. If somebody else begins to intervene the next time this player makes a poor choice, tell them to let it go and to respect that player's decision. This will help the problematic player confide more in you while also deescalating the situation.
4. Be a good sport yourself. Don't get salty if this player decides to gun you down. Furthermore, don't get visually or verbally upset whenever this player makes a poor decision. It's ok to feel bummed about theirs choices, especially if they negatively affect you, but do not allow that to make you feel resentment. Getting retributive would be working against your goal.
5. The next time you sit down with this player, ask them if they feel disrespected whenever they play with you. If they say yes, apologize to them, tell them that you didn't mean to make them feel that way and tell them that you're going to make a genuine effort to never do so again.

Only once this player fully feels respected and respects you will they become receptive to you. That is when you can offer them advice. Trust and respect don't grow overnight though and may take some time to restore. Until that time comes, allow this player to continue playing in whichever way that they want. They will begin to enjoy the game more because they will no longer feel socially threatened and will eventually open up to you. You'll know when this happens when they go to personally ask you for advice and are looking for an honest answer. That is the time when you can now begin to offer them helpful advice ingame again. When they do ask for your help, don't take that as an opportunity to rip this guy's guts out for acting like a ****-a-ninny for the past few weeks; just give them the advice that they want. Continue to respect them and their decisions as you play with them, even if they are strategically unwise and in time, if you do that, you will earn the trust that you want.

It's easy to criticize the brave citizen who started this thread, particularly since he appears ignorant of how English letters work, yet takes careful aim at those with no education. That, however, would be unfair. His opine is a cry that too often goes unheared. It serves us all to gather round and listen now, because this is something that affects all of us to the core of our being whether are capable of understanding it or not.

Stuff used to be cool, but now it sucks.

Magic is being ruined, ladies and mostly gentlemen. The game has drastically changed over twenty years, and all because we let it. We were not loud enough and rude to new players when Magic gained popularity, we did not vote with our wallets when cards were printed with greater frequency. Who among us stepped forward when good cards started showing up?

No one spoke out. Nobody but the forum poster who began this thread has had the courage to say it's all too much. To plea for a simpler time when creatures were awful but you could totally get a Lotus for five bucks like this one guy I knew. The old frames were better, the artwork was superior, everything used to be great until money got involved. Now cards are expensive. They're just paper! We are throwing our lives away on a hobby that in the scope of an endlessly-expanding universe, amounts to almost nothing.

If you have ever bought a card, you are part of the problem and are killing Magic. I hope that the white-bordered Timetwister you swear is Near-Mint was worth destroying something a few people loved, but now millions enjoy. No one, none of you, can ever understand how much fun Magic was when it cost nothing to play and hardly anyone knew what the hell it was. Magic costs too much to play, is no fun because there are too many cards, and it's everyone's fault except mine and the guy who started this thread.

We get it. You never will.

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I'm honestly not sure where you were going with this one, I guess you were trying to tell me one was hot, and that the other I'm too picky about?

Neither of the poses depicting that woman would be considered "utterly disgusting" by anyone with common sense, and many rational men and women would be quick to call them both attractive.

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Sexually gratifying outfits. To men? Women? Androgynous? How about those who have no sexual preference whatsoever?

The gender of the person sexually aroused by that kind of portrayal of women is irrelevant; it only matters that the association is being made between women and sex in this instance. But you seem exactly like the kind of person who wouldn't think something qualifies as sexist as long as a group of women or androgynous individuals can get behind it.

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This is the main thing I'm against, using terms that are buzzwords without the actual proof of action or intent.

You mean like the words, "proof", "action", and "intent" in the above sentence?

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Liliana is a great example as an Epic piece of art, but so is Jace. In fact I can name very few Planeswalkers that don't make me stop for a moment and soak in every bit of detail. They are meant to inspire through vision.

Jace has a magically enhanced intellect which he uses to appear innocuous, manipulate events and control others. Liliana does the same exact thing with her sexuality. And, if I remember correctly, her veil version was originally too risque for Wizards, so they commissioned Steve Argyle to cover up some skin, remove some of her laces and metal bits reminiscent of BDSM, and generally tone down on the dominatrix vibe.

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Its not Sexism to portray a woman in what would be an awesome outfit to wear.

Ask any woman (or man): neither bras, nor thongs, nor heels, nor dresses, nor two-pieces are particularly awesome to wear. In many cases they're uncomfortable and downright painful. Ask any woman why she wears these things anyway; many will tell you they do it to feel or look more attractive.

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Well seeing as I'm Captain Obvious I guess I'll point out what you missed.

See, when people read things. They aren't just words jumbled together in a mash of text like in a bounce house. In fact, usually there's a rhythm to the sentences, like how one sentence will lead into the next. This is called structure and it helps the reader understand the entirety of the written work. So when you read something, like a book at your local library, or an internet post from someone you wish to insult, I would recommend reading what they say to gain valuable insight into their thoughts and ideas.
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In other words, "No, I can't prove that money and power aren't equally attractive to members of both genders, so I'll attempt to talk around my invalidated argument instead."

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You know what real sexism is? What it really is?

Real sexism is where you aren't allowed to leave your house without a male family member as escort.

The existence of extreme instances of sexism does not mitigate the injustice of more subtler forms of sexism, or make them less idiotic or problematic.

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Real sexism is where you are taken from your family as a young boy because whatever military regime needs ne recruits. (Yes it is sexism, it doesn't just apply to women.)

Nor does the act of sexism perpetrated on males preclude acts of sexism perpetrated on females.

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Real sexism is where you are verbally harassed and taken down because you don't look like the other girls, and the authority in charge won't help because the girls doing the act are cuter than you.

I agree that these examples as well as the crap you've been spouting are all very valid forms of sexism.

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Real sexism is when a woman at 30 can't get a job but a guy at 30 can.

It's really only sexist if you assume she can't get the job because of her gender and not because she lacks qualification or other criteria.

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Since you didn't make your own argument I thought I'd come up with one for you.

My argument is that you're a sexist dolt who doesn't realize he's being sexist, but I felt that spoke for itself. In any case, you did great speaking for it.

RRRAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Seriously, guys, get over yourselves.

-If you are griping about how NWO Magic is teh suxz, complaining about the end of creativity, saying "I'm reconsidering giving them my money", then FREAKING DO IT ALREADY. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE WHINERS ON THIS FORUM.

STOP BEING ATTENTION WHORES!!!!!
The solution is quite simple. If you want to complain about quitting the game, ACTUALLY QUIT INSTEAD. Don't insult my intelligence by comparing people who like the current state of Magic to ignorant 12-year-olds. Don't circlejerk for 70 pages about how Magic is ruined.

JUST.
FREAKING.
LEAVE!

I am vaguely disappointed with the direction of the new slivers. I understand the mechanic change, specifically because M14 draft would have been insanity without it. I'm not a fan of the art. Wizards could have done better. That said, I do not feel personally betrayed, nor am I angry at them.

I am angry with the insufferable stuck-up snobs on this forum who insist that every set release should be tailored specifically to them. These are the people who have put up a "This Set Sucks" thread for all but three Magic expansions since Kamigawa block. The people who look down upon stupid creatures and stupid aggro players and the mindless drudgery of the central mechanic in the game. People who think Stasis is a perfectly fair card that makes the game better for everyone. People who are somehow never satisfied yet keep coming back for more. That's not a hobby you enjoy; that's a psychological problem. Somebody earlier in the thread suggested bombarding Wizards with what (knowing you people) will amount to be hate mail regarding these slivers, asking them to get it right. Well, tell me then:

What was the last thing that Wizards got right?

Judging from the tone of this site, with comments about how the game's in the ****ter, I would say many of you don't have a single nice thing to say about the current state of Magic. In the middle of arguably the best Standard season ever, where they finally fixed the power-balance issues, put fairly minimal powercreep, loaded down the format with alternate win-cons, and submitted a Return to Ravnica block that, if you take off the nostalgia-tinted glasses, was better than the original, following on the heels of the best-designed block Magic has ever had in Innistrad. They gave you Modern Masters--a cube draft! in booster packs! They gave you Theros, easily the most "epic" setting for a Magic expansion since Invasion block. And still it's not enough. The successes are taken for granted, and the failures are all that matters.

Grow the **** up.