What I find a bit strange is the fact that if Nissa ist the last Animist, as the card claims, what is this guy doing: Vastwood Animist
Or maybe Vastwood Animist is older than Nissa?
Could be, but to me the flavour text made it sound like Nissa was not only the last, but after that it was prohibited because of the damage they did to the land.
Meanwhile Vastwood Animist makes it look like the art of the animist is very common on Zendikar, sure times can change, so maybe today it's normal again who knows. Atleast now I'am interested in her story, sadly it's the last of them so we have to wait a bit longer for an answer
What I find a bit strange is the fact that if Nissa ist the last Animist, as the card claims, what is this guy doing: Vastwood Animist
Origins takes place before Worldwake. It's quite posible that Nissa was the last animist during Origins, but new animists appeared latter.
Thats a possibility, but still it sounded like being an animist became somehow a taboo for them. I guess we have to wait for her story to clear that up, I just hope they explain that somehow. Until then the they came back seems the most logical answer, maybe Nissa brought them back.
From the card and what an animist on zendikar seems to be I would say they angered it by summoning elementals from the land, which on a world like zendikar seems strange to anger the land.
We have to remember that Nahiri encased herself in stone and seemingly hibernated for what could have been centuries. It may have been during this time that the vampires somehow arose on Zendikar. She doesn't seem to have much of a grasp on the passing of time, so many things may have even happened while she was creating the hedron that restored the network. The vampire statue having the horn handles on its shoulders seems to indicate that the eldrazi had already enslaved this race of vampires, most likely while Nahiri was in stasis? I don't know. Your questions are definitely valid....I just hope we get some answers that make sense.
Not necessarily though it does pose a bit of a problem yes. With this we have info that Nahiri spent some serious time with the Kor before going into meditation. It's possible during that time the walls of the prison weakened, Nahiri called the others and they put down the Eldrazi again. This may in fact be part of the reason Sorin and Nahiri both got weirded out by the others not showing up if they had once before. This may likely have been much earlier on but it runs afoul of the idea that the Eldrazi warped the vampires if Nahiri is saying they didn't exist on Zendikar before she went into her dormancy. If she and the others put down another Eldrazi prison break attempt Nahiri would have HAD to have known about the Eldrazi using the vampires on some level. We may have an example of creative not giving the freelancer a full rundown or deciding to change things up. Until and unless we get something more from Beyer or someone on creative I'd say we've got a really weird situation on our hands.
Yeah, I could live with the timeline like this:
-First sealing
-(some time passes) The Titans break lose like in the story - Nahiri calls alle three seal them again
-(Nahiri puts herself into hibernation) Todays UR happens
But then, like you two already pointed out the thing with the vampires is a bit strange. Additionally wouldn't she say something like "last time I called them they came, why not now" when she used the Eye to call them, because this story made it sound like she never tried to call them before.
She may have lost some memory during her sleep, but not knowing the vampire race and not remembering calling the others before seems to much.
I guess it wasn't explained why Sorin was "the betrayer" back then?
I remember something about Anowon saying he was "selling" the Vampires as slave to the Eldrazi, or something along the line. Can't remember what exactly it was, been a long time since I last read the book, but I think there was something.
Because there it says all three re-imprisoned them, and the Vampires where already present then, or was that another time where they tried to escape.
And if it is now that something happens to Nahiri, I'am not quite sure it will be her becoming a vampire, because at this time she is still an oldwalker.
He will live with the dragons and follow the teachings of the Temur, the clan he once longed to rule.
Wait when did that happen?
Great UR today, glad to hear that Nahiri is still alive (whatever her real condition is)
I'm really wondering where they will take the Nahiri Story, right now there are two options:
1. Let her be part of the BFZ Story (maybe inside the hedron at the end of the teaser).
2. Make Sorins Quest to find her part of another Story.
The first one seems pretty likely, and I hope it will be this option, so we won't have to wait for years to know what happened to her. But the second option would make the BFZ Block really just a battle for it, leaving the resealing story with Sorin, Ugin and Nahiri for another time.
Wow...just wow...what a great story, it was well written and it felt so wrong watching the khans getting subjected by the dragons.
So it seems history still did not work out the way it should have. The first time around Ugin died and the dragons lost, now Ugin lives in coma and the dragons win, so still no balance because of Ugins abscence. Wondering how Ugin will react to the situation once he wakes up and Sarkhan once he returns..if he returns (which seems likely).
And Alesha, I liked the first UR about her but this one made me like her even more
This is what I read too. I don't like it, but I think that's what happened.
I'm not so sure... "Sarkhan's presence became an impossibility" also applies to the modified present.
Also: —as all the events that had led to his world's history, and even had led to his own existence, had become nullified—
It sounds way more like "Sarkhan has ceased to exist" to me.
I've read that the KTK trailer has Sarkhan say that he "was never born". Dang straight he wasn't born in Tarkir 1.1. I'm pretty certain he'll survive in DTK, but in what state, I guess the KTK trailer is the closest to revealing that.
I think your right if we look back at his appereance in that trailer he looks different from what we know. Trail of white hair, different colour of the clothing and more draconic eyes.
Just a quick ruling question, do the token produced with the rider follow the same ruling as the token of Hero of Bladehold? So for example if I copy her while attacking, I get none of her effects right?
Also, I thought they said Sorin was only part W on Innistrad?
What happened to that?
Yeah I remember them saying that back then but one could argue that the W in him is showing his caring side. He cared for his home world and now he he was looking for an old friend to help him save the multiverse.
They set this up really good in the flavor text of Bitter Revelations "Here you lie then, Ugin. The corpses of worlds will join you in the tombs." Showing his concern for the whole multiverse as his hopes of sealing the eldrazi back fades.
Not entirely the labels are from me personally, based on my assumption that during the Panel they were presented like "one basic based on the central clan color".
I could be wrong and we could still get different lands out of them.
your welcome
Yeah all those eyes glowing on pw's makes it look like the spark turns them into magical lighthouses
Could be, but to me the flavour text made it sound like Nissa was not only the last, but after that it was prohibited because of the damage they did to the land.
Meanwhile Vastwood Animist makes it look like the art of the animist is very common on Zendikar, sure times can change, so maybe today it's normal again who knows. Atleast now I'am interested in her story, sadly it's the last of them so we have to wait a bit longer for an answer
Thats a possibility, but still it sounded like being an animist became somehow a taboo for them. I guess we have to wait for her story to clear that up, I just hope they explain that somehow. Until then the they came back seems the most logical answer, maybe Nissa brought them back.
From the card and what an animist on zendikar seems to be I would say they angered it by summoning elementals from the land, which on a world like zendikar seems strange to anger the land.
What I find a bit strange is the fact that if Nissa ist the last Animist, as the card claims, what is this guy doing: Vastwood Animist
Yeah, I could live with the timeline like this:
-First sealing
-(some time passes) The Titans break lose like in the story - Nahiri calls alle three seal them again
-(Nahiri puts herself into hibernation) Todays UR happens
But then, like you two already pointed out the thing with the vampires is a bit strange. Additionally wouldn't she say something like "last time I called them they came, why not now" when she used the Eye to call them, because this story made it sound like she never tried to call them before.
She may have lost some memory during her sleep, but not knowing the vampire race and not remembering calling the others before seems to much.
I remember something about Anowon saying he was "selling" the Vampires as slave to the Eldrazi, or something along the line. Can't remember what exactly it was, been a long time since I last read the book, but I think there was something.
What I'am wondering (loving the story and hearing about Nahiri one of my favourite pw's, hopefully we will hear more next week) does this story retcon the story about the first awakening of the eldrazi we got back then here:
http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/84
and in the wiki under Awakening:
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Eldrazi
Because there it says all three re-imprisoned them, and the Vampires where already present then, or was that another time where they tried to escape.
And if it is now that something happens to Nahiri, I'am not quite sure it will be her becoming a vampire, because at this time she is still an oldwalker.
Wait when did that happen?
Great UR today, glad to hear that Nahiri is still alive (whatever her real condition is)
I'm really wondering where they will take the Nahiri Story, right now there are two options:
1. Let her be part of the BFZ Story (maybe inside the hedron at the end of the teaser).
2. Make Sorins Quest to find her part of another Story.
The first one seems pretty likely, and I hope it will be this option, so we won't have to wait for years to know what happened to her. But the second option would make the BFZ Block really just a battle for it, leaving the resealing story with Sorin, Ugin and Nahiri for another time.
So it seems history still did not work out the way it should have. The first time around Ugin died and the dragons lost, now Ugin lives in coma and the dragons win, so still no balance because of Ugins abscence. Wondering how Ugin will react to the situation once he wakes up and Sarkhan once he returns..if he returns (which seems likely).
And Alesha, I liked the first UR about her but this one made me like her even more
Yeah I remember them saying that back then but one could argue that the W in him is showing his caring side. He cared for his home world and now he he was looking for an old friend to help him save the multiverse.
They set this up really good in the flavor text of Bitter Revelations "Here you lie then, Ugin. The corpses of worlds will join you in the tombs." Showing his concern for the whole multiverse as his hopes of sealing the eldrazi back fades.
Was anyone able to catch the full art of him that they showed?
Not entirely the labels are from me personally, based on my assumption that during the Panel they were presented like "one basic based on the central clan color".
I could be wrong and we could still get different lands out of them.