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Sep 24, 20121
Yanni posted a message on Discussion of the Recent Bans and Gutter/Staff relationsPosted in: Community DiscussionQuote from The Cold MonarchThis is my opinion, and not that of the moderator, but I have a serious problem with how we are dealing with problems and drama at this time. WTC aside (because I only have a layman's view of the problem based on ML talks and the thread in CI), some of these posts against the staff have been absolutely horrible, and it feels more like answering daggers, than "legitimate" complaints.
I just want a highlight a few I have seen:
Now I could keep going, but I think my point here is clear: There is far too much of these potshots being taken at each others expense, and some of these aren't even against the moderators. But here our a list of points I wanted to make about this whole situation. Note that again, this is my suggestion/opinion, not any type of formal request
1). This negativity has to stop if any productivity is going to take place.
No one is going to argue or talk things out logically if every other post is a snipe, troll or flame. All that's going to happen is that we are all going to circle jerk for God knows long. So if you don't have something nice/productive to say, shove it.
2). Users asking for moderator resignations.
You are so so so out of line here, it revolts me. If this (bannings/Curse) is the moderator's version of handling things poorly, the "Gloves" thread is the user's version. The posts in there asking for Arcadic's resignation, how dare you. Complain to an administrator, talk it out, but publicly asking for someone to step down: What exactly did you think would happen? Would Arcadic happily oblige, or were you just trying to fan the flames?
3). Agree to Disagree
To anyone who thinks Kpaca or Kijin should be unbanned, I would be astonished if we could ever talk together and cooperate. The others who were banned are debatable (bar Clock King), but those two goofed so hard when they were already on the thinnest ice imaginable, and to consider giving them yet another chance is so beyond me, I don't even have the (appropriate) words for it. There is one thing I agree with Arcadic in his rant: Who ever is leaking this information is not doing the site a service at all. That person may have single handily ruined any potential deal with Curse, and should quite frankly, be ashamed of themselves.
Rant over. We should all be chilling right now, and be a little kinder to each other.
How can you, with a straight face, ask everyone to stop being so negative and stop sniping when in the same post you tell anyone who thinks Arcadiac should have been demodded to shove it?
Further more, how can you ask for people to work together, then state that anyone who disagrees with you you can't work with? -
Sep 11, 20121
bocephus posted a message on Election: 2012Posted in: Talk and EntertainmentQuote from mystery45*sigh* i get so tired of people picking on our military. the need bullets they need armor they need equipment to do the job.
that costs money. they need updated equipment that makes it safer for them to operate.
what can be cut is a lot of the redundancy and other red tape making it more efficient.
letting the DOD determine what it needs instead of just issueing a glob of money is a start.
sorry but our social programs consume way more than the military.
trust me there is way more waste to be found than the military.
There is no reason our military spending is what it is. If we would stop being the World police and start worrying about this country, maybe we could get things straightened out. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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Lol, nice conspiracy theory there dude.
I think the MSL, and other subforum-specific lounges are absolutely necessary to the functioning of those areas. I do not agree that the centralized mod lounge is. The big one just breeds a victim complex (as can be seen in several posts by mods in the leak thread) and causes delays for consensus building when, many times, the right answer is obvious from the beginning. Empower good mods and let them do their jobs. You don't need some control group breathing down their necks or anything.
As an example, when I was a moderator for MS, I had an apologetic other mod from MS (as in, he *knew* I was doing a good job, but sigh, it had come up with another group) talk to me about my 'error rate' in issuing warnings/infractions. Well, I provided the data (that should have been obvious to the people complaining about my work, had they bothered to look - which, coincidentally included me being blamed instead for reading errors by one of the people in the group criticizing my work) and it was clear that I was doing a great job. But, because there was this other centralized lounge, other than the well oiled machine that is the MSL, people groupthinked their way into some mis-informed ideas and caused grief.
And, it's really not fair to pin all drama on the gutter anyway. Here are the people who have the top postcounts in the major drama threads over the last couple years around here (as determined by number of posts, in both cases):
logicX 7
brandon 6
harkius 6
belgareth 5
glimrypost 5
misclick 5
nai 5 (staff)
teia 4 (staff)
azrael 3
binary 3
faheyUSMC 3
galspanic 3 (staff)
kaitscralt 3 (gutter member)
kijin 3 (gutter member - now banned)
kpaca 3 (gutter member - now banned)
mystery45 3
NS 3 (gutter member - now banned)
rianalnn 3 (staff - at the time)
senori 3 (staff)
These people have a wide variety of opinions on the matters in the 12 threads I checked, includes a number of upper and lower staff members, gutter members, and non-gutter members. Neither gutter members nor staff members occupy the top several spots of people most active in the most drama threads. It's fair to say that propagation is not at all one group's doing. Not all of these people were intentionally feeding drama. But they are all people who post a lot in a lot of drama threads, for one reason or another. And the gutter posters are certainly not the main posters (thread propagators?). Neither are staff members.
In fact, merely on postcounts as I've outlined here, if you take away the 3 gutter-specific threads (which are basically due to staff self-proclaimed bad-handlings of closures), the gutter members show up in very few other drama threads, few enough that they wouldn't make the ~25% of the remaning 9 drama threads list.
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I don't think that is a very good analogy.
It would be better to say they are friends who roomed together during college and one of them still likes to have fun on the weekends while the other one slowly forgot how they'd originally become best buds (it was while binge drinking and finding ways to fight 'the man'), because a couple years after that he joined a fundamentalist sect and began to see everything that his friend did as anathema. He alternated between obsessively attempting to convert his friend and wistfully wanting things to be like how they were. Eventually, the relationship becomes so toxic one of them moves on. Neither one is blameless in the loss of the relationship, but they were getting along pretty well before the one latched on to a rigid belief system that espouses a narrow definition of 'correct'.
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EDIT: I will miss chatting with you kpaca!
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How you figure that I wasn't *also* trying to make a point, and instead using sarcasm is beyond me? I even suggested a plausible course of action based on what I saw in the post he quoted! That that course of action was taken as an affront (I assume?) is not on my shoulders. I cannot control how others will respond to the posts I've made, or whether they will take offense for something that wasn't offensive (or, certainly, vice versa!). It is up to each individual to decide how they are going to read them.
I get you're concerned that people not pile onto acradic for the vitriol in the post he was carded for, but the real question is, why not go to each of them personally (via PM for instance, rather than posting here), tell them why that post was unacceptable, and coach them on how to make it, for lack of a better term, more palatable? Directives from mods carry weight, do they not?
For example, you can say this:
"I know you're frustrated at acradic's behavior, but what you've posted is unacceptable language. Why not instead try something like ___________ (<--this is where you get to practice your coaching) if you feel the need to express your opinion on this matter?"
Then you could point them to the staff code of conduct and the section on staff image,
and suggest that rather than making vague complaints they could read up on how staff are supposed to conduct themselves and instead make a well reasoned and impassioned, but acceptable post language-wise, that explains how they believe arcadic is seemingly not living up to a pledge he signed and how they feel this undermines the type of community these forums are attempting to create.
This was just an example, but rather than assuming an avatar tells you someone's response, maybe you could try and actually have a conversation with them and see! Telling someone they can't fish the way they're fishing is infinitely less productive than taking the time to teach them to fish the correct way!
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I notice also how his entire post is a long string of pot shots at other people. Seems like a long, hard look in the mirror is in order. Tensions are running high again around here, and there is absolutely nothing in the post you quoted that does anything to calm them, and in fact is basically does exactly the opposite. Ouch.
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So, it's the guy at SCG who posted on 9/11 that should really take the fall then.