I do enjoy you're righteous fury in your last post TB. You, Zinda, E_P...
Again Shalako was clearly not scum. After making epic fence sit post and then saying shalako is scum but he needs to think on it...
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I think this is the right move, and I sound so indecisive on Shalako because I am. It's not so clear cut as some are trying to make it sound. I held off voting simply because it's been a while since I read the thread and I wanted to make sure I had conviction in doing this.
I come in and set up the L-1, to see what happens and wham the quick lynch.
No warning, no admonishment for me making him the hammer vote, just the vote.
Vote: E_P
@AE if I was just setting someone up to condemn him, why didn't E_P do any of the things i mentionned?
@WUffles Scum roleblocker is more than possible, but I feel the three I mentioned are more deserving of suspicion for. I remain convinced you were just <FLAME DELETED> town and now, perhaps, is coming around.
Did you read Emo's post weighing the pro's and con's? It read more pro than con, and yet came up con. On top of that, as pointed out, no vote.
Other than my vote, what changed? Think on it.
I would've preferred my first perfect town victory...my only fear is going into night 3 after being mislinched. Hopefully we'll have more info by then.
2) Who is Wuffles suspicious of? Shalako and Infinis and Art.
2a) What do they have in common? Art is cleared, and Shalako should be cleared. Leaving me as the only one left he can attack freely.
2b) Having two of the three scum on an opposing wagon, near the lynch of their buddy is extremely unlikely when compared to a non-voter and bussers.
3) Ergo. Wuffles is OMGUS.
No great clamor rose up when I was shot at, this is true...aw screw it, you guys dislike my style and believe my thinking impenetrable, so let's get this party started. Shalako is not scum. Unvote. Vote: Shalako
I thought my opinions on infinis being shot were quite clear enough without me going "kay, good job shalako, have a cookie" when he did what I (and others, I think?) asked. At that point, I was more thinking "well at least he got something right". He got it right though, so for once I had nothing to criticize. I was happy with that.
Infinis, you are either scum with a terrible claim or townie with an ability that doesn't help us at all. You should be the one to die today, not Shalako.
You seem to agree that Shalako is not the play, amirite?
I do agree Shalako is not the play. You are the scum happy to have either town swing, or you think the scum are so stupid that they did this.
If you think Shalako is scum then he shot at not one, but both his buddies. As town, you would have had no idea if shalako only had one kill. So when he tried to kill me, that had to be a legitimate shot to a town player. It was to me. I will not reveal my thinking at that moment because the good mafia players left know why it's a bad idea to vote me. No one came to my defense. Equating that with my lynch is ignoring a factor in the equation, I hoped you've figured what that is out.
If you think I'm scum, then you think two scum were on your wagon, and if that isn't the textbook case of OMGUS then I'll vote myself right now. You can go on and on "it's just WIFOM infinis, both scum could've been on my wagon :mad:" But that is so ridiculous...
If you think Shalako is town, then why is he being voted?
If you think I'm town, you want me dead because my ability is useless? Wow.
I reiterate, if you can't see the hammer voter (perhaps even the L-1 voter) as scum over me then you are tunneling.
Wait, why are you assuming that you're the third scum? We never said that was part of the theory.
Wuffles whole attack that I must be scum since no one complained when Shalako shot me. Wuffle's right and wrong. He's right no one stood up and said that was a bad shot but wuffles is wrong in failing to say that no one went good job Shalako.
@Cyouni Shalako bluffing that he's a multi-shot Daykiller is the lie you've caught him in?
IIRC Wuffles and I were mentioned targets yesterday. The scum didn't try and kill the cop (for what it's worth I wouldn't have either), they didn't try and kill shalako who was threatening to kill two people (doesn't this clearly imply something to you guys) I know you all love to bandy about WIFOM, but that's the easy way out. How about this what happens if Shalako flips town? Can we narrow down scum suspects to overlapping wagons?
If you and Zindabad bothered to read my posts you would know I'm not a JOAT.
Like I said almost impossible to read James Joyce and you.
@Zinda Then why not an earlier vote? It seems as though you were laying a foundation just for this situation.
PF did say go ahead. I read the DK threat as a joke, but several insist it reads a legitimate threat. So either PF read it as a joke and didn't care or he knew he was bulletproof and didnt care. If he didn't know he was bulletproof and didn't think it was a joke he would've responded as such.
So this is the scenario you guys that are voting Shalako see:
1) Shalako is a one shot mafia Day killer
2) PF the BulletProof Godfather decides to clear Shalako by exposing his bulletproof-ness and waste Shalako's shot.
3) Then shalako goes on to expose the third and final member by faking a shot at me after the plan completely fails?
Shalako cannot be part of a genius scheme AND be a complete moron by exposing his third buddy. I didnt think PF was GF, I thought Shalako and him were both town.
My Shalako reading skills arent the best but it seems he claimed JOAT?
Anway there is definitively one bussing scum on the PF wagon, we just need to narrow it down.
Wuffles, you claim to have RB'd someone? If so who? I'll reread but it would make my life easier if you just restate it. If Archonoid and Art are cleared and We have the RB info, then we should be able to narrow it down to a smaller pool.
This phrasing is odd. Not "Infinis is clearly scum and should get lynched", but "no one is opposed to him dying".
Who are your current scum suspects?
Zind for the hammer and the second Idk. And you have been steadily moving up from the scum pile I put you in earlier. That is odd language. Wuffles "freaking out" could have been making the best out of their GF being discovered. It could also explain the stall mid lynch since we had two scum wagons.
If I had to bet real money, I'd say someone staying low key and one vociferous. Zind for low key and gut says, nothing else but gut...one of AE/EP.
Does anyone seriously think that Infinis being lynched is not going to happen today? Because nobody spoke up for him when we were dayvigging him.
Love the logic, because words would've stopped Shalako
Alright let's see TB, Zind, Cyouni, You, Shalako, AE(possibly E_P) That's a lynch, but you are forgetting the votes will have to be careful for two reasons: One wagon analysis when I flip town and Two...if you haven't figured that out then you need to play in more games.
...but to be honest I'm not convinced he's not town, anyways. He's been so ridiculously overconfident in his questioning this game that I would be very surprised if he flipped scum.
The way he was talking though, suggests to me that he is a JoAT.
Shalako, feel free NOT to elaborate though. There's already quite enough role info out here. I'm just talking to myself more than anything.
however, if you ask any more mind-numbingly silly questions of me, Shalako, now that you can't AZWOLG me, I will ignore them. So please think about what you're asking when you ask me questions from now on.
So Shalako does exactly what you asked of him, namely try and DK me, and you doubt him still?
Again Shalako was clearly not scum. After making epic fence sit post and then saying shalako is scum but he needs to think on it...
I come in and set up the L-1, to see what happens and wham the quick lynch.
No warning, no admonishment for me making him the hammer vote, just the vote.
Vote: E_P
@AE if I was just setting someone up to condemn him, why didn't E_P do any of the things i mentionned?
@WUffles Scum roleblocker is more than possible, but I feel the three I mentioned are more deserving of suspicion for. I remain convinced you were just <FLAME DELETED> town and now, perhaps, is coming around.
Yes. WIFOM is the only thing that would protect the hammer vote.
On me no doubt since I have my crystal ball back from the shop
My crystal ball sees his answer but I won't spoil the "surprise"
I'd like to hear from Wuffles too.
Got results didn't it?
Did you read Emo's post weighing the pro's and con's? It read more pro than con, and yet came up con. On top of that, as pointed out, no vote.
Other than my vote, what changed? Think on it.
I would've preferred my first perfect town victory...my only fear is going into night 3 after being mislinched. Hopefully we'll have more info by then.
1) What wagons do we have?
2) Who is Wuffles suspicious of? Shalako and Infinis and Art.
2a) What do they have in common? Art is cleared, and Shalako should be cleared. Leaving me as the only one left he can attack freely.
2b) Having two of the three scum on an opposing wagon, near the lynch of their buddy is extremely unlikely when compared to a non-voter and bussers.
3) Ergo. Wuffles is OMGUS.
No great clamor rose up when I was shot at, this is true...aw screw it, you guys dislike my style and believe my thinking impenetrable, so let's get this party started. Shalako is not scum. Unvote. Vote: Shalako
I do agree Shalako is not the play. You are the scum happy to have either town swing, or you think the scum are so stupid that they did this.
If you think Shalako is scum then he shot at not one, but both his buddies. As town, you would have had no idea if shalako only had one kill. So when he tried to kill me, that had to be a legitimate shot to a town player. It was to me. I will not reveal my thinking at that moment because the good mafia players left know why it's a bad idea to vote me. No one came to my defense. Equating that with my lynch is ignoring a factor in the equation, I hoped you've figured what that is out.
If you think I'm scum, then you think two scum were on your wagon, and if that isn't the textbook case of OMGUS then I'll vote myself right now. You can go on and on "it's just WIFOM infinis, both scum could've been on my wagon :mad:" But that is so ridiculous...
If you think Shalako is town, then why is he being voted?
If you think I'm town, you want me dead because my ability is useless? Wow.
I reiterate, if you can't see the hammer voter (perhaps even the L-1 voter) as scum over me then you are tunneling.
Wuffles whole attack that I must be scum since no one complained when Shalako shot me. Wuffle's right and wrong. He's right no one stood up and said that was a bad shot but wuffles is wrong in failing to say that no one went good job Shalako.
@Cyouni Shalako bluffing that he's a multi-shot Daykiller is the lie you've caught him in?
IIRC Wuffles and I were mentioned targets yesterday. The scum didn't try and kill the cop (for what it's worth I wouldn't have either), they didn't try and kill shalako who was threatening to kill two people (doesn't this clearly imply something to you guys) I know you all love to bandy about WIFOM, but that's the easy way out. How about this what happens if Shalako flips town? Can we narrow down scum suspects to overlapping wagons?
Like I said almost impossible to read James Joyce and you.
@Zinda Then why not an earlier vote? It seems as though you were laying a foundation just for this situation.
PF did say go ahead. I read the DK threat as a joke, but several insist it reads a legitimate threat. So either PF read it as a joke and didn't care or he knew he was bulletproof and didnt care. If he didn't know he was bulletproof and didn't think it was a joke he would've responded as such.
Cyouni is cleared cop so its one or two of the three remaining.
Zajnet (7) -
TheFooFish, Wuffles_II, Archonoid, Emo_Pinata, Cyouni, Toastboy, Zindabad1) Shalako is a one shot mafia Day killer
2) PF the BulletProof Godfather decides to clear Shalako by exposing his bulletproof-ness and waste Shalako's shot.
3) Then shalako goes on to expose the third and final member by faking a shot at me after the plan completely fails?
Shalako cannot be part of a genius scheme AND be a complete moron by exposing his third buddy. I didnt think PF was GF, I thought Shalako and him were both town.
My Shalako reading skills arent the best but it seems he claimed JOAT?
Anway there is definitively one bussing scum on the PF wagon, we just need to narrow it down.
Zajnet (7) -
TheFooFish, Wuffles_II, Archonoid, Emo_Pinata, Cyouni, Toastboy, Zindabadassuming Wuffles is cleared since he can now be directed, it has to be one of the remaining four if not two of them.
So Shalako voters you accept outlandish super scum strategy? Or the more often then not scum hammering to get town cred?
Zind for the hammer and the second Idk. And you have been steadily moving up from the scum pile I put you in earlier. That is odd language. Wuffles "freaking out" could have been making the best out of their GF being discovered. It could also explain the stall mid lynch since we had two scum wagons.
If I had to bet real money, I'd say someone staying low key and one vociferous. Zind for low key and gut says, nothing else but gut...one of AE/EP.
Love the logic, because words would've stopped Shalako
Alright let's see TB, Zind, Cyouni, You, Shalako, AE(possibly E_P) That's a lynch, but you are forgetting the votes will have to be careful for two reasons: One wagon analysis when I flip town and Two...if you haven't figured that out then you need to play in more games.
I don't know the definition of doubt in kiwi-land, but saying unconfirmed means you have a doubt about Shalako's alignment.
Shalako clearly does not have multi-daykills, because he would have offed someone way earlier.
And my two lines questioning you about it are "mudslinging" and/or me "not reading the thread"?
And @Artifice I think Wuffles and I played one before he disappeared, but that was years ago
So Shalako does exactly what you asked of him, namely try and DK me, and you doubt him still?