EBWOP: Wall of Silence!!!!!!!! Have you read half of this game. Wall of Silence!!!!!! That just pisses me off. Call me a insane player, a power hungry monster, a scum, or even a wild supporter of crap logic, but silent??? Do you not see the trouble my mouth has gotten me into. Do you not see the amount of things I've been saying?? Do you not see my suspicions always laid out???
Your second two questions are WIFOM because its just merely speculation and trying to guess a players actions, which I can't do and would borderline on paronioa. I could go back and forth all day with "would they vote for me, or wouldl they not."
Wall of Silence *grumble grumble*
I'm glad you made my point for me, the reason you won't answer those questions is because only sheer paranoia would have made you out yourself as Doc! (and we went over the ramifications of this on the vote already.)
You claim here that speculating about another players actions is borderline paranoia. You've already let the cat out of the bag with the Doc claim. You are or you are not paranoid you can't be both.
1) You are paranoid. You claim doc to protect yourself since you have no other reason than paranoia
2) You are not paranoid. You claimed doc because you had strong suspicions as I laid out in questions 3 and 4. Why not share them?
So answer my questions or you're contradicting yourself with this post.
Not as important as the people I've stated. If they want to join the party, great, if not, I'm not suprised.
Skander then referred to a critical point I was trying to make.
Let’s try it again since I’ve been relegated to lurking uselessness when I can’t reply to the barrage of back and forth posts that come in over night.
The post I will be referring to is here
Kpaca responded here
What I can’t believe is that no one seemed to think anything wrong with these answers.
Answer 1 is a valid argument, he was/is afraid of lynch and the town losing the doc without a fair chance of defending himself.
Answer 2 steps into scum territory. If kpaca had waited to see what people were doing, he would’ve realized there would be no vote over the American Thanksgiving weekend. But still he may have been worried.
Answer 3 What?!? Now you decide what you say will be WIFOM after dozens of posts of it! I made a clear and direct challenge to you, what did the last two undecided voters post that made you so fearful to claim Doc to stop your supposed lynching? Ein had posted sporadically I had I but I was directing my questions at Someone. I was not defending you per se but I was trying to see things your way, and look at Someone’s motives challenging you.
Answer 4 Again What?!? You continue to clam up and not call anyone out? You are almost immune from lynching at this point in the postings and yet you won’t answer a question about your suspicions other than the obvious problem you have with Someone?
And then I tried to justify your quick claim in my mind, hey if he can’t protect himself of course he claims doc in order to protect himself and another player, good strategy! But no, you continue the wall of silence.
I just cannot see a WIFOM defense for everything here, unless I’m making a blunder just as bad as a land war in Asia.
While we're talking about strange ideas, did someone (not Some One) mention No Lynching? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but I can't find it now. Is there any precedant for No Lynching after a Day 1 doc claim, for good or ill? Seems like we're just throwing away what we're trying to save: the town's lynch.
I was reading some strategy guides, trying to find this Doc claim defense. What I did find was that if NL is in play, then it should only be done near the end when around half the group is left. I leave it to you to look up.
@mod Can Doctor self-protect in this version?
As to the issue are both town, would not have one of them backed off the war or try a redirection to avoid this kind of deadlock? Did both feel a lynch was that eminent to let nothing get posted without an immediate response? It seems that a lot of this trouble came when each couldn't keep up with the questions coming from other players.
I was hoping to get a response to my last post...I think my 4 questions are key, to progressing either towards or away from Kpaca
Indeed, claiming at L-3 is kinda...weird...to say the absolute least. It is indicative of too much eagerness because if he was really town and was quicklynched before he could respond to whatever people threw his way, whoever the scum were that caused that would certainly have committed a murder suicide in the process.
It can be concluded that scum would cast the final votes because a townie would absolutely wait, and not want to possibly lynch the doctor before he could respond. Furthermore, if he really felt his bandwagon to this point was being scum controlled, there is no way three townies would suddenly quick lynch him.
Nope he was at L-2, with rook’s vote on kpaca and with ein voting WK and me yet to commit. If we only refer to posts before this one, then ein was still looking at WK and perhaps Skander. And I was grilling Some One.
@kpaca I will be in and out over the Thanksgiving weekend. Which makes me wonder:
Why did you not wait for Monday, even if you have no connection to the game during this extended weekend?
Why did you not wait to see what everyone said they were going to do this weekend?
What did I or Ein do to indicate we were both going to vote you for the lynch?
Who did you think was going to Unvote Some One and Vote you to make Ein and my vote irrelevant?
Some One is dead on with his analysis in the above post. Even if you were quicklynched, at least one mafia would’ve been ferreted out. One mafia dead, one townie dead, odds in towns favor. Even if the town lost a power role, say Doc, wouldn’t the town still have the edge?
I realize at this point kpaca is safe based purely on proper game strategy. But that leaves us the dilemma of who to lynch as Lord Penguin pondered before me. I guess we all have some rereading to do.
As far as LP noting Rook and Seph have not shared much of their opinions - Sephiroth is Sephiroth, there's little we can do about him but deal with it. People who don't post much at all really bother me, but there's no alternative.
Very interesting
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I find Infinis' approach to be rather innocent, likewise for Skander, because for noobs, they absolutely acted reasonably, but Kpaca on the other hand, should have definitely known better. One could say I am holding Kpaca and Infinis/Skander to different standards, but at the same time, Kpaca's approach was very scummy and Infinis and Skander seemed very innocent.
Another interesting point, which is further developed here in a post at Kpaca
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Can you honestly say your suspicions weren't baseless garbage and are all real suspicions? You said you would call LPs not questioning of you a noob mistake, but didn't every player you voted/FoSed with the exception of me and Seph get that vote or FoS because of a noob mistake? Did anyone you ever call out with the exception of me and Seph ever really do ANYTHING? Yeah, ok, LP skipped the random vote phase, big deal. Yeah, ok, a guy was at -4 during the random vote phase (in a 12 person game), it means nothing. For the same reason, I can't call out Infinis for wanting my opinions because what he had were the greatest of intentions but just did the wrong thing and didn't realize it. .
So asking for initial views is wrong, since we don’t want anything that is not a fully formed argument out there which will be immediately torn to shreds?
Since my last post Some One your tone has changed. I don’t know if you are trying to look less aggressive or with more people on Kpaca, your posts seem less aggressive.
Assuming that there are 3 Mafia, I have no knowledge other than what is posted here, and assume either Kpaca and/or Some One are scum, does that not leave a third lurker?
@Mod Are we waiting for the total vote to reach 7 or will there be a deadline? Sorry for the noob question ☹
I feel I’ve contributed but several have not carried their weight in the slightest recently when this flood began.
I would love to post a detailed player by player analysis again but alas exhaustion has me! The last piece is eluding me Hastings…a reread is in order!
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@ Everyone: I don't want people to think I'm only questioning Some One because of the "war" which was more of a joke in my sig than an actual war. I'm not really in some war with another member and actually like Some One outside the confines of this game (mafia is never personal, everyone should take that to mind).
To clarify, I meant war as in constant battle, not intentional hatred, inside or outside the game.
And yes it seemed to get a little personal for awhile with the back and forth posting. That being said, with a few exceptions, no one has taken anything too personally I hope.
You've been attacked for your random vote, and defended/removed it good enough for me.
So, what now?
You seem on the verge of going after Some One. Am I misreading that?
If so ('if you're on the verge', not 'if I'm misreading'), he just laid his opinions out on the table. Has he dissuaded that thought?
I have been weighing all the recent posts in my mind. I have been trying to separate personal bias vs. analysis. I read some of the posts about Mafia online. I even stuck a toe into the aforementioned Refrigerator Mafia game. I think some of you might have a little Mafia burnout from that game.
The Mafia analysis, for online play, is quite heavy. I can see the need for the large posts some of us are guilty of. I’ve looked into each post and tried to go deeper. I feel that each person has presented valid arguments, and that no one has definitively revealed himself or herself as scum. That being said, at this point of the game I didn’t expect any blaringly obvious evidence. A case could be created against most of us so far. However, the town seems to be turning towards kpaca and Some One.
So let me begin,
Quote from Rook »
@ Some One
Opinions! Cough 'em up!
Oh, and welcome to the game.
and then…
Quote from Some One »
At the same time I wanted the floodgates to open upon my entrance in this game, sadly, I cannot deliver. My attempts to make a case against anyone has gone entirely unfounded as a result of the behaviors of almost everyone. There are a considerable amount of people in this game acting extraordinarily scummy, and sadly, that number is a lot more than three. As a result, I do not feel I am in a position to single out any one particular person as of yet.
Anyway, I have read Ein as strongly town. We have very similar feelings and he has come off as very consistent thus far. Good job man - either 1 for playing town excellently or 2 playing scum EXTREMELY well. As I don't think it is 2, it must be 1.
@ Infinis - Do you have any substance to contribute, at all, whatsoever about anything?
The final line of this quote felt to me that it could be one or two things, as it reads you just want more information from me…you think I am lurking scum and that you want me to give up enough info to lynch me. Moreover, that I’m not helping the town enough, by not making any statements and thereby possibly scum.
I felt that I would be better served by learning how the game would play out before posting too much. I posted how I felt about the difficulty of Mafia online, it was responded to well enough. So I stayed on the sidelines and I defended my behaviors that others thought were suspicious.
As a result, I am not suspicious of Rook or Seph, but I am suspicious of [kpaca]. You wanted answers much quicker from me than you did from Rook. Rook was doing anaylsis post after analysis post, and you had not asked him once to state an opinion. On the other hand, I just show up here and you shortly there after request me to explicitly state my views...
Kpaca has been the most forward poster. I’ve read the same posts as you have and being forward and aggressive seems his only crime. Being a prominent townie is suspicious, it does lend itself to scumlike behavior. But in his defense he was not the first to ask for your input as I noted in the second quotation above.
...There is a big difference from whining and proving a point. I don't care about being "picked on" in forum mafia - it's a game, I realized that in the first game I played. I'm not making arbitrary decisions about what speed the game should go, but it should certainly be described as "slow." The relation of Kpaca trying to rush the lies in the ideas that he is trying to rush me, as opposed to say, Rook. Rook has done more analysis and questioning than I have, but not once did Kpaca want Rook to state his views.
Hmm, seems as if you did notice that Rook called you out first, maybe not. Either way, a nice way to pull Rook into your feud with Kpaca.
As to Rook not stating his views, no one can make extensive analysis purely on logic, apologies to Mr. Spock. His views must come out in his analyses.
I find it ironic that I have to explain the obvious, but to in order to (ironically) avoid being the arrogant ass that Some One is, I'll state that I voted for him not only because I detest everything he writes, but saying that he is beyond extremely suspicious is the hyperbolic understatement of the year.
I tried my best not to feel or think the way Edghyatt does here. Some of Some One’s posts don’t have the tone Edghyatt claims here, but for the most part Edghyatt is right. I desperately want to believe that Some One and Kpaca are just continuing a forum war that rages across the site, but there seems to be more to it. I think Lordpenguin sums it up well here…
I haven't got pages and pages of analysis to do here, let me just say quite simply that Some One, since you've been here, you've been quite an aggressive poster. That first quote especially seems particularly scummy, regards whether it is justifiable to withold valuable info, and several other thigns throughout these quotes particularly seem quite suspicious to me. You are whining that you are getting picked on instead of Seph or Rook, and making what seem like arbitrary decisions about what speed the game will or should go.
The general tone of your posts over the past few days/pages has made me quite uncomfortable with your alignment, so I think I will almost certainly vote Some One.
It seems to me a very ugly WIFOM dilemma. Is Kpaca scum? Is Some One scum? Are both? Is someone else a stronger candidate as scum? As for Kpaca and Some One and that WIFOM dilemma, both can easily say I’m just investigating the most suspicious player in order to help the town.
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Vote Count #3
The Waffle King (1) - ein
kpaca (2) - Sephiroth Owa, Some One, Ssbm Rocks1
Some One (3) - Edghyatt, The Waffle King, Lord Penguin
@Mod I believe kpaca voted Some One here. Did he unvote somewhere I missed, which is more than possible with the volume of posts?
I guess we are two ships passing in the night, never to meet.
1. I reiterate my random vote, imho, did not hurt or benefit the town in anyway at that point in the game. I did not think or read that the entire town was out of random phase. As previously stated, it was not a democratic decision but a personal one for each participant.
2. The only reason I received suspicions was due to the continued late vote, which I believe not to be scummy. Since that very belief is in doubt, then there is nothing I can say to persuade you otherwise.
3. I felt it was quite fast of you to go from FoS to vote, especially so early in the game.
@Some One It was implied that you should share your suspicions with us, thank you Skander.
As for the recent postings it's all WIFOM debate which is almost the pinnacle of irony. However it did not help much, information wise in my mind.
First off, that post was by kpaca who actually took a lot of heat for that move so I don't know why you would try to do the same in reverse. Also I see a big difference between a independent start and and independent non-start. The point of the random period as far as I can tell is to segue into serious. If an individual feels there is enough information to move onto serious why shouldn't he? However, to make an individualistic decision to stay in random does not help the town as the random phase holds no merit by itself; only as a means to get to the serious aspect. If the town is already by the serious aspect, what do you benefit by staying in random?
If I am being logical here then you must agree that point two has merit. After your response does not enlighten me as to your intentions I proceed to act on point number 2. I understand you don't like my vote on you, but I still don't think you have sufficiently answered the question.
I'm glad to see you have insights on the game. More posts like this one would go a long to way to improving your standing in this game.
I apologize for being really busy in RL but I am reading when I can. @Skander To address your point in bold above about me
Kpaca was not the only one who complained about being summarily pushed out of the random phase.
...a very aggressive play based on joke phase material. You may be out of the joke phase, but you don't have the ability to decide when everyone is out of that phase unilaterally.
Trigger happy, much?
Unilateral decisions of the game state, overly sensitive and aggressive play... maybe it is you who are scum and trying to push us around?
My point is that I was late and that you putting the FoS on me for being late and not unvoting quickly enough is aggressive play, especially after others voiced their concerns over when random phase ends.
...@Infinis, so it appears as though all your suspicions come down to OMGUS then?
@kpaca No, I clearly stated that the others have OMGUS suspicions about me because of my posts. I have tried to definitively explain my play, but with WIFOM suspicions it’s hard to clear the air.
I did not intentionally extend my random phase in order to act scummy, my one vote (back then) would not tip the scales either in the towns or scum direction so I thought it harmless. I reiterate it was a quick three votes over a misconstrued self-deprecating troll comment and a random vote kept too long. It seems to me that Skander saw a band wagon chance and jumped on.
Finally, @Some One Everyone else has at least FoS another player, have you any definitive suspicions…besides those about kpaca.
My final point about my initial vote, I voted at random. As was previously stated in the thread, the random phase ends when that poster decides not when it is decided by "...democratic process." I was slow in reading the posts. I was waiting for the a PM starting gun so to speak, so when I was nudged I began the game.
I read the first few post and took them for what they were, inane chatter, getting to know you, jokes, etc. I did not see anything that would affect later game play. Several of you tried to make it serious quite quickly starting at post #51. To wit, kpaca turns Lordpenguin's attention on me. It was a great move, if it's a joke, I look bad, if it's not a joke, it makes me look bad. So I tip my hat (egdy or otherwise) to you.
I go on to explain that I made a simple mistake based on inexperience and that I forgot that forum posts need to be extremely specific to avoid confusion.
I pull Ace's wrath because of my random vote because of ill timing. I apologize again, and again this behavior is taken as scumness.
I then posted that I thought forum Mafia would be extremely difficult(I still haven't drank the Kool Aid, but I can smell the flavor). I am trying my best to read everything for minutae and try to see the conections without going John Nash.
I have Ace and LordPenguin on me. Next comes Skander who defends me in post #110 or is at least staying logical and then jumps on the bandwagon in post #125. FoS Skander. It seems that Ace or LordPenguin could be scum but they could just as easily be angry for the reasons I stated above.
Rook posts diatribes mostly, but as has been said his posts are usually direct, logical and helpful.
Edg, Ein, W. King have not done anything to lean my opinion of them either one way or the other.
SSbm and Sep have been low key like myself so again no opinion.
As for Some One...he made a valid point I have not made any relevant game comments just metagame comments. So I hope this post satisfies him and Rooks request for more substantive posts from me.
I am out for Bat blood. Do not let my inexperience, in forums...not gaming, give Scum a chance to make us make their lives easier.
His first post jumps at myself under the excuse of "trolling". He refuses to revoke said vote, even though his excuse for voting is a banner in my signature, despite the fact that we've been out of the random phase for days now. He is quick to apologise for his vote...and yet does not unvote.
Infinis's posts strike me as someone trying to test the water. Scum have done this before - show up late to the party while under the guise of lurking, hoping they weren't missed as a bandwagon forms. He votes (which is pretty big at this point) without just cause, and then refuses to unvote. This strikes me as scummy, and something that shouldn't be allowed to fly under the radar.
FoS Infinis
Once again lack of knowledge has hindered me. As I said before maybe I have violated protocals here...seemingly I did by not unvoting. I presumed that a lynching would occur sometime within a reasonable amount of time, I did not know we were using PBEM standard amount of times.
So in the spirit of keeping the innocent from being punished. I unvote Ace.
As I suspected a random vote to show everybody he was interested in playing. If you could join in some of the discussions, it would be great. Who do you think is scum? Why? What observations do you have? Etc.
I think it has been pretty much covered, that previous game play commentaries have no bearing on a newbie game. In fact they should be phased out completely.
I repeat my previously stated viewpoint, without body language and hearing someone's voice, it is nearly impossible to make any determination of scumness. Furthermore, everyone is now an ultimate bluffer. I only let you guys know what I want you to know. I can't let slip any tidbits as to my possible role in the game. Anything that I may "let slip" would be intentional and may not even elicit any response.
For example, ::raspy voice::, "Alfred where's my Nyquil?" Am I the Batman? Am I being funny? Am I trying to be funny and failing? Am I even conveying my message properly? Did I violate a protocol, was I supposed to used different symbology and punctuation?
If this was chat I could see the reason for acronyms, FoS and the like, but with find and replace, why bother to save space? Readability perhaps but a newbie game should have everyone easing into the acronyms.
Lastly is this not a MTG site? If you have not seen The Princess Bride then turn in your gamer card.
Just a point about mandolin_summer and infinis, and other people who aren't posting much; there's been about 3 pages of mostly commenting based on people's performance in other games, which, while I'm not saying isn't possibly valuable insight, it kinda excludes newbies, and part of the point of newbie games is to introduce newbies to the forum, rather than starting with a mass of 'you must read this whole other game in order to have any chance of understanding wtf is going on'.
Also I'm newbie to forums, in general, I loathe trolls.
I played game in RL and was curious to see how this would work with no body language and/or tells. That being said...vote Ace.
I'm glad you made my point for me, the reason you won't answer those questions is because only sheer paranoia would have made you out yourself as Doc! (and we went over the ramifications of this on the vote already.)
You claim here that speculating about another players actions is borderline paranoia. You've already let the cat out of the bag with the Doc claim. You are or you are not paranoid you can't be both.
1) You are paranoid. You claim doc to protect yourself since you have no other reason than paranoia
2) You are not paranoid. You claimed doc because you had strong suspicions as I laid out in questions 3 and 4. Why not share them?
So answer my questions or you're contradicting yourself with this post.
Response:
Skander then referred to a critical point I was trying to make.
Let’s try it again since I’ve been relegated to lurking uselessness when I can’t reply to the barrage of back and forth posts that come in over night.
The post I will be referring to is here
Kpaca responded here
What I can’t believe is that no one seemed to think anything wrong with these answers.
Answer 1 is a valid argument, he was/is afraid of lynch and the town losing the doc without a fair chance of defending himself.
Answer 2 steps into scum territory. If kpaca had waited to see what people were doing, he would’ve realized there would be no vote over the American Thanksgiving weekend. But still he may have been worried.
Answer 3 What?!? Now you decide what you say will be WIFOM after dozens of posts of it! I made a clear and direct challenge to you, what did the last two undecided voters post that made you so fearful to claim Doc to stop your supposed lynching? Ein had posted sporadically I had I but I was directing my questions at Someone. I was not defending you per se but I was trying to see things your way, and look at Someone’s motives challenging you.
Answer 4 Again What?!? You continue to clam up and not call anyone out? You are almost immune from lynching at this point in the postings and yet you won’t answer a question about your suspicions other than the obvious problem you have with Someone?
And then I tried to justify your quick claim in my mind, hey if he can’t protect himself of course he claims doc in order to protect himself and another player, good strategy! But no, you continue the wall of silence.
I just cannot see a WIFOM defense for everything here, unless I’m making a blunder just as bad as a land war in Asia.
I was reading some strategy guides, trying to find this Doc claim defense. What I did find was that if NL is in play, then it should only be done near the end when around half the group is left. I leave it to you to look up.
@mod Can Doctor self-protect in this version?
As to the issue are both town, would not have one of them backed off the war or try a redirection to avoid this kind of deadlock? Did both feel a lynch was that eminent to let nothing get posted without an immediate response? It seems that a lot of this trouble came when each couldn't keep up with the questions coming from other players.
I was hoping to get a response to my last post...I think my 4 questions are key, to progressing either towards or away from Kpaca
Nope he was at L-2, with rook’s vote on kpaca and with ein voting WK and me yet to commit. If we only refer to posts before this one, then ein was still looking at WK and perhaps Skander. And I was grilling Some One.
@kpaca I will be in and out over the Thanksgiving weekend. Which makes me wonder:
- Why did you not wait for Monday, even if you have no connection to the game during this extended weekend?
- Why did you not wait to see what everyone said they were going to do this weekend?
- What did I or Ein do to indicate we were both going to vote you for the lynch?
- Who did you think was going to Unvote Some One and Vote you to make Ein and my vote irrelevant?
Some One is dead on with his analysis in the above post. Even if you were quicklynched, at least one mafia would’ve been ferreted out. One mafia dead, one townie dead, odds in towns favor. Even if the town lost a power role, say Doc, wouldn’t the town still have the edge?I realize at this point kpaca is safe based purely on proper game strategy. But that leaves us the dilemma of who to lynch as Lord Penguin pondered before me. I guess we all have some rereading to do.
Very interesting
Another interesting point, which is further developed here in a post at Kpaca
So asking for initial views is wrong, since we don’t want anything that is not a fully formed argument out there which will be immediately torn to shreds?
Since my last post Some One your tone has changed. I don’t know if you are trying to look less aggressive or with more people on Kpaca, your posts seem less aggressive.
Assuming that there are 3 Mafia, I have no knowledge other than what is posted here, and assume either Kpaca and/or Some One are scum, does that not leave a third lurker?
@Mod Are we waiting for the total vote to reach 7 or will there be a deadline? Sorry for the noob question ☹
I feel I’ve contributed but several have not carried their weight in the slightest recently when this flood began.
I would love to post a detailed player by player analysis again but alas exhaustion has me! The last piece is eluding me Hastings…a reread is in order!
To clarify, I meant war as in constant battle, not intentional hatred, inside or outside the game.
And yes it seemed to get a little personal for awhile with the back and forth posting. That being said, with a few exceptions, no one has taken anything too personally I hope.
I have been weighing all the recent posts in my mind. I have been trying to separate personal bias vs. analysis. I read some of the posts about Mafia online. I even stuck a toe into the aforementioned Refrigerator Mafia game. I think some of you might have a little Mafia burnout from that game.
The Mafia analysis, for online play, is quite heavy. I can see the need for the large posts some of us are guilty of. I’ve looked into each post and tried to go deeper. I feel that each person has presented valid arguments, and that no one has definitively revealed himself or herself as scum. That being said, at this point of the game I didn’t expect any blaringly obvious evidence. A case could be created against most of us so far. However, the town seems to be turning towards kpaca and Some One.
So let me begin,
and then…
The final line of this quote felt to me that it could be one or two things, as it reads you just want more information from me…you think I am lurking scum and that you want me to give up enough info to lynch me. Moreover, that I’m not helping the town enough, by not making any statements and thereby possibly scum.
I felt that I would be better served by learning how the game would play out before posting too much. I posted how I felt about the difficulty of Mafia online, it was responded to well enough. So I stayed on the sidelines and I defended my behaviors that others thought were suspicious.
However your later posts reveal something else.
Kpaca has been the most forward poster. I’ve read the same posts as you have and being forward and aggressive seems his only crime. Being a prominent townie is suspicious, it does lend itself to scumlike behavior. But in his defense he was not the first to ask for your input as I noted in the second quotation above.
Hmm, seems as if you did notice that Rook called you out first, maybe not. Either way, a nice way to pull Rook into your feud with Kpaca.
As to Rook not stating his views, no one can make extensive analysis purely on logic, apologies to Mr. Spock. His views must come out in his analyses.
I tried my best not to feel or think the way Edghyatt does here. Some of Some One’s posts don’t have the tone Edghyatt claims here, but for the most part Edghyatt is right. I desperately want to believe that Some One and Kpaca are just continuing a forum war that rages across the site, but there seems to be more to it. I think Lordpenguin sums it up well here…
It seems to me a very ugly WIFOM dilemma. Is Kpaca scum? Is Some One scum? Are both? Is someone else a stronger candidate as scum? As for Kpaca and Some One and that WIFOM dilemma, both can easily say I’m just investigating the most suspicious player in order to help the town.
@Mod I believe kpaca voted Some One here. Did he unvote somewhere I missed, which is more than possible with the volume of posts?
1. I reiterate my random vote, imho, did not hurt or benefit the town in anyway at that point in the game. I did not think or read that the entire town was out of random phase. As previously stated, it was not a democratic decision but a personal one for each participant.
2. The only reason I received suspicions was due to the continued late vote, which I believe not to be scummy. Since that very belief is in doubt, then there is nothing I can say to persuade you otherwise.
3. I felt it was quite fast of you to go from FoS to vote, especially so early in the game.
@Some One It was implied that you should share your suspicions with us, thank you Skander.
As for the recent postings it's all WIFOM debate which is almost the pinnacle of irony. However it did not help much, information wise in my mind.
I apologize for being really busy in RL but I am reading when I can. @Skander To address your point in bold above about me
Kpaca was not the only one who complained about being summarily pushed out of the random phase.
My point is that I was late and that you putting the FoS on me for being late and not unvoting quickly enough is aggressive play, especially after others voiced their concerns over when random phase ends.
@kpaca No, I clearly stated that the others have OMGUS suspicions about me because of my posts. I have tried to definitively explain my play, but with WIFOM suspicions it’s hard to clear the air.
I did not intentionally extend my random phase in order to act scummy, my one vote (back then) would not tip the scales either in the towns or scum direction so I thought it harmless. I reiterate it was a quick three votes over a misconstrued self-deprecating troll comment and a random vote kept too long. It seems to me that Skander saw a band wagon chance and jumped on.
Finally, @Some One Everyone else has at least FoS another player, have you any definitive suspicions…besides those about kpaca.
I read the first few post and took them for what they were, inane chatter, getting to know you, jokes, etc. I did not see anything that would affect later game play. Several of you tried to make it serious quite quickly starting at post #51. To wit, kpaca turns Lordpenguin's attention on me. It was a great move, if it's a joke, I look bad, if it's not a joke, it makes me look bad. So I tip my hat (egdy or otherwise) to you.
I go on to explain that I made a simple mistake based on inexperience and that I forgot that forum posts need to be extremely specific to avoid confusion.
I pull Ace's wrath because of my random vote because of ill timing. I apologize again, and again this behavior is taken as scumness.
I then posted that I thought forum Mafia would be extremely difficult(I still haven't drank the Kool Aid, but I can smell the flavor). I am trying my best to read everything for minutae and try to see the conections without going John Nash.
I have Ace and LordPenguin on me. Next comes Skander who defends me in post #110 or is at least staying logical and then jumps on the bandwagon in post #125. FoS Skander. It seems that Ace or LordPenguin could be scum but they could just as easily be angry for the reasons I stated above.
Rook posts diatribes mostly, but as has been said his posts are usually direct, logical and helpful.
Edg, Ein, W. King have not done anything to lean my opinion of them either one way or the other.
SSbm and Sep have been low key like myself so again no opinion.
As for Some One...he made a valid point I have not made any relevant game comments just metagame comments. So I hope this post satisfies him and Rooks request for more substantive posts from me.
I am out for Bat blood. Do not let my inexperience, in forums...not gaming, give Scum a chance to make us make their lives easier.
Once again lack of knowledge has hindered me. As I said before maybe I have violated protocals here...seemingly I did by not unvoting. I presumed that a lynching would occur sometime within a reasonable amount of time, I did not know we were using PBEM standard amount of times.
So in the spirit of keeping the innocent from being punished. I unvote Ace.
I think it has been pretty much covered, that previous game play commentaries have no bearing on a newbie game. In fact they should be phased out completely.
I repeat my previously stated viewpoint, without body language and hearing someone's voice, it is nearly impossible to make any determination of scumness. Furthermore, everyone is now an ultimate bluffer. I only let you guys know what I want you to know. I can't let slip any tidbits as to my possible role in the game. Anything that I may "let slip" would be intentional and may not even elicit any response.
For example, ::raspy voice::, "Alfred where's my Nyquil?" Am I the Batman? Am I being funny? Am I trying to be funny and failing? Am I even conveying my message properly? Did I violate a protocol, was I supposed to used different symbology and punctuation?
If this was chat I could see the reason for acronyms, FoS and the like, but with find and replace, why bother to save space? Readability perhaps but a newbie game should have everyone easing into the acronyms.
Lastly is this not a MTG site? If you have not seen The Princess Bride then turn in your gamer card.
I can see how my statement can be construed that way. I was trying to explain my lack of postings. I have been the troll
I vote Ace for the petty reason of huge jarring banner he has in his signature.
Also I'm newbie to forums, in general, I loathe trolls.
I played game in RL and was curious to see how this would work with no body language and/or tells. That being said...vote Ace.