Comparing this game to Crackhouse is pretty accurate.
unvote, vote Emo_Pinata
This has to be the best play I've seen in awhile. I need to get out my goblets and iocane powder.
Alright E_P, if I concede the point you are who you say you are. And further, you concede I am who I say I am. Let's continue and eliminate the confirmed players: Archonoid and Artifice.
Wuffs, Zind, A_E and Toast are left, correct? Who do you think out of only those four are the two remaining scum?
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I will try and post something meaty tomorrow. But we have all the choices in thread, we have two wagons, we have my L-1 wagon. Maybe we can overlap the three and come up with a better idea of who is scum. I believe it's you E_P, but we shall see.
Why do you have me on that wagon, over Zinda or Wuffles?
Put Zinda on then, but it's hard for me to think, that given the opportunity on a slam dunk mislynch ("Contested... my shiny metal butt") that he wouldn't have hammered.
I guess the forum ate my post because I don't see it.
In a vacuum, doctor is the go to scum claim. Since they try to get the counterclaim
In my experience, it's been about 1/4 when doc was claimed that we lynched the actual doc.
A.E. may have in fact bread-crumbed his intentions, to save the cop, but he didn't. So either this is a lie, or the scum are really good and saw the breadcrumbing and blocked him.
I'll look over his posts. Unvote. Vote: E_P which is what I wanted in the first place.
@MOD I'm voting E_P
@Archonoid I came to similiar conclusions, thanks for putting forth the effort. I'll do it with actual names to see what there is to see.
However there seems to be a pattern to the choices, has anyone broken that pattern? Possible Shamander incoming
Since it's unclear to me, let me ask outright, has anyone received a roleblock/roleblock like message? And @A_E what were you fishing for when you asked the same thing because I can't tell. You say something along the lines of ...I might have been messed around with but I can't tell exactly...so I'm wondering what you were driving at
I was on the precipice for far too long for the scum to miss their chance to lynch me. Which means to me that the entire scum team was committed to my wagon.
The choice of the many will outweigh the choice of the few. It takes 5 similar choices to lynch.
With Art and Archonoid in the confirmed pile and Zind and Wuffles in my "oh dear god if they turn out to be scum and lose this game they deserve scorn for all times" semi-confirmed pile.
I believe that it's E_P and A_E. But since I'm not trust worthy no matter how hard or how clear I make the fact that what I did pales in scumminess to E_P's hammer. and A_E's insta blindness and resultant flip flop.
So if E_P is random saint, then me, A_E, Toast and Archonoid lynch E_P.
Then if E_P is the saint and kills a town, it leaves A_E and toast as scum, since I'm town.
@Infinis: what do you think about Archmage's claim?
I have much more to say, but will await the rest of the claims to see if I'm seeing this straight.
I guess the forum ate my post because I don't see it.
In a vacuum, doctor is the go to scum claim. Since they try to get the counterclaim
In my experience, it's been about 1/4 when doc was claimed that we lynched the actual doc.
A.E. may have in fact bread-crumbed his intentions, to save the cop, but he didn't. So either this is a lie, or the scum are really good and saw the breadcrumbing and blocked him.
I'll look over his posts. Unvote. Vote: E_P which is what I wanted in the first place.
Ok, I want to bleieve your claim, but can you spell out what occured & what you think happened Night 1 and Night 2? Please make sure to label what you are guessing at as "guessing"
Hammering was not mandated! Yes Shalako was at L-1, yes the next vote would be the hammer, but I didn't force/control someone else's vote.
WIFOM time actual WIFOM. You believe as scum I set up this trap vs a scum quick hammering using me as a shield?
I do not know who is scum. So if I player who I think is scum makes a case on Player A that is valid and in line with bad behavior from Player A, then the player I think is scum is either bussing, setting up a townie, or I am wrong and the player I thought was scum is town. It does not invalidate the case unless I know that case making player is scum, which I don't.
@TB Finally LAL resulted in Shalako's death. Many gave "he was lying" as the reason for there vote, and stone walling. At L-1 was Shalako given a chance to say anything? Don't give me that BS "How long was he going to wait" I pointed out the facts about the speed of the hammer, intention to vote or not.
@Art no claims means they are feverishly trying to decide who will claim vanilla and who won't
I have a secret passive ability. It could be anything (I doubt bulletproof). I prefer to be lynched than shot, jic my ability is PGO or redirector etc. If I'm a miller again, I'm going to scream....That would be three in a row.
@Shalako You're 99% not scum. 1% left open for gambit, because your reasoning is so bad for the shot it has to be true.
Idk about Art. WwaB did nothing inspiring. Art pushed awful hard and heavy on Wuffles II, (which would've been the ideal investigation, but no) I don't see scum risking that with the GF caught out.
We have Cyouni, Art and Arch as confirmed town? Based on that
Leaving E_P, Wuffles, Toast and Zind as the zaj wagon and source of one if not two scum.
Pst it's Zind, hammering his buddy for town cred. Vote: Zindabad
I have played with A_E a bunch, what I think his meta is and what A_E's actual meta is could be two different things. Hence null. Not looking it up is irrelevant.
1. Painting my choice as scummy, nice. That's twice painting a choice as scummy has been done (Wuffles was 1st I believe). So either you attacked him for the same him, or you need a Ritz.
2. I'd prefer not to die, but if I have to die let it be the lynch since Shalako may die by the passive ability.
3. Miller, last time I checked, is a passive ability so it is within the spectrum of things my ability could be.
I'm revealing my passive ability now since there weren't two deaths last night (I'm assuming choice of day/night kill but not both back to back) and a town resource is possibly at risk.
Here it is again. That's two.
And would know that if you looked up my posts because one of my posts STARTS WITH THE CLAIM! The laziness is just epic.
So vague. You don't have a name? Something thats bolded?
So much wifom. Why would others unvote when they thought Shalako to be scum. Not town like yourself. Your playing this game somewhat backwards.
You want to lynch someone else. You have a second suspect(just like Zindabad) but you place your vote on me.
I'm happy with my vote.
I know and nothing I say can change your mind.
Zind is a suspect and so are YOU. The case on YOU is stronger. My gut says Zind is scum, Not a case (like on you) or major behavioral scum tell(like you did).
My name is Secret Role, if you want to call it a name, hence my early soft claim gambit, since there is nothing to soft claim that I can see.
No I didn't misrep. You set up Emo and claiming WIFOM before Emo had posted shows you had no intention of hearing him out. You set Emo up (or who ever else hammered) for the fall.
THE HAMMERER DID NOT HAVE TO HAMMER! Anyone could have unvoted before it came down. Did E_P allow that to happen? No. He went for the jugular and is now using WIFOM and his "intent" to vote as a shield. Intent is not compulsion.
Onwards, Am I allowed to have a vote guys? I've made it clear my number one suspect is Emo. That wagon is going nowhere. I still need a second scumspect, which was Zind, but that was mostly gut. I leave the door open it's possibly Toast but I doubt it.
Zind made a case. I did wait a bit for my attack on A_E since I was at L-1 for quite a while.
I'll summarize, I'm town. Shalako was town. Shalako was caught in a gambit, not a lie. That the cop nor he were killed N1 speaks volumes to the scum not believing he had multiple DK or thinking that he would target town D2(who was that again, oh yeah me)
If I'm lynched I ask that you lynch Emo tomorrow and do not let my death be swept under the rug by slander.
I've claimed twice and now three times. I have an unknown passive ability. I've had no messages or indications from the mod as to what it is. The only clarification I've received is that the ability cannot be actively used, hence passive.
Since it seems lost on some and others are ignoring, I want to make my point again.
I DID NOT MAKE ANYONE HAMMER. I baited the wagon of a obvious town member. I did set up someone for the fall, there was no way for me to know who would hammer.
E_P indicating he wanted to vote at L-2 is different than having the will to hammer. I can not control E_P. But I did force the next voter to be the hammer. E_P's vote was rash compared to his play up to that point. He had numerous options including doing nothing for a day or two. He chose hammer instead and hammer alone. I've enumerated the many options he had, he chose poorly. He is scummy at best and most likely scum.
I am town, I've set up traps and gambits. I do not mean to sound arrogant as so many of you read me. Far from it, I get frustrated that my POV is rarely accepted. This is a game, but I take it far too seriously.
Comparing my play to Grim Batol is false in only that my role changed as I found relics, I had hoped for another change.
Unvote
Zind, you are on my scum list, but your case on A_E is better than my gut.
Better than your case on A_E is this Romney-istic action by A_E
Don't like it. You say nothing in regard to looking back on Shalako but coming voting. Like Toastboy said. Condemning him to scum but not voting. Then swooping in for the hammer.
Great.
A_E nows who is scummier, but when the tide turns against me
I really dislike how infinis is hiding behind his vote. All premeditated in the way of who ever hammered he would condemn them. I just don't get pushing the wagon to L-1 thinking the player is town just to push the hammer vote the next day.
I do want people to stay active too. Getting down to crunch time, can't afford to have some lurking or not as active. Yeah I'm looking at you Zindabad and Toastboy. But no need to rush it. I'm looking at voting infinis but I'm not doing it so soon. Wait for everyone to at least post. Emo still has to get in here and talk about that hammer even though infinis is already brushing it aside.
Misrep, all I was doing was focusing on the hammer
Yes Emo did in fact post his intentions to place a vote down on Shalako. Not voting at that time looks genuine to me as to not push him to L-1 just yet. Infinis took that time to be opportunistic and set Emo up knowing Emo would be placing a vote down in due time.
Plus the fact that 'this guy is town I'm voting him' nonsense.
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Your excuses about "Shalako isn't town but I'm going to put him at L-1", hoping to catch a scum hammering a townie, might make sense except for a couple of reasons.
1. E_P declared his intent to vote Shalako. At that point, if you thought he was scum, why vote Shalako instead of E_P?
2. Let me guess. It was a deadline and too late to make a case on E_P. OK. So if that's the case, and it was, because the game's rules state a deadline ending the day will result in No Lynch, how can you blame E_P for hammering Shalako and moving the game along? How much longer was he supposed to wait?
...But all the same, I'm getting that sinking feeling about Infinis being town. He just seems too...weird to be scum. I'd still prefer to go with AE today.
1. I thought he was scummy for waffling, but not scum. At that point in the game it was You (Zind) and no clue who else as scum to me. Shalako plays like a petulant child, (No offense meant) but he's gung ho when he gets a power role and then gets pissy and doesn't cooperate when things arent going his way. It was clear that this was his town game. I needed leads and momentum would have been hard to derail. So therefore, I wanted to see who would hammer.
I think this is the right move, and I sound so indecisive on Shalako because I am. It's not so clear cut as some are trying to make it sound. I held off voting simply because it's been a while since I read the thread and I wanted to make sure I had conviction in doing this.
vote Shalako
3-27-12 Hammer
My argument is why not wait a day? or two? There was more than a week left.
Why not give a simple warning, "I'm hammering... last words shalako?"
Why not say "you suck Infinis for making me hammer, but here it is"?
With more than a week to go he could have waited. He made his intention to vote clear, but he did not allow for enough time to see anything else play out.
Why didn't he vote at L-2 and then turn around in less than 24 hours and slam home the hammer?
@A_E you're hinting at information, ergo a target for scum. I'm honestly surprised the hammer hasn't gone through since you revealed you have info. So we're waiting on what for you to reveal the info? Just asking for clarity not attacking.
@A_E I'll be dead before you get anything and then you'll be deaded tonight.
Back to things. You can slice it anyway. Disagree with me over a thousand things.
E_P did not vote with his post because he was unsure. A vote at that time was not the hammer. A not completely inconsequential vote to put Shalako at L-1, but compared to the hammer? What could have possibly have happened for him to go from intent to vote to the hammer? Why not vote in his post when it didn't mean a townie lynch?
Anything would have been better than that hammer. He waited 10 posts and less than 24 hours to hammer! I can't help but quote the Simpsons "I was elected to lead, not to read".
Let's play out the scenarios: bear in mind that E_P believed Shalako to be scum, since he hammered.
A) I'm scum and E_P is town. E_P thinks I'm bussing with my L-1 vote. He hammers and pursues me today.
B) I'm town and E_P is scum. E_P quick hammers pursues me today, he gets two town, when I flip town he again blames the victim. vis-a-vis "Shalako was so scummy"
C) I'm town and E_P is town. E_P is misguided in the extreme and continues to be so.
D) I'm scum and E_P is scum. E_P is cleared.
D is ridiculous, but think what you will.
C is possible but I can't accept such horrendous play from him.
A is impossible because Shalako flipped town. Once Shalako flipped town he can say i was scum piling on a town wagon, but at the hammer vote he didn't know. he could've easily called me out as scum with the hammer but didn't.
Leaving B and C as the probable scenarios. Preview: I flip town. I'm going also guess no one on my wagon is even considering that?
And finally at least Wuffles is now cleared to me, no hammer makes me think he's town. Hammer after the info is null to me.
A hammer vote by a townie on a townie is null, but that is in a vacuum. We have what went down, to show otherwise.
TL:dr;
E_P
Waffled at L-2
Hammered at L-1
This change of heart ("Conviction") was less than 24 hours and less than 10 posts, and less than a third of the players alive posted . No condemnation of my vote just the hammer. Read the thread after the hammer. It's all there.
I really don't have anything to explain, and I'm not sure how people are so pissed. Shalako lied, completely gave up after coming under pressure from lying, and I decided to vote after waffling on it. I waffled on it because I've (very obviously) been absent from the game for a while and didn't want to vote right then. When was the appropriate time to hammer? 2 days? a week?
If this is scum speaking, I'm done. When was it appropriate to hammer really? How about after a clear warning you are going to a hammer? How about a post "Last Warning Shalako, say something or I'm hammering" or how about "Can I get a confirmation from the mod of the votecount"
You did nothing of the sort you waffled (fence-sit in my mind since you didnt vote but hardly a lie.)
Shalako's only explicit lie was the multi-DK. If he as town could draw fire from the scum, after outting scum, why not lie about it?
I can't even attempt to defend my position because there's nothing to defend, I mean let's look at the attacks:12 hours later.
OK? I said Shalako was scummy but didn't want to vote him after not being in the thread for a while, and then once I read more I voted. What's the problem?
Where on Earth are you pulling this from? My post did not have more good to say about Shalako than not, I explained why I didn't vote, and I had a clear intention to vote. This post has no bearing in reality, and this is now the second or third gambit from inifnis.
Why? What about it?
Seeming that I said Shalako was scum int hat post, it's not a fence sit.
Your gambit fails in its conception, and it's easy to prove how.
No warning is a lie, I made my intention to vote clear.
So?
What? What things you mentioned?
This is such an infuriating bull**** vote that I'm shaking.
"Infinis may have posted some bull**** gambit explaination, but since he posted EP is scum." Good logic.
For those not wanting the read, there's been almost no mention of content whatsoever. I provided the analysis and drew a conclusion from analysis. Instead of discussing my analysis, people are reacting to me voting. This is actually worse play than the idiots in MH's mini that started pushing me just because I hammered, because I provided all my opinions in the thread quite clearly. There was no fence sitting, there was only a delay to vote.
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What are you mad about?
You are ****ing kidding me. This is what you're going with now? You spent Day 1 attacking anyone and everyone pretty much solely based on keeping their role close to their chest or not.
No he wasn't, he was calling shal scum for the last half of the day.
To what end? There's really nothing to gain from outing our roles with no cop and a roleblocker around.
@Toast: did you receive notification you were blocked?
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Let me get back to inifinis. His gambit was pure opportunism. He set up a "gambit" in the name of making anyone who hammered Shalako look bad, and since I said I thought Shalako was scum it's clear who his target was. Besides, there's plenty of evidence his gambit was not to catch scum, but to set up a vote on me:
Not only had I called Shalako scum, but I called shalako scum while no voting anyone else. That means there is only one place my vote is probably going to go. It doesn't take any thought to actually see that. And since inifinis is actually squatting on this logic while misrepresenting the facts he clearly had this in mind.
Sorry guys, I've been neck-deep in designing a bus bar for work. One of those square peg that needs to fit in a tiny round hole type thing. If I don't get it done, then I am holding up my entire project day to day.
I am saying this with detail I don't normally provide to convey how sorry I am for not posting. I know how long it's been and I feel awful - especially with the deadline starting to loom (<2 weeks remaining).
That said, I do have this to say:
I read Shalako as being very earnest in his posting and playing off the cuff. I absolutely abhor lying always, but Shalako is one of the players who would lie as town anyways because that's just how he is. I'm sort of torn on it, but there is a break-down to my thoughts:
Good:
- Very off-the-cuff thinking and the emotional response seems genuine.
- pinkfloyd seems completely surprised by the shot at him.
- pinkfloyd brags about still being alive to rub Shal's nose in it.
- I have trouble seeing this as a gambit.
Bad:
- Lying about additional shots. On top of that, lying about the thing that confirmed him to people. The likelihood of painting yourself in the corner just to be confirmed seems likely just from the temptation.
- Being a sullen stick in the mud about people not liking him lying. Yes, his responses are emotional and seem genuine, but he has to know he ****ed up here and I think most people would react by trying to suck up to the town and trying harder. The caveat being that Shalako is kinda a stubborn dick when he's playing.
- If pinkfloyd seems surprised by the gambit, it can also imply that Shalako made a unilateral decision to gambit and simply made a bad move that he hemmed himself into. That plays along with tying himself to a lie that confirms him.
Taking a look at this written out I'm pretty convinced Shalako is scum. I need to take some more time before voting though.
I think this is the right move, and I sound so indecisive on Shalako because I am. It's not so clear cut as some are trying to make it sound. I held off voting simply because it's been a while since I read the thread and I wanted to make sure I had conviction in doing this.
vote Shalako
This is the hammer vote people. Read and re-read it. Instead of doing any or all of the townie things he should have, he did this. "Held off" is not 10 posts. "held off" is not less than 24 hours. "held off" is not having only three people
chime in.
And Emo's latest post, are you kidding me???
The scum are gambiting on reputations. Do not let this happen. They can't risk killing me because of my unknown ability. A lynch is risky but way better than trying the NK.
Can you see how the scum is blaming the town here?
1) E_P hammer on Shalako was my fault. 2) I set E_P up to be the hammer to condemn him (or anyone else for that matter with that line of thinking). 3) E_P can't be scum because scum wouldn't hammer in that situation.
This has to be the best play I've seen in awhile. I need to get out my goblets and iocane powder.
Alright E_P, if I concede the point you are who you say you are. And further, you concede I am who I say I am. Let's continue and eliminate the confirmed players: Archonoid and Artifice.
Wuffs, Zind, A_E and Toast are left, correct? Who do you think out of only those four are the two remaining scum?
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I will try and post something meaty tomorrow. But we have all the choices in thread, we have two wagons, we have my L-1 wagon. Maybe we can overlap the three and come up with a better idea of who is scum. I believe it's you E_P, but we shall see.
Put Zinda on then, but it's hard for me to think, that given the opportunity on a slam dunk mislynch ("Contested... my shiny metal butt") that he wouldn't have hammered.
@MOD I'm voting E_P
@Archonoid I came to similiar conclusions, thanks for putting forth the effort. I'll do it with actual names to see what there is to see.
However there seems to be a pattern to the choices, has anyone broken that pattern? Possible Shamander incoming
I was on the precipice for far too long for the scum to miss their chance to lynch me. Which means to me that the entire scum team was committed to my wagon.
That's L-1 on 04-04-2012, 01:51 AM
Zind could've hammered and no issue for him. but he doesn't on 4/5/12 5:19 PM
Here Tan makes it clear I'm L-1 so anyone before that scott free
Wuffles could've hammered
and L-2
Art could've hammered many times but he didn't so that confirms his alignment to me.
This leaves my wagon as the scumpect list
for clarity and the non link clickers
With Art and Archonoid in the confirmed pile and Zind and Wuffles in my "oh dear god if they turn out to be scum and lose this game they deserve scorn for all times" semi-confirmed pile.
I believe that it's E_P and A_E. But since I'm not trust worthy no matter how hard or how clear I make the fact that what I did pales in scumminess to E_P's hammer. and A_E's insta blindness and resultant flip flop.
So if E_P is random saint, then me, A_E, Toast and Archonoid lynch E_P.
Then if E_P is the saint and kills a town, it leaves A_E and toast as scum, since I'm town.
I'll boil down the scenarios tomorrow.
I guess the forum ate my post because I don't see it.
In a vacuum, doctor is the go to scum claim. Since they try to get the counterclaim
In my experience, it's been about 1/4 when doc was claimed that we lynched the actual doc.
A.E. may have in fact bread-crumbed his intentions, to save the cop, but he didn't. So either this is a lie, or the scum are really good and saw the breadcrumbing and blocked him.
I'll look over his posts. Unvote. Vote: E_P which is what I wanted in the first place.
Idk. I'm giving you a reason for the delay.
Hammering was not mandated! Yes Shalako was at L-1, yes the next vote would be the hammer, but I didn't force/control someone else's vote.
WIFOM time actual WIFOM. You believe as scum I set up this trap vs a scum quick hammering using me as a shield?
I do not know who is scum. So if I player who I think is scum makes a case on Player A that is valid and in line with bad behavior from Player A, then the player I think is scum is either bussing, setting up a townie, or I am wrong and the player I thought was scum is town. It does not invalidate the case unless I know that case making player is scum, which I don't.
@TB Finally LAL resulted in Shalako's death. Many gave "he was lying" as the reason for there vote, and stone walling. At L-1 was Shalako given a chance to say anything? Don't give me that BS "How long was he going to wait" I pointed out the facts about the speed of the hammer, intention to vote or not.
@Art no claims means they are feverishly trying to decide who will claim vanilla and who won't
There's my first claim, Toast.
Here it is again. That's two.
And would know that if you looked up my posts because one of my posts STARTS WITH THE CLAIM! The laziness is just epic.
I know and nothing I say can change your mind.
Zind is a suspect and so are YOU. The case on YOU is stronger. My gut says Zind is scum, Not a case (like on you) or major behavioral scum tell(like you did).
My name is Secret Role, if you want to call it a name, hence my early soft claim gambit, since there is nothing to soft claim that I can see.
THE HAMMERER DID NOT HAVE TO HAMMER! Anyone could have unvoted before it came down. Did E_P allow that to happen? No. He went for the jugular and is now using WIFOM and his "intent" to vote as a shield. Intent is not compulsion.
Onwards, Am I allowed to have a vote guys? I've made it clear my number one suspect is Emo. That wagon is going nowhere. I still need a second scumspect, which was Zind, but that was mostly gut. I leave the door open it's possibly Toast but I doubt it.
Zind made a case. I did wait a bit for my attack on A_E since I was at L-1 for quite a while.
I'll summarize, I'm town. Shalako was town. Shalako was caught in a gambit, not a lie. That the cop nor he were killed N1 speaks volumes to the scum not believing he had multiple DK or thinking that he would target town D2(who was that again, oh yeah me)
If I'm lynched I ask that you lynch Emo tomorrow and do not let my death be swept under the rug by slander.
I've claimed twice and now three times. I have an unknown passive ability. I've had no messages or indications from the mod as to what it is. The only clarification I've received is that the ability cannot be actively used, hence passive.
I DID NOT MAKE ANYONE HAMMER. I baited the wagon of a obvious town member. I did set up someone for the fall, there was no way for me to know who would hammer.
E_P indicating he wanted to vote at L-2 is different than having the will to hammer. I can not control E_P. But I did force the next voter to be the hammer. E_P's vote was rash compared to his play up to that point. He had numerous options including doing nothing for a day or two. He chose hammer instead and hammer alone. I've enumerated the many options he had, he chose poorly. He is scummy at best and most likely scum.
I am town, I've set up traps and gambits. I do not mean to sound arrogant as so many of you read me. Far from it, I get frustrated that my POV is rarely accepted. This is a game, but I take it far too seriously.
Comparing my play to Grim Batol is false in only that my role changed as I found relics, I had hoped for another change.
Unvote
Zind, you are on my scum list, but your case on A_E is better than my gut.
Better than your case on A_E is this Romney-istic action by A_E
Good.
Great.
A_E nows who is scummier, but when the tide turns against me
Flip
Misrep, all I was doing was focusing on the hammer
And Flop
Flip Flop complete.
Vote: Archmage Eternal
1. I thought he was scummy for waffling, but not scum. At that point in the game it was You (Zind) and no clue who else as scum to me. Shalako plays like a petulant child, (No offense meant) but he's gung ho when he gets a power role and then gets pissy and doesn't cooperate when things arent going his way. It was clear that this was his town game. I needed leads and momentum would have been hard to derail. So therefore, I wanted to see who would hammer.
2. Deadline issue
4-6-12 Deadline
3-27-12 Hammer
My argument is why not wait a day? or two? There was more than a week left.
Why not give a simple warning, "I'm hammering... last words shalako?"
Why not say "you suck Infinis for making me hammer, but here it is"?
With more than a week to go he could have waited. He made his intention to vote clear, but he did not allow for enough time to see anything else play out.
Why didn't he vote at L-2 and then turn around in less than 24 hours and slam home the hammer?
@A_E you're hinting at information, ergo a target for scum. I'm honestly surprised the hammer hasn't gone through since you revealed you have info. So we're waiting on what for you to reveal the info? Just asking for clarity not attacking.
As E_P said I've already claimed. Mass claim if you wish.
Back to things. You can slice it anyway. Disagree with me over a thousand things.
E_P did not vote with his post because he was unsure. A vote at that time was not the hammer. A not completely inconsequential vote to put Shalako at L-1, but compared to the hammer? What could have possibly have happened for him to go from intent to vote to the hammer? Why not vote in his post when it didn't mean a townie lynch?
Anything would have been better than that hammer. He waited 10 posts and less than 24 hours to hammer! I can't help but quote the Simpsons "I was elected to lead, not to read".
Let's play out the scenarios: bear in mind that E_P believed Shalako to be scum, since he hammered.
A) I'm scum and E_P is town. E_P thinks I'm bussing with my L-1 vote. He hammers and pursues me today.
B) I'm town and E_P is scum. E_P quick hammers pursues me today, he gets two town, when I flip town he again blames the victim. vis-a-vis "Shalako was so scummy"
C) I'm town and E_P is town. E_P is misguided in the extreme and continues to be so.
D) I'm scum and E_P is scum. E_P is cleared.
D is ridiculous, but think what you will.
C is possible but I can't accept such horrendous play from him.
A is impossible because Shalako flipped town. Once Shalako flipped town he can say i was scum piling on a town wagon, but at the hammer vote he didn't know. he could've easily called me out as scum with the hammer but didn't.
Leaving B and C as the probable scenarios. Preview: I flip town. I'm going also guess no one on my wagon is even considering that?
And finally at least Wuffles is now cleared to me, no hammer makes me think he's town. Hammer after the info is null to me.
A hammer vote by a townie on a townie is null, but that is in a vacuum. We have what went down, to show otherwise.
TL:dr;
E_P
Waffled at L-2
Hammered at L-1
This change of heart ("Conviction") was less than 24 hours and less than 10 posts, and less than a third of the players alive posted . No condemnation of my vote just the hammer. Read the thread after the hammer. It's all there.
If this is scum speaking, I'm done. When was it appropriate to hammer really? How about after a clear warning you are going to a hammer? How about a post "Last Warning Shalako, say something or I'm hammering" or how about "Can I get a confirmation from the mod of the votecount"
You did nothing of the sort you waffled (fence-sit in my mind since you didnt vote but hardly a lie.)
Shalako's only explicit lie was the multi-DK. If he as town could draw fire from the scum, after outting scum, why not lie about it?
Let's go to what you posted.
And then...
This is the hammer vote people. Read and re-read it. Instead of doing any or all of the townie things he should have, he did this. "Held off" is not 10 posts. "held off" is not less than 24 hours. "held off" is not having only three people
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And Emo's latest post, are you kidding me???
The scum are gambiting on reputations. Do not let this happen. They can't risk killing me because of my unknown ability. A lynch is risky but way better than trying the NK.
Can you see how the scum is blaming the town here?
1) E_P hammer on Shalako was my fault. 2) I set E_P up to be the hammer to condemn him (or anyone else for that matter with that line of thinking). 3) E_P can't be scum because scum wouldn't hammer in that situation.
Don't fall for this trap, we can win.