MTG Salvation

Scum disliking conversation at twilight is one of my preferred tells.

Why DK? I never noticed anything scummy about him.

In hindsight WG and Karn makes sense, since the reason I cleared Karn was because he was willing to reread the OP and investigate if WG was certainly lying scum or not and scum are not willing to reread to investigate no one. The thing is: scum are willing to investigate if their buddies actions make sense since they know he would not be lying cause they know their buddies actions are true from the QT.

So Karn trying to discover if WG investigating Iso was a real possibility does not clear him if WG is scum. It does however if WG is town.

Swish's post are certainly not coming from a wronged townie that was just mislynched for the loss, so at least we are safe from instant defeat. I'm happy that my read of him was correct after all, sorry for suspecting you Iso but the situation was suspicious. WG stock has just plummeted and I'm pretty sure he's one of swish buddy, and since Iso is now confirmed town and is so sure of Karn I'm willing to reevaluate my read of him but I need to reread swish interactions with everyone to discover.

So if I'm not alive tomorrow, WG is a good place to start. But take notice of mine's and Iso's last reads. I still suspect Cy and it's probably between Cy, WG, and Karn.

@Guys that seem to have ideas for nifty basic You probably don't, basics are not experimentation room, it's for the bread and butter mafia games. I think most basics should just copy the old basics of the past and tweak them, they do not really require development, except for flavor.

@Iso Ahhh, I see. So we need to create a contest for mini/normals then. Maybe another contest focused on flavor!

Too many games will never be a problem (unless they are run simultaneously but no one is advocating that). I think the real problem is that we will end up in a world where all games are from just one mod.

"Ok, we have finished Iso's Basic 4, so we will start signups for Iso's basic 5, right after Iso's mini 14 signup phase finish. Ah don't forget signups for Iso's speciality 3 are online".

Where are the games from the contest? There where so many good one's there... I know I worked in a few that looked amazing.

Thanks, but what I meant was if the kill could be redirected into a scum. Some mods let the scum kill themselves others do not.

So we lost swish?

Some last words of advice anyway.

@Jailer Forget the protective mode, the chances of hitting are much lower than by using the roleblock mode, because there's still 2 or 3 scum out there, but much more townies than that. Good luck.

@Redirector the scum will not make their scummiest player do the kill, do not choose the obvscum, choose the second next. If swish flip town and Iso is confirmed scum the chances of Iso doing the NK are almost nil. I'm not saying who you should choose because that would nullify our chances so good luck. Also it's important to clarify with the mod if the kill can actually be redirected for a scum or not, if yes choose Iso as the target if he's confirmed scum, if this does not work choose me as the target because I will explode on the scum for great justice.

Actually one maindeck plummet is quite fine, the chance of it not having a target is very low since everyone loves fliers and they are usually awesome, better still, if they actually do not have fliers.. we have nothing to fear since we are winning anyway because our ground forces are quite formidable.

I agree the staff is unimpressive but we were lacking playables and with a sanguine bond online it can do cool stuff.

I disagree with three colors because we weaken the shade, the corrupt, the staff and our mana base for minimal gain. Two bounces spells and a 2/3 flash flier are not worth those losses imho and we even have to use the crappy ingot.

Also who's playing this? Again I'm not available.

You guys want to know what the real problem is? Requiring setups to be complete before signing up, this makes hard for the designers to actually work on the setups because they don't see their name going up the queue therefore have no pressure or timeframe to actually finish their games so they keep slacking off. I know this happens to me.

Can't you guys see that swish is very afraid of a no-lynch? This all happened because we were going into that direction, and even if you are town and he scum Iso he has the SSC and has a plan that does not involve a no-lynch day.

Even considering swish is scum we will have another day to deal with him tomorrow with more info, it's not like we can only lynch him toDay. There's no reason for we to haste this, there's simply too much involved. WG pushing so hard for this also makes me wary.

Let's no lynch toDay and regroup tomorrow when there's no scum with the SSC.

Quote from Sir Karn

Or Wheat lynch

While I entertained the idea the chances of lynching WG and hitting are lower than 50%(the Iso/swish dichotomy) therefore that's not optimal play.

I've said my piece, I prefer a no lynch to better analyse the situation with more info tomorrow. If I'm killed toNight don't lynch DK, Karn or Gman at all costs. The scum are probably between Cy, Iso, swish and WG.

Iso and swish cannot be scum together.

Signing off, hope to see you tomorrow.

Quote from swishh

We're lynching Iso, DRey. Stop with this no lynch business.

There's no way we're lynching Iso before you. The options are no lynch or your lynch.

@WG every time you post the idea of lynching you becomes more and more appealing. Everyone has mixed feelings about the whole situation here, since this is far from an easy one and can determine our defeat, but you seem very sure of yourself. I don't know if this is a bus or a last ditch to end the game toDay but one thing is clear: you are clearly scum or you wouldn't be so sure about stuff and careless about your vote.

Also there's one more reason for we not risk lynching toDay,we have claimed way too much information in the thread(partly my fault :(), the scum already know who has the scc, the jewel and the bomb that plus their own artifacts make the job of determining who's the jailer or the redirector (if it isn't them already) pretty easy considering that even if we hit correctly between iso and swish the one to be lynched will have the scc and will shoot another guy.

Yes when he claimed SSC I was ready to put him in the confirmed town pile, however that didn't mean we should not lynch him because of that, the plan consisted in lynching the ssc guy no matter what and we were in route to doing just that until you interrupted.

In the end I don't think you are capable of such a lousy play as town, but I do think you are capable of such a good play as scum. That doesn't mean we are lynching you before swish because we are not, never.