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Magic Market Index for April 20th, 2018
Pauper Review: Dominaria
The Limited Archetypes of Dominaria
  • posted a message on Authenticity of an Unlimited Black Lotus?
    The rules text looks dithered and the card border is highly suspect. Either that picture is grainy as hell or it's fake.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on Colored specks in Revised Underground Sea light test
    Looks like gaps in the blue layer to me. Magic cards are printed on a poker card stock. The blue layer provides opacity and mottling to prevent players from being able to see through cards even under a bright light. It also acts as a bonding layer. So, any holes in the blue layer would show up as bright spots of light in a light test. I'm guessing that is what is going on here.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on Nevinyrrals Disk, original beta or not?
    The rosettes look good. Pre-revised cards were printed at a lower LPI.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on Tropical Island/Underground Sea fake check
    Corners and dark backs are both suspicious but within range for Revised. I don't see anything obviously wrong here.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on Revised Edition Backs Differences
    It's suspicious. Not normal but not a definite sign of fakery. It's a pretty common type of minor misprint for the era. The backs are printed before the fronts so they can differ quite a bit.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on Berserk + Gauntlet of Might
    The asymmetrical wear actually isn't too bad and is in a pattern consistent with box wear. The color seems desaturated but I can't tell whether that is the cards or the scan. The top black layer has a suspicious amount of chipping on both cards but it is consistent and could be box wear too. And there are some obvious artifacts from the scan (shear lines). The printing otherwise seems normal at a glance.

    My vote is: probably real, but I can't be certain from the pics. Either these are cards that went from pack to box where they have sat ever since, or some counterfeiter has really stepped up their game. I wouldn't be too surprised either way.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on Judges sue Wizards of the Coast
    I am not a judge and don't know any judges so I don't really have a dog in this fight or an opinion on which way it should go.

    That being said, I am not sure of the accuracy of some of the legal things being claimed. I work for the government. Where I work we have unpaid interns and volunteers. They have to show up on time and do work. If they don't we let them go. They have security badges, computer accounts, and scheduled breaks. They have to follow a code of conduct, dress code, etc. They don't get paid. Their only compensation is the experience they gain, a letter of recommendation if they do well, and maybe a few free lunches. If they don't like us, they are free to turn in their badge and quit at any time.
    This is pretty common and totally legal because they fit the criteria here:

    Judges definitely deserve fair compensation for their work but they sound like even less of employees than our interns and, not being a lawyer, I don't understand what the distinction would be.
    Posted in: Rumor Mill Archive
  • posted a message on Unlimited Black Lotus and others, 600dpi Scans included
    As a professional appraiser, I have been involved in multiple court cases involving Magic cards.

    If it is getting legal, here's what I would strongly recommend:
    You need unambiguous documentation from an impartial recognized expert. Ideally, they should have handled the cards in person.
    You can send the cards to PSA or BGS and have them slabbed and formally appraised.
    Do not try to pass off what some website or some guy on a forum told you as evidence.
    Do not try to do the appraisal yourself. You are not impartial nor an expert.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on MTG: Supply & Demand vs. "Cartel"
    Quote from Loath »

    Let's say a big seller invested X amount of dollars in purchasing boxes of some set because of certain hyped cards. They also received cards from the same set through buylist purchases and bulk purchases. Then a card on the bulk list is featured in a combo and it goes through the roof. They basically got this card for little or no investment, but can now sell it for a ton.

    No. Purchasing boxes and bulk lots is expensive and requires getting the big cards to break even. Most cards that you get this way are about as good as opening blank pieces of paper as far as your return on them. This is why the Magic fanbase is so rabid about "Don't open sealed product thinking you'll get your money out; buy singles instead." And bulk lots are pure lottery with most not being worth the price. It is not "little or no investment".

    I doubt there is too high a demand for them now, but it isn't driving the prices to the ground. I'm not saying that all sellers need to just take the price to zero or that they are in anyway obligated to do anything to the price if they don't want to. I'm just wondering, what the factors are that effect this. Or, in other words, what exactly goes into the price memory of a card.

    The fact that people are complaining about the prices proves that there is demand. The cards will be priced at points where they think it will eventually sell. If they never sell then the prices will be lowered. If the cards sell, then they were correct that people wanted the cards at that price. Price stickiness is our fault. If something has been valuable but dropped, the people who own it don't want to devalue it and the people who couldn't afford it before start jumping on it increasing demand. Again, the fact that you complain means that it still has demand. It's just human nature.

    What I AM, however, saying is that WOTC is essentially enabling a cartel. Why are they doing it? To make money, yeah, who knew cartels would be profitable.

    No. WOTC does not make money on the secondary market, unless you are talking about the sealed product that big stores are purchasing. In that case, there is nothing stopping you from investing thousands of dollars into sealed product and doing it yourself. After the cost of the product, storage, sorting everything, and actually running a storefront to sell the stuff, I think the margins are thinner than you are expecting. You are not understanding what a cartel is. The "formal agreement" part is really important here. The heads of SCG, CH, ABU, and T&T do not have clandestine meetings where they agree on set prices and wring their hands in delight at your suffering. It is actually the opposite; they have an incentive to undercut each other. But if they undercut too low, they will lose money when people buy them out at a low price. So all of their prices tend to settle at around the same places, as high as they can sell for but low enough that their competitors don't put them out of business with better prices.

    That being said, the prices have gotten high. But I think the reasons are different. Collectors and speculators have locked up precious supply. And WotC has to be careful about slowly doling out the good cards at high rarities so we have to keep coming to them set after set like the good little addicts we are. And these factors do create a weird symbiotic relationship but there are no cartels involved.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [[Official]] What is the most pimp card/deck you've seen or owned? (SEE RULES!)
    Quote from PopeJP »
    Ugh, this thread is so bad for my wallet. I picked up a set of JingHes recently, didn't know about the Minagishis. What are they?

    Popular unofficial tokens out of Japan.

    There have been tons of unofficial tokens over the years. A few got very popular and collectible while others seem to have been forgotten.

    Misc. largely forgotten unofficial tokens
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [[Official]] What is the most pimp card/deck you've seen or owned? (SEE RULES!)
    Hey guys. I stepped out for a while. Sold a lot of my collection, but mostly the less cool parts. Now I'm actively collecting again in preparation for my next book. Anyways, I thought you might like to see what I've been working on. Also, sorry for the potato pics. The charger for my real camera is busted until next week.

    Here's my Forest test print collection progress:

    And since we are showing off tokens, here are my JinHes and Minagishis (the duplicates have different backs):

    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Getting Rid of the Financial Burden Called MTG
    Quote from Xenphire »

    To be honest my train of thought isn't about how many views it will get as much as how much discussion I feel can come from quitting threads and what anyone can really learn other than "Sorry; gl; hf". We just had another thread about quitting that essentially was a blog post that his personal life and reasons he chose to quit after you dug through paragraphs of fluff. If you're choosing to quit because it's bad for you in your current state of life, why discuss it at all? Chances are that no one on these forums knows you personally, and at best it's like you're digging for a justification for being wrong because so you can have a reason to renege on the decision later (which you're claiming is the "best thing" for you, in this moment.) Most of these posts comes down to one of a small a handful of reasons, but 90% of them are "Magic costs too much" on the surface, when this game has so many formats and ways to play that it truly never has to cost too much, except when you need a convenient reason to quit for whatever the real reasons may be.

    I don't see quitting posts as de-facto fluff pieces. It's part of the cycle that pretty much every hobbyist goes through. I myself largely dropped out of Magic collecting about a year and a half ago. Loath has provided intelligent input for years and this experience is a part of that. I think that when to leave the hobby is an important discussion as long as it's handled in a mature way.

    I have also valued your input for many years brother. I know that you speak from experience here.
    Quote from Xenphire »
    I personally quit Magic because I got tired of the money it took to stay involved and caught up with it all. No matter what format you play you end up paying money for it, and as a college student who no longer had any friends who played it, I really didn't see any point in continuing. With the netdecks all around and cookie-cutter decks, its not like it had become anything but a game of chance anyway at the pro level. I don't care what anyone says about competetive Magic, it's just not worth the money or time, especially when you're in college and don't have much money to begin with.

    Now that I look back on it, the only reason I started playing Magic to begin with was because there was nothing else to do...

    Of course it is hard to justify an expense when you aren't enjoying the results. Of course it comes down to personal reasons and it's likely that nobody here knows Loath personally. But it's a cautionary tale with important questions and lessons. Everyone leaves the hobby eventually. What are good reasons? When is a good time? And what is the healthiest way to handle it? Loath gave his answers to all of these questions in the post. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I respect and value the input.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Unlimited Black Lotus and others, 600dpi Scans included
    I don't see any red flags for the beta one.

    The unlimited one looks very wrong and at a glance I would say that it's an overprinted fake. The black text layer should have sharp edges but they are fuzzy. I thought the picture was out of focus but the ultra pro sticker looks sharp. If that image is in focus and that is how the card really looks then it is fake. Otherwise we need a higher quality scan to tell.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on Just getting into Legacy and those purchases make me nervous (USea, LED, Volcanic)
    I don't see any obvious problems but fine details really get lost with those copier scans.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
  • posted a message on This Taiga I received through Pucatrade had some doubts...
    Rules text of the first card looks dithered but I can't tell for sure with the small image.
    Posted in: Card Authentication
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