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Thanks. Who amongst those claiming Tom is obfuscating do you think is most likely to be scum?
OK. I read your #93 as guessing my motive for voting rather than a straight question. So I explained why I voted instead because it didn't have anything to do with whether I agreed with your reads or not.
Since it transpires you were genuninely asking me those questions and not actually adressing my vote, I'll answer: at the time, I don't think I would call any of them slam dunk town reads. Cheesecake was (and is) looking the best of them, but the others are pretty tenuous really - certainly nowhere close to calling the game easy. That's why I think you didn't genuninely consider them all strong town reads - you just listed them because other people were and you wanted to join in and get town points for making town reads. And if you are scum, you probably didn't list four townies - being able to slip a buddy into the list provides even more incentive to put some hard, burgeoning consensus town reads on record. Plus the more general "rule of threes".
All of Shadow, Cantrip, and LnGrrR being town is a big call. What are the key indicators in your mind that it's all a big town hoohah? Who would be the scum around the edges of it?
Also how come I get both a light town read and a light scum read?
Please could you rephrase that? I can't work out which way round you mean >_>
To clarify, you're not impacting my fun or anything, I'm just finding it weird that you're being quite short with people (going all in on LnGrrR, "NOTED" against GJ, sniping at Vaimes, challenging Rhand to the THUNDERDOME). But you're not really under any pressure, nor would I associate this with you as either alignment - pressure or not. Maybe it is just over excitement that's being expressed in an odd way. After your V/LA (why bother declaring this for under a day??) could you take a step back and see if you can more calmly reflect on things?
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Given that you were so keen to discuss my reasons for voting you, but followed my response in #136 with nothing apart from a quick OMGUS by putting me at the bottom of your nulls list, I wouldn't say I was the one willfully not engaging.
Glibness aside, #236 was actually a direct invitation for you to explain why you moved your vote - although I grant it was phrased rather rhetorically.
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Tom: Thoughts on Rhand/Shadow as w/w? It would explain why Rhand was so happy to accept Shadow's "mindmeld" in #138. Also while I have you, what do you think about Shadow's #149 ("Random hottake: Cantrip is intentionally trying to play in a feisty manner to mask his alignment from the likes of myself/Tom.")
RE: Tom in general, I think I have a decent framework for reading him here. I can't really discuss details until he's given me enough data points, but I know what I'm looking for. Right now, he's in my town bucket for thinking along the lines to me RE: Shadow at least.
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Hey Vaimes, as I understand it, you're getting bad feelings about both Shadow and Cantrip. Do you think that their proximity of voting for LnGrrR is indicative of them being not knowingly aligned?
I wouldn't say it falls into the same buzzwordy category, but that one relies on context - are they doing it to avoid engaging, or do they think it might go somewhere?
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you
Would be keen to hear Tom's take on this
Are you in a bad mood or something Cantrip? You're being kind of snippy, but I don't really associate that with you as either alignment under the current very minimal pressure you're under.
In danger of veering to far into abstract theory, I don't agree. They become seen as wolf tells because they're the sort of thing people thinki wolves do, without necessarily actually having support in practise.
Alright, I'll stop being coy, even though you didn't ask for my reasons, you presumed them and presumed incorrectly. I voted you because I agree with Tom that town Shadow would be more likely to feel loose enough to bandwagon onto Eco with his bro rather than just observe but not join in. I felt that your town reads list was presented at a time when they were starting to acquire town cred and at a time when people were gaining town cred for posting town reads - it looked like an attempt to cash in by committing to the budding consensus and try and get into a town circle. Finally I felt like your vote on LnGrrR was a bit of a setup - you were so keen to see LnGrrR's response, but I don't really agree that's it's forced nonchalance, nor that "oh crap shutting up" would be a more likely thing for a townie to do. So the vote looks opportunistic after intentionally avoiding straight following Cantrip.
Great work. What were you trying to achieve by heavily implying it and now confirming it? How does this benefit the town?
*Squints* Can't tell if attempting to appease attackers or genuninely understanding their motivations.
I don't quite agree - scum get caught off less, but I think they still get caught off more nuance (even if that nuance is "they tried to make a RVS joke that betrayed uncharacterstic nervousness *ahem*). I just don't think scum would basically ask "hey gang who is power" and expect it to a) reveal anything or b) fail to get noticed. Or rather, I don't really believe that you believe that as strongly as you say you do.
But right now, I'm working on a soft un-aligned between Shadow and Cantrip (since this is too much theatre and I don't think they'd want to both tie themselves by consecutive voting at this stage), so I guess I'll leave it and see how Cantrip's convictions in this matter evolve.
Townies are dumb? It's not like I think it was a townie thing to do, or that there was a good reason for it, but I think fishing (and especially the obvious kind that is essentially asking "power roles please raise your hands") is within the same set of scumtells as OMGUS and WIFOM - things people like to vote over but are very low-value as scum tells.
That's not the only reason, nor did you ask for them. But nice shade attempt.
Becuase I find it Questionable that you believe so strongly that scum would be so obvious. Does LnGrrR really srike you as the type of person to play riskily or think he can get away with things?
Since you have apparently managed to get some strong feelings out of it, could you explain those more? What about the opposing behaviours of Cantrip and Shadow are towny? Do you have an opinion on Cheescake's alignment?