Thanks for the game. Really enjoyed D1. Was the weird way everything mafia related passed through me designed to make me paranoid or was I just seeing things?
I would've hated to be town in this game (even though it turns out that the town made some really bad plays, it's hard to evaluate people's alignments when they could always switch and only a single mafioso from the start).
I thought my theory was pretty clear.
Ok: ~V~ had been fairly aggressively going after Anak for the past couple of game days...
This continued right up until his replacement. Then PM steps in and unvotes. Presumably, this is so he can review the game and make some impressive PBPA or something to catch a scum, but after this long, his only real finger pointing has been at vezok, in a reactionary manner back in post #3051.
I think ~V~ maintained the early attack on Anak today for appearances only, and fully intended to unvote later on had he not been replaced. Since PM stepped in, it was the perfect cover for him to unvote under the premise of "reviewing the game" while at the same time stalling the game in an effort to save his new buddy.
But again, they're two different people. It's just as likely they just had different opinions.
Final bit of proof? If we are at LYLO, that means there's a 4-man scum team. If Anak has been town all this time, and hasn't been lynched yet, it would mean DV, Vezok and myself have all been scum trying to force through a mislynch. Since I know my own alignment, I'm certain this isn't the case.
If Anak was town, there would have been an attempt at a speed hammer by now, because that would end the game. The simple fact there hasn't yet means leads me to conclude Anak is scum.
Well this at least makes sense.
@ced: If this is Lylo, than Anak is scum. If it isn't Lylo, well it isn't Lylo.
@PM Nobody has made a behavioral case on me. They are voting me because of boredom and some crazy theory. Of which I have no way to respond other than to deny it.
I wouldn't mind lynching vez honestly. He was playing really suspiciously (pushing for night D1 as PM reminded us), is a traitor who could have flipped, and is just impossible to read as either town or scum. Or Talore. Because he should have flipped and the only evidence we have that he didn't is him telling us he is town still.
The second paragraph is kind of hypocritical after the first one, don't you think?
After two weeks of reviewing the thread, that's the only opinion you have on whom you believe to be scum? No analysis on a player? No PBPA? Nothing beyond a reactionary FOS? If that's not evidence of you being scum, I don't know what is.
Can you explain the PM - V thing you're saying. I still don't get it.
OK, since nobody else seems to care enough to even bother with posting.
My theory - ~V~/PM flipped last night to the scum. Since ~V~ had maintained a strong attack posture on Anak for the past few days, it would be suspicious for him NOT to vote Anak early. (He might have unvoted later, I'm fairly sure jordman would try and bus a buddy under suspicion quickly... but that's supposition on my part.)
I'll ask this though: If the argument I've been making today was coming from someone generally recognized as a good player (say DYH), would it be ignored?
I still don't see it. V's opinions were consistent. PM disagreed with V. What's the issue?
And yes, I'm guilty of lending more weight to arguments from strong players but in this case it wouldn't matter. The premise doesn't hold.
Yeah, I know, but I was hoping for some insight/activity. Your post looks like you're begging off, which ain't good if you're town, and is just fine if you're scum.
I find it difficult to believe guys like you and Ced are at a complete loss.
Insight-wise I've been kind of lost since the long night. I remember thinking that one of DV and Anak were scum but can't remember the reasoning. Other than that the only thing I can really comment on is DV's survivor claim, which I don't really like since we already had a non-traitor neutral survivor but it all comes back to it being a bastard game...
Activity-wise, I'm really busy. I'm trying to post more but falling short.
Stop bussing me
Seriously guys
All I remember from last Amistarian is how horribly it ended :mad:.
/in
No games atm.
Managed to get that in in time. Didn't know that that was going on, but ZDS definitely deserves to win that.
Ahem.
Nice playing with you, MH
I would've hated to be town in this game (even though it turns out that the town made some really bad plays, it's hard to evaluate people's alignments when they could always switch and only a single mafioso from the start).
That was a really fast hammer
But again, they're two different people. It's just as likely they just had different opinions.
Well this at least makes sense.
@ced: If this is Lylo, than Anak is scum. If it isn't Lylo, well it isn't Lylo.
Unvote Vote Anak
The second paragraph is kind of hypocritical after the first one, don't you think?
Can you explain the PM - V thing you're saying. I still don't get it.
Agreed. I tend to only like PVP. Though GW2 looks like it has a decent chance of actually drawing me into the actual storyline.
I still don't see it. V's opinions were consistent. PM disagreed with V. What's the issue?
And yes, I'm guilty of lending more weight to arguments from strong players but in this case it wouldn't matter. The premise doesn't hold.
Insight-wise I've been kind of lost since the long night. I remember thinking that one of DV and Anak were scum but can't remember the reasoning. Other than that the only thing I can really comment on is DV's survivor claim, which I don't really like since we already had a non-traitor neutral survivor but it all comes back to it being a bastard game...
Activity-wise, I'm really busy. I'm trying to post more but falling short.
Well, whatever we do if we lynch wrong today it makes sense for Ced to shoot someone (assuming we don't instantly lose).