RDW/DDW is NOT in the top 5 decks right now. the deck sucks. The only reason it top 8 every now and then is because there's 2329347 people playing it. compare it with kithkin, which has a comparable number of people playing it, and count the number of Top 8s that kithkin has.
This guy probably downloaded the lastest 5ccontrol list and just tried to play it.
WTF!?!?!?!'s Security Code: 93BFE576/sb [Type 2]
P-A's Security Code: A8969B35/sb [Type 2]
It is now turn 1 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
P-A shuffles library
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
It is now turn 2 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A draws a card
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
P-A draws a card
P-A draws a card
P-A draws a card
P-A draws a card
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
P-A draws a card
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
<P-A> kp
WTF!?!?!?! draws 7 cards
WTF!?!?!?! takes a mulligan
<WTF!?!?!?!> kp
WTF!?!?!?! plays Vivid Marsh from Hand
Vivid Marsh now has 1 (+1) counters.
Vivid Marsh now has 2 (+1) counters.
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Mountain from Hand
P-A plays Mogg Fanatic from Hand
P-A taps Mountain
<P-A> Your turn
It is now turn 4 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Vivid Creek from Hand
Vivid Creek now has 2 (+2) counters.
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 5 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Ghitu Encampment from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 18 (-2)
<P-A> Your turn
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 19 (+1)
It is now turn 6 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Vivid Grove from Hand
P-A rearranges cards in P-A's Hand
Vivid Grove now has 2 (+2) counters.
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 7 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Mountain from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 18 (-1)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
P-A taps Mountain
P-A plays Fulminator Mage from Hand
<P-A> Ok?
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Marsh
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Creek
WTF!?!?!?! plays Remove Soul from Hand
P-A puts Fulminator Mage to Graveyard from Play
<P-A> Your turn
WTF!?!?!?! puts Remove Soul to Graveyard from Play
It is now turn 8 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Sunken Ruins from Hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 9 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Mountain from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 17 (-1)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
P-A plays Fulminator Mage from Hand
<WTF!?!?!?!> Ok
<P-A> Thinking
P-A sacrifices Fulminator Mage
WTF!?!?!?! puts Vivid Marsh to Graveyard from Play
<P-A> Your turn
It is now turn 10 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Adarkar Wastes from Hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 11 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<P-A> Thinking
P-A taps Mountain
P-A untaps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
P-A taps Mountain
P-A plays Boggart Ram-Gang from Hand
<P-A> Ok?
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 13 (-4)
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
It is now turn 12 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<P-A> Your turn
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Flooded Grove from Hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 13 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
P-A untaps Mountain
P-A untaps Mountain
<P-A> Ok?
<WTF!?!?!?!> ok
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Creek
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Grove
Vivid Grove now has 1 (-1) counters.
WTF!?!?!?! taps Sunken Ruins
WTF!?!?!?! plays Esper Charm from Hand
<WTF!?!?!?!> Ok?
<P-A> Ok
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 7 (-6)
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
<P-A> Your turn
WTF!?!?!?! puts Esper Charm to Graveyard from Play
It is now turn 14 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Mystic Gate from Hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 15 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Mountain from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Creek
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Grove
WTF!?!?!?! taps Sunken Ruins
WTF!?!?!?! taps Adarkar Wastes
WTF!?!?!?! taps Flooded Grove
WTF!?!?!?! taps Mystic Gate
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
<WTF!?!?!?!> umm no
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A untaps Ghitu Encampment
P-A untaps Mountain
P-A untaps Mountain
<P-A> whatever
<P-A> go
WTF!?!?!?! plays Cloudthresher from Hand
<P-A> k
WTF!?!?!?! puts Cloudthresher to Hand from Play
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 3 (-4)
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Vivid Creek
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Vivid Grove
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Sunken Ruins
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Adarkar Wastes
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Flooded Grove
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Mystic Gate
<P-A> umm no
<WTF!?!?!?!> cant do it lol
<WTF!?!?!?!> LOL
<WTF!?!?!?!> LOL
<WTF!?!?!?!> LOL
<WTF!?!?!?!> Lol
<P-A> yes you can
<P-A> lol lol lol lol
<WTF!?!?!?!> show me
<WTF!?!?!?!> ?
<P-A> tap adarkar for lbue
<WTF!?!?!?!> ok
<P-A> flooded groove
<WTF!?!?!?!> b
<P-A> then remove 2 counters from creek and grove
<System> Player Lost
What the cow?
He was dead anyway. I had lethal in hand, Jav + Incinerate. He was just nitpicking.
People who consider cutting the Ranger have no idea how to play this deck and how it runs. Keep your useless comments to yourselves and play crappy decks. We are trying to make this work.
That second list you posted looks very solid. I'm not sold on Oblivion Ring, simply because my meta does not call for it, and also because most of the time I'd rather expand on my threats rather than lose a turn dealing with one.
Sigh... please get back on the topic of the actual deck. This has been discussed plenty before and it's tiresome.
I've been considering Chandra Nalaar in the maindeck, for more versatile removal. Lot's of QnT in my area.. she's difficult to get rid of by them. Thoughts?
Spam infraction. -iRebel
You're right, Elves / Rock is much better.
WTF!?!?!?!'s Security Code: 93BFE576/sb [Type 2]
P-A's Security Code: A8969B35/sb [Type 2]
It is now turn 1 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
P-A shuffles library
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
It is now turn 2 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A draws a card
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
P-A draws a card
P-A draws a card
P-A draws a card
P-A draws a card
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
P-A draws a card
WTF!?!?!?! shuffles library
<P-A> kp
WTF!?!?!?! draws 7 cards
WTF!?!?!?! takes a mulligan
<WTF!?!?!?!> kp
WTF!?!?!?! plays Vivid Marsh from Hand
Vivid Marsh now has 1 (+1) counters.
Vivid Marsh now has 2 (+1) counters.
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Mountain from Hand
P-A plays Mogg Fanatic from Hand
P-A taps Mountain
<P-A> Your turn
It is now turn 4 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Vivid Creek from Hand
Vivid Creek now has 2 (+2) counters.
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 5 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Ghitu Encampment from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 18 (-2)
<P-A> Your turn
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 19 (+1)
It is now turn 6 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Vivid Grove from Hand
P-A rearranges cards in P-A's Hand
Vivid Grove now has 2 (+2) counters.
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 7 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Mountain from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 18 (-1)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
P-A taps Mountain
P-A plays Fulminator Mage from Hand
<P-A> Ok?
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Marsh
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Creek
WTF!?!?!?! plays Remove Soul from Hand
P-A puts Fulminator Mage to Graveyard from Play
<P-A> Your turn
WTF!?!?!?! puts Remove Soul to Graveyard from Play
It is now turn 8 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Sunken Ruins from Hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 9 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Mountain from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 17 (-1)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
P-A plays Fulminator Mage from Hand
<WTF!?!?!?!> Ok
<P-A> Thinking
P-A sacrifices Fulminator Mage
WTF!?!?!?! puts Vivid Marsh to Graveyard from Play
<P-A> Your turn
It is now turn 10 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Adarkar Wastes from Hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 11 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<P-A> Thinking
P-A taps Mountain
P-A untaps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
P-A taps Mountain
P-A plays Boggart Ram-Gang from Hand
<P-A> Ok?
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 13 (-4)
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
It is now turn 12 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<P-A> Your turn
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Flooded Grove from Hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 13 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
P-A untaps Mountain
P-A untaps Mountain
<P-A> Ok?
<WTF!?!?!?!> ok
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Creek
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Grove
Vivid Grove now has 1 (-1) counters.
WTF!?!?!?! taps Sunken Ruins
WTF!?!?!?! plays Esper Charm from Hand
<WTF!?!?!?!> Ok?
<P-A> Ok
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 7 (-6)
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
<P-A> Your turn
WTF!?!?!?! puts Esper Charm to Graveyard from Play
It is now turn 14 (WTF!?!?!?!)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
WTF!?!?!?! untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
WTF!?!?!?! draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
WTF!?!?!?! plays Mystic Gate from Hand
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<WTF!?!?!?!> End my turn
It is now turn 15 (P-A)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
P-A untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
P-A draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A plays Mountain from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
P-A taps Mogg Fanatic
P-A taps Boggart Ram-Gang
P-A taps Mountain
P-A taps Mountain
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Creek
WTF!?!?!?! taps Vivid Grove
WTF!?!?!?! taps Sunken Ruins
WTF!?!?!?! taps Adarkar Wastes
WTF!?!?!?! taps Flooded Grove
WTF!?!?!?! taps Mystic Gate
P-A taps Ghitu Encampment
<WTF!?!?!?!> umm no
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
P-A untaps Ghitu Encampment
P-A untaps Mountain
P-A untaps Mountain
<P-A> whatever
<P-A> go
WTF!?!?!?! plays Cloudthresher from Hand
<P-A> k
WTF!?!?!?! puts Cloudthresher to Hand from Play
WTF!?!?!?!'s life total is now 3 (-4)
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Vivid Creek
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Vivid Grove
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Sunken Ruins
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Adarkar Wastes
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Flooded Grove
WTF!?!?!?! untaps Mystic Gate
<P-A> umm no
<WTF!?!?!?!> cant do it lol
<WTF!?!?!?!> LOL
<WTF!?!?!?!> LOL
<WTF!?!?!?!> LOL
<WTF!?!?!?!> Lol
<P-A> yes you can
<P-A> lol lol lol lol
<WTF!?!?!?!> show me
<WTF!?!?!?!> ?
<P-A> tap adarkar for lbue
<WTF!?!?!?!> ok
<P-A> flooded groove
<WTF!?!?!?!> b
<P-A> then remove 2 counters from creek and grove
<System> Player Lost
What the cow?
He was dead anyway. I had lethal in hand, Jav + Incinerate. He was just nitpicking.
That second list you posted looks very solid. I'm not sold on Oblivion Ring, simply because my meta does not call for it, and also because most of the time I'd rather expand on my threats rather than lose a turn dealing with one.
Not to nitpick, but you are forgetting
- Sharuum/Sculpting Steel
- Composite Golem / Scarecrone
They're bad, but hey... they still are in standard
You and your inflammatory comments. It is. It's just outclassed.
I've been considering Chandra Nalaar in the maindeck, for more versatile removal. Lot's of QnT in my area.. she's difficult to get rid of by them. Thoughts?
28 burn spells, 3 Spitefull Visions, 4 Lich's Mirror and the rest all burn. How uber.