Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
You seems so short-sighted that you do not realize that here you're the one that is giving validity to discrimination and being part of the problem in this moment. Please shut your mouth for your own good. I can assure you that you will bitterly regrets -when you will finally see the light of reason- that a mod didn't stopped you in time.
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If my oppression is validated by rudeness to my oppressors and those who enable them, then my oppression is certain regardless of how I behave. Nat Turner got a lot more done than Uncle Tom.
I can assure you that I don't care what a mod does or doesn't do.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
I'm going to use this as my reason to not donate to the trevor project this year. If my donations have at all contributed to this madness, that would be my regret. Flies with honey.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
You can choose to press the ignore button if you dont want to have a reasonable dialogue, but your mindless rambling of insults and nonsense leads nowhere other than spam.
Ignoring discrimination only breeds more. You're free to ignore me if you feel I am not engaging in dialogue that you feel matches your criteria, ********.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Dude, enough please. Ok the first time, ok the second, because we're human and need to release frustration if we're emotional but literally all your interventions in all pages since the topic started are just sterile insults that brings literally zero content to the topic and absolutely isnt doing justice at all to your -which is also mine- cause, but just put more gasoline on the fire and that's it. We get it you can't stand what you perceive as an homophobic guy -but I actually want to believe that TheOnlyOne is in good faith but only biased-, but seriously, the way you do it is the worst way possible to get a point in ANY conversation, even if we were talking about the most basic human rights. Please stop looking at this thread if it makes you feel that bad, a real mod should had locked ages ago this thread for much less.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
You've been spamming personal attacks against people for not liking a product done in poor taste, even if for a good cause. Agreeing with a direction change in art going forward and then a double standard violating their own words. Wanting wotc to be consistent is not too big a stretch. But you and buster making constant attacks against people for a difference in opinion while saying the community you are a part of is oppressed only comes across as cry bullying.
Alternatively,stop being a piece of *****. Nobody is attacking anyone. You're all fine. I'm just sharing my opinion about y'alls poor taste. Don't be a baby back ***** about it, *****. I'm not sorry for not treating you the way you feel entitled to be treated. There is no double standard, you've made zero valid attempts to present one, you're just a homophobic dip***** who likes to virtue signal. **** you.
If you've been paying attention to the conversation majority of the folks here are in favour of this product.
Maybe because people go on instant attack mode if somebody doesn't like it? And it's not exactly fun to argue about something where people won't change their mind on either side anyway? People here are just generally louder about that sort of thing too? Also see somebody here is calling for the abortion of people who don't like it. I mean, calm down lol, it's just a card game at the end of the day.
But I say who cares anyway. If you like it, then you're free to buy it. If you don't, then you're free to not buy it too.
Nobody is calling for anyone to be aborted, you centrist ****.
As a matter of fact, you did earlier in this thread. I think you need to calm down.
I literally didn't. I think you need to learn the difference between past and future tenses.
I'm as calm as I'm going to be. I'm just not going to feint civility with people who wraponoze it, you piece of *****.
If you treat Magic's characters like pieces of cardboard or purely game pieces, you lose some of this game. And whether they're straight or queer, I prefer my characters to be able to express and embody a full range of the human experience and human emotions - including sex and romance.
Which comes at the cost that some people will not like it, and other will, and get vocal about it.
The game itself doesnt even need it, as thats exactly what all the kind of fan-fiction was made for, pushing sexualized content into the realm of games and fantasy characters that would not have it. (I mean, there are fan-fictions about the Monopoly men, you certainly find it, if you want to)
So it does not come at a loss if the game does not put a sexualize preference on every character, it doesnt add or remove anything positive, while it clearly does upset some people to a degree that it bothers them, and its avoidable to simply not have it, so it does not bother them, and anybody that wants that kind of information is free to make it their personalized fan-fiction to give any character whatever sexual attraction they might want (so leaving that out leaves room for fanatasy as well, as some might be upset that a specific character is not gay, as they wanted him or her to be gay, and others might be upset that their favourite waifu is not straight, so theres that as well).
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For artwork in specific WotC made the decision to turn back the female cleavage on cards, as artists liked to draw the nice too look at cleavage, but they took the negative responses from some people as a motivation to turn it down from then on.
Magic certainly changed a bunch of these notches over its time, some art is declared racist / sexist and outright banned, which made them just even more sought after cards for other kinds of collectors that dont mind these issues as much as the agenda driven approach that WotC is going (as there is plenty of cards to inject some problematic idea into, and its not consistent what they banned and plenty of people disagree with the reasoning for specific cards as well, so that entire thing died out quickly too, its not a big deal anymore, as cards like Earthbind are still famously around, which arguably shouldnt be the case, but then it opens up the entire sand bag of what sexualized pictures should all be banned, which might drive the numbers in the hundreds or more).
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
If you've been paying attention to the conversation majority of the folks here are in favour of this product.
Maybe because people go on instant attack mode if somebody doesn't like it? And it's not exactly fun to argue about something where people won't change their mind on either side anyway? People here are just generally louder about that sort of thing too? Also see somebody here is calling for the abortion of people who don't like it. I mean, calm down lol, it's just a card game at the end of the day.
But I say who cares anyway. If you like it, then you're free to buy it. If you don't, then you're free to not buy it too.
Nobody is calling for anyone to be aborted, you centrist ****.
Comment from mark himself, just that you get an idea.
That's Mark telling you that he doesn't want you to play. I'm all for any actions Wizards takes to exclude scumbags from the community. Toodles, loser.
Calling those the same is a pretty big stretch. First off, the focus of the Bearscape art is wider and the mood more "relaxing summer afternoon" than "foreplay," second, while the one guy's pose in the background could be considered seductive, they're clearly just talking, the other guy's not between his legs like Liliana.
Its a "very minor" difference if any at all.
So yea, its quite arguably the same problem.
For consistency they would avoid that kind of artwork on Magic cards (i mean, Bearscape would work without the background sexual parts, the dude and the joke of "harry men = bear" would be fine, even if that will upset some people, like any other supposedly funny comparison of people to animals, which even lead to cards art being banned from the game entirely, so its a hot top regardless, just depends which group of people you pander to or make fun of, could just avoid doing it in the first place).
There is nothing sexual in the background. Just admit you find the characters sexy and grow the **** up, loser.
This is a super revealing comment. What specifically on this version of Bearscape is too sexual for Magic?
Look at the background, its exactly the same as in the Chandra-Lilliana playmat i posted in the spoiler tag in the comment.
And that playmat was on several occasions not tournament legal as its "not appropriate" (so if that is true for 2 women, it should be true for 2 dudes as well, and equally so for a hetero couple, or any other, as thats the point i want to make with the having equal standards and not pander to one while the other is somehow not appropriate, they either are all fine, or non of them is, and WotC policy does not properly work that out, but throw the issues at the discretion of judges at a tournament, and as these are "legal" cards otherwise, it becomes quite a mess to deal with).
How many of your parents are siblings? Were all of their children stillborn?
pointing out that the woke infect and corrupt companies and then cause them to fail and your attempt to take it our of context says more about you than me
Go to hell, piece of *****.
You win this hands down *applause*
'buster
I just don't feel like being civil to people who intentionally misunderstanding civility. Why pretend to explain things to the intentionally ignorant? Just tell them to **** off, and then watch them be crybabies about how that isn't how they feel entitled to be spoken to.
Oh I fully understand and appreciate that. I wasn't mocking you in any way.
'buster
I know lol
Still can't wait to have some useless mod come tell me to chill. Lmao
We, who does support inclusivity in any form for the things we love are an "infection" for this guy. But of course, we are the ones intolerant. Logic.
Also, this guy doesn't seem to post a lot here, but if you check his brief history half of them are exactly about spreading his personal view of "tolerance" and "respect" in exactly these kind of topics. What a dedication to the cause.
I have nothing more to add your honor.
pointing out that the woke infect and corrupt companies and then cause them to fail and your attempt to take it our of context says more about you than me
Go to hell, piece of *****.
You win this hands down *applause*
'buster
I just don't feel like being civil to people who intentionally misunderstanding civility. Why pretend to explain things to the intentionally ignorant? Just tell them to **** off, and then watch them be crybabies about how that isn't how they feel entitled to be spoken to.
We, who does support inclusivity in any form for the things we love are an "infection" for this guy. But of course, we are the ones intolerant. Logic.
Also, this guy doesn't seem to post a lot here, but if you check his brief history half of them are exactly about spreading his personal view of "tolerance" and "respect" in exactly these kind of topics. What a dedication to the cause.
I have nothing more to add your honor.
pointing out that the woke infect and corrupt companies and then cause them to fail and your attempt to take it our of context says more about you than me
I try to channel a little Adam Sandler in all things I do.
If my oppression is validated by rudeness to my oppressors and those who enable them, then my oppression is certain regardless of how I behave. Nat Turner got a lot more done than Uncle Tom.
I can assure you that I don't care what a mod does or doesn't do.
Nobody needs your two cents, dip*****.
Ignoring discrimination only breeds more. You're free to ignore me if you feel I am not engaging in dialogue that you feel matches your criteria, ********.
Treating poor faith arguments as if they are good ones is precisely why these ********s feel so empowered. You're not helping by making a case in a kangaroo court. You're just giving validity to discrimination. Stop virtue signaling and call it what it is. You're as much a part of the problem as the other piece of *****, regardless if you disagree with them or not. I don't want or need you to claim your fight is the same as mine. **** you, *****.
Alternatively,stop being a piece of *****. Nobody is attacking anyone. You're all fine. I'm just sharing my opinion about y'alls poor taste. Don't be a baby back ***** about it, *****. I'm not sorry for not treating you the way you feel entitled to be treated. There is no double standard, you've made zero valid attempts to present one, you're just a homophobic dip***** who likes to virtue signal. **** you.
I literally didn't. I think you need to learn the difference between past and future tenses.
I'm as calm as I'm going to be. I'm just not going to feint civility with people who wraponoze it, you piece of *****.
Why does it take you so many words to say "I don't understand what consistency, sexuality, and sex are."? Just do human intelligence a favor and shut the **** up already. We get it, you're big mad about being a worthless piece of *****. Sorry that your dying demographic isn't being exclusively pandered to in a world of safe spaces that protect you from -checks notes- other people existing.
Nobody is calling for anyone to be aborted, you centrist ****.
That's Mark telling you that he doesn't want you to play. I'm all for any actions Wizards takes to exclude scumbags from the community. Toodles, loser.
There is nothing sexual in the background. Just admit you find the characters sexy and grow the **** up, loser.
How many of your parents are siblings? Were all of their children stillborn?
I know lol
Still can't wait to have some useless mod come tell me to chill. Lmao
I just don't feel like being civil to people who intentionally misunderstanding civility. Why pretend to explain things to the intentionally ignorant? Just tell them to **** off, and then watch them be crybabies about how that isn't how they feel entitled to be spoken to.
Go to hell, piece of *****.