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  • posted a message on Magic Showcase 2021
    Pioneer is the Fetch of MtG, stop trying to make it happen, just bring Historic to paper.

    I think a 60 card Historic deck with Arena code could sell better then most deck precons.

    Even better, a Historic Brawl Deck which can double as a Commander Decks with Arena code.

    Anyways back to the topic of the Showcase, does anyone think the Adventure mechanic and Sagas could be in Commander Legends: Battle For Baldur's Gate?
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  • posted a message on Magic Showcase 2021
    Quote from signofzeta »
    Do you know what getting rid of Core Set means? It means that every set's associated precons are Commander. I hate that. Can't they just release 2 Commander Decks and 2 Planeswalker Decks? Y'know, give new players the choice?

    We used to have 24 preconstructed decks that you could buy for under $25 after taxes. You have the 20 Intro Packs and the 4 duel decks, well 2 sets of 2 duel decks. All we have in 2021 are the 2 Arena Starter Kit decks, and the next cheapest option would be the $30 challenger decks.

    We also don't know how much the Innistrad midnight Hunt commander decks will cost, but a store is selling it for $85 on preorder.

    Cardfight Vanguard has $5 Start Decks. They aren't half decks or decks where you have to do something to make a complete deck. They are full 50 card decks. There are also 5 to choose from. That's cheap, and you get some choices. In 2021, Yugioh has 4 choices of under $15 precon decks and Pokemon has 6 choices. MTG only has 2, well you buy the thing and you get both in the form of the Arena Starter Kit. Anything else is higher than $20.

    Because Commander is so popular, WOTC has no incentive to make Standard good anymore. Just keep on selling $50 commander decks, and keep releasing standard sets that people will buy without even thinking about the health of the format.

    If I made a game, and someone else took my game, changed the rules a bit, and now everybody else is playing my game by the new rules, while I am desperately trying to get new players to play by my rules, I'd give up, and get people to play by the new rules, because that is where the money is.

    There are deck construction rules, like 60-card, 100 card singleton, 40 card limited, and the gameplay rules, like your base rules, Commander, Vanguard, Archenemy, and Planechase. I've said this before. WOTC is over supporting Commander because they lack the confidence to make the base rules better than Commander. They aren't trying anymore.

    You want reprints? Try our $10 a pack masters sets.




    I'm pretty sure I already read this rant with the almost exact same words somewhere else multiple times. If you're so much upset of how the game is today, maybe is better for you to not play it at all anymore and let the other people enjoy it.


    Let people rant, it's what the internet was made for.
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  • posted a message on Magic Showcase 2021
    How many Legendary Creatures and Planeswalkers that can be Commanders do you think CL: BfBG will have.

    I think it will be more then CL1, they will want 1 up the previous set. I think 90 new Legendary Creatures, 5 mono colour Planeswalkers that can be Commanders, but for reprints I think all the Legendary Creatures from AFR will get the Etched Foil treatment, but they is the only slot the reprinted Legends will appear in.
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  • posted a message on Magic Showcase 2021
    Quote from signofzeta »
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    Quote from signofzeta »
    Do you know what getting rid of Core Set means? It means that every set's associated precons are Commander. I hate that. Can't they just release 2 Commander Decks and 2 Planeswalker Decks? Y'know, give new players the choice?

    We used to have 24 preconstructed decks that you could buy for under $25 after taxes. You have the 20 Intro Packs and the 4 duel decks, well 2 sets of 2 duel decks. All we have in 2021 are the 2 Arena Starter Kit decks, and the next cheapest option would be the $30 challenger decks.

    We also don't know how much the Innistrad midnight Hunt commander decks will cost, but a store is selling it for $85 on preorder.

    Cardfight Vanguard has $5 Start Decks. They aren't half decks or decks where you have to do something to make a complete deck. They are full 50 card decks. There are also 5 to choose from. That's cheap, and you get some choices. In 2021, Yugioh has 4 choices of under $15 precon decks and Pokemon has 6 choices. MTG only has 2, well you buy the thing and you get both in the form of the Arena Starter Kit. Anything else is higher than $20.

    Because Commander is so popular, WOTC has no incentive to make Standard good anymore. Just keep on selling $50 commander decks, and keep releasing standard sets that people will buy without even thinking about the health of the format.

    If I made a game, and someone else took my game, changed the rules a bit, and now everybody else is playing my game by the new rules, while I am desperately trying to get new players to play by my rules, I'd give up, and get people to play by the new rules, because that is where the money is.

    There are deck construction rules, like 60-card, 100 card singleton, 40 card limited, and the gameplay rules, like your base rules, Commander, Vanguard, Archenemy, and Planechase. I've said this before. WOTC is over supporting Commander because they lack the confidence to make the base rules better than Commander. They aren't trying anymore.

    You want reprints? Try our $10 a pack masters sets.




    I'm pretty sure I already read this rant with the almost exact same words somewhere else multiple times. If you're so much upset of how the game is today, maybe is better for you to not play it at all anymore and let the other people enjoy it.


    Let me guess, you are ok with WOTC charging double price for a product targeted for new players compared to their competitors, and you are ok with WOTC pandering to one format at the detriment of another. As long as their introductory products, that cost $30 to $50 caters towards bringing in more Commander players, that means that those players won't even try to even play any format that use the base rules, either because the cards are expensive, or they lose all the time. With that in mind, why would WOTC even try to give the effort in making Standard better? With the crappy standard, people would just quit standard and go to Commander, and thus WOTC would support Commander even more, and thus put even less effort into Standard, or any other base rules format, and those players would flock to commander, and thus WOTC supports Commander even more, and thus puts even less effort into standard...

    But let's say we live in a scenario where Standard is completely dead. It's all Commander. Remember how the Zendikar Rising and Kaldheim Commander decks costed $25 each? The idea of $25 Commander decks are long gone. I predict that every future Commander deck will be the $50 variety. And they say that these are supposed to replace the Planeswalker decks? Do you know what should have replaced Planeswalker Decks? Almost something that cost just as much as them. Theme boosters are utter trash. I wish they just brought back Theme Decks.

    WOTC is thinking about money. Short term gain for long term pain.

    You know how we all laugh at those who are saying that Magic is dying? Well in a way it is dying. People would rather play by its alternate rules than its base rules.

    From what I read, Pioneer is a dead format, and thus the Pioneer decks will most likely be a one year occurrence. I just hope there are 60-card preconstructed products to replace them, and if they replace them with yet another set of Commander decks, expect another rant.


    In my opinion pioneer is dying due to two reasons, the rona and historic. I think a lot of people like myself started around return to ravnica days and have physical collections that they can’t really play with. My lgs hasn’t returned to paper magic and last I was there was using the play area as storage. (It’s still doing very well cuz it also is a comic book store). Historic on arena is a lot easier to get into in my opinion than pioneer would be on mtgo. I think they’re are focusing on commander for two reasons. You can still play commander with family and friends even if you can’t go to an lgs. The other is fairly obvious $$$. I do agree with the idea that they should have digital redemption codes in all of their products.


    Yeah, well, I used to play the 60-card base rules style of game at home, so it isn't like just because you are a casual player, you just have to play Commander. If the Pioneer challenger decks are a one year thing, I hope there are some other 60-card base rules precon products to replace it.

    What about the arena starter kits? Do you think WOTC will continue to make them?

    In 2020, we had 13 60-card preconstructed decks and 9 Commander decks.
    In 2021, we are projected to have 10 60-card preconstructed decks and 15 commander decks.
    In 2022, we are projected to have 6 60-card preconstructed decks and 13 commander decks.

    In the fall of 2022, what would be a great preconstructed 60-card product, that plays by the base rules, that WOTC could release in case the Pioneer challenger decks don't pan out? 6 decks in 2022 isn't enough. I'd like each year to have 10 60-card precons. Either 3 releases with 4 Challenger decks, 2 deck Arena Starter Kit and 4 decks of something, or 2 releases of 5 decks each, so 5 challenger decks in April and 5 other decks in October.

    I'd like WOTC to introduce a product to mirror Yugioh's $10 structure decks, and Pokemon's $15 V Battle Decks. The Challenger decks is kind of like Pokemon's $30 League Battle Decks.

    New Capenna seems like it would be the main Commander release with 5 decks, but I have said it many times. I would like to see a set of 2 60-card decks with MTG Arena codes in them, like the Arena Starter Kit released alongside the remaining 3 sets to go along with the 2 Commander decks. I assume the D&D set with its 4 Commander decks is the outlier and that from now on, ever Winter, Summer, and Fall set will have 2 Commander decks.

    I would like to see Core Sets return and release in the Spring alongside the main Commander release while having the Standard rotation in August. The Core sets should not be advertised as the newbie set, but as a reprint set and as a means to keep some cards in standard longer by reprinting them. That release would have the 20xx core set, 5 20xx commander decks (not 20xx core set commander decks), and the 4 20xx Challenger decks. No Arena Starter kits released along side this set. All the other 3 sets would have 2 Commander decks and 2 casual 60-card decks with MTG Arena codes, that focuses on the set's mechanics, because Commander is a poor tool to teach players about the mechanics of the set. Unless the Coven Counters commander deck is filled with Coven cards, then that deck won't teach any player about Coven. The mechanically based decks would be the 60-card decks while things like tribal or non-set specific mechanic strategies would be the Commander decks. Something where you can fill the entire deck with that strategy, as you don't have to draw from the one set that uses the mechanic. I would also like to see MTG Arena have a format where only the 60-card decks I mentioned before, the ones that would come with 3 of the standard sets, are legal. Pokemon had the theme deck format, and I would like to see that in MTG Arena.

    If my idea holds true, there will be 13 Commander decks (I am adding 2 Commander decks for the Universes beyond, or maybe a non-standard set might come with Commander), and 10 60-card precons. This idea is only a means to get the number of 60-card preconstructed decks to 10 for each year, in case the Pioneer Challenger decks aren't annual and only happen for 2021. I hope that in 2022, there are 10 60-card base rules preconstructed deck options.


    You math is off for how many Commander Decks we can expect next year.

    If we are right and New Capenna gets the 5 2022 Commander Decks and every other standard set gets 2 each, fir 6 more Decks you'd be 11 Decks, but you forgot the 4 Warhammer Commander Decks already announced (even the reprints get new Warhammer art), that brings it to 15 Decks.

    But wait there is more because no way does Commander Legends: Battle For Baldur's Gate not get 2 to 5 Commander Decks given Commanders and AFR Both got them. 4 is the most likely number for the reasons and more that AFR got 4 (for playing during breaks with the party during a D&D session). They really emphasized the social and multi-player aspects of Commander Legends: Battle For Baldur's Gate so that will likely extend to the Commander Decks.

    That 19 to 20 Commander Precon Decks next year, a huge increase, which I think they'd only have the budget for if they stopped doing to cheaper 60 card Decks. Maybe they will still do the Arena Starter Decks at least.


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  • posted a message on Magic Showcase 2021
    Quote from signofzeta »
    Modern Event Decks were a one year thing. Brawl decks were a one year thing. Do you think the Pioneer Challenger decks are going to be a one year thing, or is it going to be an annual thing? If the Pioneer Challenger decks flop, I really hope, because they got rid of the core set, and thus the Planeswalker Decks that go with it, that they have some sort of 60-card preconstructed product released in the fall. I don't want to be limited to just the 4 Challenger Decks and the Arena Starter kit.

    I already complained enough about how the D&D set did not have Planeswalker Decks, and how every set from now on will feature Commander Decks, and that my options for 60-card precons have become more limited than before, so I hope that if the Pioneer Challenger Decks fail, there are replacement 60-card deck product line for them. I will complain even more if WOTC introduces yet even more Commander Deck options in lieu of the 60-card variety. In 2021, there are 10 60-card precons and 15 commander decks.

    Ideally, I would like to see 60-card precons be brought back as the set associated precons, but only for the sets that have 2 Commander deck choices. These decks would replace the Arena Starter Kit, well not replace, but the Arena Starter Kit won't be one package containing 2 decks but 2 separate deck choices released with each set. So each year would have one set containing the 5 annual major Commander deck release, and the other 3 sets would contain the 2 Commander deck and the 2 60-card precons that contains code cards that can bring the deck into MTG Arena. It's not really adding anything. It is just replacing what would have been the Pionner Challenger Decks, if it fails, and the Arena Starter Kit. There would still be 10 60-card deck options.


    The Brawl decks failed because they foolishly decided not to have them come with an Arena code.

    Honestly a Brawl Historical 100 deck with Arena code that can also be used for Commander would be hugely popular.

    Maybe a pre-construction Historic Decks with Arena codes would do well (I see Arena codes being hugely important in none Commander pre-construction decks).
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  • posted a message on Cards you want to see Reprinted
    Outside of spells that share flavours and names with D&D spells,and setting neutral stuff like Dockside Extortist,and maybe the Scry lands, I don't think there will be as many reprints in this Commander Legends: Battle For Baldur's Gate as people think there will be, it's not set in the MtG multiverse, unlike Commander Legends 1, and I think the bulk of reprints will be in Jumpstart 2022 and Double Masters 2022 and Commander Precon Decks, with CL: BfBG a distant fourth for reprints, it will be more then most other 2022 sets still, but less then CL 1, and possibly even more Legendary Creatures and Commander Planeswalkers. maybe 30 to 100 reprints, not including tie in Commander Deck reprints or AFR Legendary Creature reprints that get the Etched Foil treatment.
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  • posted a message on 2022 sets, return to x?
    So how did we do?

    Kamigawa (I was hoping it wasn't, but it looks cool at least), and Dominaria were right, but with atwist, the addition of Brother's War. I was right about another D&D Forgotten Realms set and mentioned elsewhere on the internet, I was right about it being a Commander Legends set.

    Alara and New Phryrexia is a no for now, but Teferi is in Midnight Hunt and Elspeth is in Streets of New Capenna, so it's likely building up to New Phyrexia in 2023 or 2024.

    No one guessed LotRs for 2023, I thought it would be 2022,instead its the replacement for the 2023 Summer Core Set, and basically Modern Horizons 3 mixed with Historic.



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  • posted a message on 2022 sets, return to x?
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Thought I would bring this up

    https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/mtijwe/four_expansions_in_2022_and_2023_each/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


    That’s are line up for 2022 and 2023 of code names for standard sets

    so they did it again core sets died again that’s why core 2021 was the best core set ever.

    So maybe could get some thing on what sets could be perhaps.


    There are no Core Sets because there are no Summer sets anymore, they've been replaced by none Standard legal stuff like Double Masters 2022 and Jumpstart 2022.
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  • posted a message on AFR - Will new creature types being added (from AFR) have a shot at coming from non-D&D sets/sources?
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    well it really depends on the situation with these new types

    i could see Tiefling replace Azra type and Beholder replacing eye but those could be doubtful


    They have no intention of Tieflings and Halflings and Beholders replace Azra and Kithkin and Eyes.

    Bard and Ranger are pretty much confirmed for most likely to appear in none D&D sets.

    The one setting I can see having Tieflings, Halflings, and other D&D races is Arcavios (Strixhavens), as the it's kind of designed to fit into both MtG and D&D from the word go, with Strixhaven: Cirriculum of Chaos not being race restrictive like Mythic Odysseys of Theros or Guildmasters Guide to Ravnica was as far as I can tell.

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  • posted a message on Cards you want to see Reprinted
    I want to see Warrior's Oath and Ravages of War reprinted in the Commander Legends: Battle For Baldur's Gate set.
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  • posted a message on What tribes, old and new, do we want to see get some additions this 2021/2022 cycle?
    I think AFR will have Tiefling, Gnome, Soldier, Dragon, Horror (almost certain of this, Mindflayers are a major Villian in the set), Halfling, Bard, tribal support with maybe Beholder, Aasimar (new Creature type), Gith (very likely new Creature type), Gods, and Genasi (new creature type) support.

    Kamigawa will likely have Spirits, Ninja, Samurai, and Moonfolk tribal, but also Artifact Creature tribal.

    Demon tribal, Rogue, and maybe Angel tribal, but maybe most of all Azra tribal. Possibly Bard tribal, but unlikely.

    Dominaria, more Elf tribal and maybe Kithkin tribal, Phryexian tribal.

    Brother's War, Artifact Creature tribal.

    Unfinity: Squirrel & Beeble Tribal

    Double Masters 2022 and Jumpstart 2022, all kinds of different tribal, in fact I think both will have huge Tribal focus, although it'll be almost all reprints, except for a few new tribal cards in Jumpstart 2022.




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  • posted a message on Old Capenna was destroyed by Phyrexians
    Quote from kelpcowboy »
    Fact 1: MaRo said that there are three known groups of phyrexians, yawgmoth associated, new phyrexia, and the ones that destroyed elspeths home plane.
    Fact 2: Elspeths home was destroyed by phyrexians
    Fact 3: New Capenna is called NEW (was created by angels), implying an OLD CAPENNA;
    Fact 4: New Capenna and is confirmed to have special meaning to elspeth.
    Theory: OLD CAPENNA was destroyed by phyrexians, and New Capenna was built by the refugees from that event; what do y'all think about the implications of this? I'd like to see other phyrexian factions, and the look of New Capenna is GORGEOUS

    This could be cool to see, possibly new phyrexian factions


    I agree 110%, but I'll go further, I Think New Capenna is like Rath, an artificial plane, used as a life raft for Old Capenna's survivors, a Plane built by Angels, perhaps Angel's created originally by Serra, for survivors, they build a New Capenna City and surrounding lands as the only way to save huge amounts of folks from the doomed Plane.
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  • posted a message on Magic Showcase 2021
    The problem isn't with printing dominarian cards with the subtype "god". It's having gods showing up and doing stuff in a storyline set. Because dominarian gods don't do that and have never done that.
    What about Gaia?

    Anyways, apparently New Capenna is going to be the current set for 5 months, because there is no Summer set (although techniquely the September set could fall in the Summer, just like Midnight Hunt is still releasing in the Summer part of Septemeber), that means New Capenna will likely have a very high mastery pass level before bonus levels, maybe even larger then Zendikar Rising got.

    I think it's good there is no Summer Standard set because Double Masters 2022 set is going to suck all the air and energy out of the room and could do to later sets like Dominaria United and maybe even Jumpstart 2022 what Modern Horizons 2 did to AFR, Midnight Hunt and perhaps even Crimson Vow. Brother War MIGHT be epic enough to be immune to this effect.

    I'm just glad Commander Legends: Battle For Baldur's Gate, Kamigawa Neon Dynasty, and New Capenna are all front loaded before Double Master 2022, the Dominaria, and Jumpstart 2022 sets come out in the first half of 2022 as I'm expecting all kinds of broken stuff and crazy stuff that sucks in the second half that sucks away all the hype and attention. I'm more interested in the first half of the year's sets anyways.

    Also I expect that Arena will have Brawl Legends (or Historical Brawl Legends which I will just call Brawl Legends for short), which will cherry pick cards from the 2 Commander Legends sets and perhaps other Commander Products with maybe some Digital Only Brawl cards. Just a prediction.
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  • posted a message on [MID] - Reprint - Pithing Needle
    It needs to be banned from Brawl and Historic Brawl.
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  • posted a message on Magic Showcase 2021
    Quote from 5colors »
    Mmm by canon I mean does she exists since she has a card? Again real world reason she got a card was to be a pushed merfolk for modern, but does that then lock in her being real in lore or is her card more a representation of who the character is in myths and tales.


    I mean wotc could tomorrow put a nice retcon and say that Svyelun, Gaea, Fiers and so on are all real gods that walked on Dominaria. It wouldn't change the fact that no one of these "gods" dared to show up during the millenial history of the plane, especially during the Phyrexian invasion.
    That's suddenly put gods on Dominaria would be stupid.


    How does MtG define a "real" God anyways? I mean Oldwalkers seemed powerful enough to justify calling them "real" Gods to begin with.
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