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  • posted a message on Secret Lair Subscription/Membership Survey
    Quote from ThyLordQ »
    Quote from NeedAMedic »

    That's a lot of assumptions based off of a rumor started by a hypothetical survey that you heard about second hand. But sure.


    Well, damn, guess you got me there. This is the "only talk about verified things and don't assume anything" forum. Thanks for showing me the error of my ways. I will correct this grave mistake in the future.

    It was an observation, not a judgment. Lower your temperature, young one.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair Subscription/Membership Survey
    Quote from ThyLordQ »
    Quote from NeedAMedic »

    Meh, it also feels like they do more and more of these each year. This year being behind doesn't mean much since these typically drop in batches. I'm sure once actual details of this arrive it'll be easier to evaluate.

    That early access is worth quite a bit. If I can get the product to resell before others, it sells for more. Reselling SLs is already pretty profitable overall,and pretty easy, especially in the days immediately following the first deliveries.


    That's assuming you get the product first and not just "Get to order the product first, with everything shipping at once." I also wasn't assuming purchasing for turning purposes, but I suppose that's on me.

    They certainly create more product every year, as I've listed in another thread, but Secret Lairs have only been around since 2019. 2020 is the best data we can work off of, and we're already a third of the way through the year. Theros Stargazing and Secret Lair Drop: Smitten were comparable sets of five, as are Secret Lair: International Women's Day and Secret Lair: Black is Magic (being more charity based drops). But by this point last year, we'd also had the Year of the Rat, and Thalia. If Strixhaven only gets one Secret Lair, it'll be comparable to the Godzilla Lands Secret Lair.

    You also made me curious again, so let’s toss in some extra math. I bought one Secret Lair in 2020. Assuming my receipt is correct, it cost 5 dollars to ship to me. I’m in the Midwest, so it probably costs more to ship to the East Coast, but I can only work with the information I have.

    Assuming that every box costs 5 dollars to ship, with a 10% discount, I would need to buy 18 Secret Lairs to exceed the cost of the Subscription. Specifically going off of my list: Year of the Rat through non-foil Happy Yargle Day!, purchasing both foil and non-foil, gets me to $150 in discounts and free shipping.

    From foil "Happy Yargle Day!" onwards, the savings add up to $110.

    EDIT: Missed 3 places where shipping could have been added, upping the savings at the end from $95 to $110.

    That's a lot of assumptions based off of a rumor started by a hypothetical survey that you heard about second hand. But sure.
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  • posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previews
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    Asked, answered, and presented in evidence as fact. I'm not going to continue humoring your logical fallacies with these circular arguments, amigo.

    It's relevant because one of us has been educated to impart both linguistic knowledge and communication skills to others, and the other is an aerospace engineer whose best argument continues to be a barrage of ad hominems. Suffice it to say, I'm not moved by your critique of my reading skills.

    "Please let me know exactly what your problems are with what I have said, as obviously your previous attempts at doing so have failed to communicate a tangible point"

    Imagine thinking that your educational background is relevant to why you continually cry about everything.

    Don't worry, I'm sure you're itching to call me racist or something,like you do to everything else.

    Imagine thinking that ad hominem is relevant here but that a credential fallacy is okay. I'll give you a moment to Google that one up, since it may be above the level required to teach 11 year olds to speak the only language they know.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair Subscription/Membership Survey
    Quote from ThyLordQ »
    Quote from NeedAMedic »

    This is all assuming that the shipping, early access, and merch are worth $0


    I did explicitly say in that final paragraph that free shipping would likely drive that price closer to the cost of the subscription.

    Early Access may as well be $0, however. Unless WotC decides that early access is also the only access for a product they've been printing to demand, which, hey, they could do.

    I didn't see anything in the thread about merch, so, I don't know. Did it specify that the merch would be free, or is it just something unique that you get to buy if you have a subscription?

    EDIT: To be clear, I was also specifically responding to the idea that the 10% discount alone was worth the price of admission, like you said earlier.

    Meh, it also feels like they do more and more of these each year. This year being behind doesn't mean much since these typically drop in batches. I'm sure once actual details of this arrive it'll be easier to evaluate.

    That early access is worth quite a bit. If I can get the product to resell before others, it sells for more. Reselling SLs is already pretty profitable overall,and pretty easy, especially in the days immediately following the first deliveries.
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  • posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previews
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    You're pretending that you didn't mean something that you clearly did, simply because you used different, less explicit words. That's not how communication in general works, but it is how semantic argumentation works. What's your academic area of expertise?


    And what are you saying I meant with what? For being so critical of what I specifically said,, you sure seem to be pretty vague about why you've chosen to become offended by it.

    You teach middle school English. You're not an expert at anything, besides maybe telling Susie to stop chewing gum.

    I'm an aerospace engineer for what it's worth. Don't see how it's relevant.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair Subscription/Membership Survey
    Quote from ThyLordQ »
    I was curious how much you’d “save” with the 10% off, so I took a look at 2020 as a base.

    Here are the sets available during that time period, as well as their price and the number of cards included:
    • Year of the Rat; $39.99; 8 cards
    • Theros Stargazing Volumes I-V; $39.99 each or $149.99 for all five; between 3 and 15 cards
    • International Women’s Day; $49.99; 5 cards
    • Thalia – Beyond the Helvault; $29.99; 4 cards
    • April Fools; $0.00; 4 cards (only game stores could get these, but those were gifts too)
    • The Godzilla Lands; $29.99; 5 cards
    • *Full Sleeves: The Tattoo Pack; $29.99; 5 cards
    • *Can You Feel with a Heart of Steel?; $39.99; 3 cards
    • *The Path Not Traveled; $39.99; 4 cards
    • *Mountain, Go; $29.99; 4 cards
    • *Ornithological Studies; $29.99; 5 cards
    • (* These sets were part of the Summer Superdrop, and thus could be combined for $169.95, which gives 1 random fetch land from the Secret Lair Ultimate Edition)
    • Prime Slime; $29.99; 5 cards
    • Every Dog Has Its Day; $29.99 (non-foil), or $39.99 (foil); 4 cards
    • Happy Yargle Day!; $29.99 (non-foil), or $39.99 (foil); 5 cards
    • Showcase: Zendikar Revisited; $29.99 (non-foil), or $39.99 (foil); 5 cards
    • The Walking Dead; $49.99; 11 cards
    • Extra Life 2020; $60.00; 4 cards
    • **Artist Series: Seb McKinnon; $29.99 (non-foil), or $39.99 (foil); 4 cards
    • **Happy Little Gathering; $29.99 (non-foil), or $39.99 (foil); 10 cards
    • **Hope You Like Squirrels; $39.99 (foil only); 6 cards
    • **A Box of Rocks; $29.99 (non-foil), or $39.99 (foil); 5 cards
    • **Party Hard, Shred Harder; $29.99 (non-foil only); 5 cards
    • (** These sets were part of the Secret Lair Secretversary, and thus could be bundled in one of three ways: $99.99 for all non-foil sets; $139.99 for all foil sets; $229.99 for all sets)
    So, to get absolutely everything from the 2020 Secret Lairs, bundling where possible and not accounting for taxes and shipping, you spend $1,049.81. This nets you 156 cards, in a mix of foils and non-foils, and not counting “secrets” like the Stained-Glass Planeswalkers.

    If you weren’t getting both version of the sets available in foil and non-foil, this lowers to either $899.83 (for foils) or $839.83 (for non-foils) and 123 cards.

    Now, we don’t know exactly what WotC is going to do as far as the subscription goes. They could choose to bundle things up, or they could choose to do it individually. They may charge for both foil and non-foil, or they may just leave it at one. They may force subscribers to buy everything, or they may allow you to skip on Secret Lairs you don’t want. We don’t know.

    Let’s assume the worst: signing up for this charges you the highest amount I listed. It bundles some together, but double dips on foils and non-foils.
    A 10% discount saves you…$104.98.

    Assuming the 4 “subscriber only” secret lairs cost $39.99 a piece, that 10% discount jumps up to…$120.98.

    Now, to be excessively fair, free shipping will likely drive those numbers a little closer to the cost of the subscription. But as it stands, paying $149 ($12.42 a month) for a 10% discount does not pay for itself. Not unless WotC prints more Secret Lairs this year than they did last year, and signs aren’t looking great there. By this time last year, we’d already had 2 more Secret Lairs than the current count.

    This is all assuming that the shipping, early access, and merch are worth $0
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  • posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previews
    Imagine thinking "insulted" isn't a buzzword when it's the entire basis of your personality. Some people's decision to give live birth, what a trip
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  • posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previews
    Quote from NeedAMedic »

    Please, feel free to show me the lie then.


    You insulted every single other person on this forum, then when I called you out for it you tried to pretend that you were including yourself in the insult despite using the phrase “you people” when making the insult, which inherently excludes yourself from the insult.
    Why do you behave this way?

    You sound like you're taking this all very personally. Maybe you should just mute me if you're not mature enough to avoid being triggered.

    Whoa, it’s the buzz word, guys! He’s so cool when throws around buzz words, right guys?

    so childish. Jesus Christ.

    So you feel insulted by that I believe that everyone on this site has a personality disorder? Wow, that's pretty insulting to the vast majority of people with personality disorders who don't use this site.

    And I used "you people" when referencing the all or nothing nature of you people. Is having an all or nothing view that insulting to you?

    It's really not a buzzword, kid. You're throwing a fit because you need to feel like a victim. You're insulted because the idea that someone may view you as mentally ill does not support your unwarranted view that mentally ill people are inferior to you. Grow up, boy
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  • posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previews
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    Quote from NeedAMedic »

    Please, feel free to show me the lie then. You sound like you're taking this all very personally. Maybe you should just mute me if you're not mature enough to avoid being triggered.


    Quote from NeedAMedic »

    Does everyone on this forum have some sort of personality disorder or something? It is like always so all or nothing with you people.


    I think it's a little strange how you take issue with other people's ability to read, argue about semantics, and then pretend like inference isn't a thing.

    Hmm, and where am I pretending that inference isn't a thing? Again, if you're trying this hard to feel like you're being attacked, that's on you. Some people need to always feel like they are the victim. Not a week goes by that you specifically, Beavis, are not crying about something or another being offensive.

    Your inference is worth precisely its weight in gold. Don't hurt yourself trying to get it on the scale now.
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  • posted a message on [C21] Silverquill Statement— MTG Muddstah preview
    Quote from Xcric »
    Quote from NeedAMedic »
    Quote from NeedAMedic »
    I don't know why they bother with all of these pillowfort cards in these colors. It's been done to death by now.
    The deck was created by Commander Rules Committee head Sheldon Menery, who loves effects and decks like this. It was bound to happen on his first project.

    Sheldon's creativity and format insight never fail to disappoint


    Agreed.

    Theyre hes got some interesting concepts, but thats really all they are.

    Like the giving resources to opponents as a way to wheel and deal works in theory, but practice is far different. They wont kill you with those resources sure, but youre helping them kill you with different ones. A lot of people also see those effects helping push one person and end up annoyed with you enough to target you exclusively instead.

    Designing a whole deck around his favored concepts just feels like it misses the mark.

    Politics needs to happen naturally, it cant be forced.

    They're pretty annoying. Maybe the political aspect works with players I haven't played with much before, but with people I play with regularly, it's all pointless.

    I remember playing Pheldagriff, and thinking "I'll pick an opponent, and if they win, I'll consider it a victory." Except, they always won. Every. Single. Time. And it was boring, frustrating, and annoying. Group hug and pillowfort decks are the worst.
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  • posted a message on [C21] Lorehold Legacies— The Command Zone previews
    Quote from NeedAMedic »
    You literally said “you people.” Don’t try to wriggle out of being a jerk. We can all read here.

    I also never claimed that I'm not being a jerk. You people get so touchy about semantics.

    You’re a liar and you got called out for it. The fact that you persist is further proof that you’re probably the only one here with a personality disorder.

    Please, feel free to show me the lie then. You sound like you're taking this all very personally. Maybe you should just mute me if you're not mature enough to avoid being triggered.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair Subscription/Membership Survey
    Quote from Dontrike »
    Quote from NeedAMedic »
    For $12.50 a month? The 10% off alone would cover the entry fee. I hope they do this.


    Ahahahah, 21,50 a month to receive like 5 cards a month. What a bargain!
    They really found a way to print money and now they don't even need to sell, people will pay passively.

    Works for the video game industry with all the battle/season passes where people pay for the promise that the 10 year road map that will totally definitely will happen and the game won't stop in 3-5 years. Magic players will get to learn how much of a mistake it is buying into these things now.

    Magic players have been shelling out for loot boxes since '93.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair Subscription/Membership Survey
    Quote from NeedAMedic »
    For $12.50 a month? The 10% off alone would cover the entry fee. I hope they do this.


    Ahahahah, 21,50 a month to receive like 5 cards a month. What a bargain!
    They really found a way to print money and now they don't even need to sell, people will pay passively.

    I mean, that's still less than I currently spend on Magic. I've spent 20 times that for single cards. -shrug-
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  • posted a message on Silverboardered Card for My Birthday
    Dirty Tree XX
    Artifact
    X cannot be more or less than 3.
    Dirty Tree enters the battlefield with X times 11 age counters on it.
    At the beginning of your endstep, if the total mana value of spells you've cast this turn is equal to the number of counters on Dirty Tree, you gain that much life and each opponent loses that much life.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair Subscription/Membership Survey
    For $12.50 a month? The 10% off alone would cover the entry fee. I hope they do this.
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