2019 Holiday Exchange!
 
A New and Exciting Beginning
 
The End of an Era
  • 2

    posted a message on Secret Lair Benefitting The Trevor Project
    Quote from PharesZoran »


    I'm a little confused by your argument here. Earlier it seemed you were suggesting that the art is overtly sexual like the Chandra/Liliana art, which most people seemed to strongly disagree with. And now you're pointing to this four year old Blogatog post which, if anything, seems to hurt your argument.

    If Wizards is making a conscious effort to move away from art that would make a subset of players feel uncomfortable and they are printing a card with this art, then it seems to me that suggests they don't believe this art would make people feel uncomfortable. Likely because they don't see it as overtly sexual.


    Their are people for and against it. I want WotC to have at least some kind of consistency in their art-policy and not flip/flop around, depending on what they want to pander to.

    The kind of quality control that goes into Secret Lair is a lot less (so artists get more "freedom" to decide, they probably dont censor it as much as they do on Magic cards, and a lot of them are censored in the process of making them, its a lot of cleavage thats covered up on art, and some changes for other markets, like China that dont want human skulls, so they often avoid that from the get go, rather than making new art just for the chinese language version of the card, which they otherwise often did as well).

    Consistency is the matter at hand.

    The mark post makes clear that they wanted to drastically reduce potential sexual depictions on card art, as they got complains.
    Here they abandoned that, and they already get the heat for it (clearly not as much in this thread, but there are vocal people about it that welcome the pandering, and nobody insults them and they are fine to like the product, as are people to critique the product).

    ----

    Gathering Throng , art got the "usual" cover up of female cleavage.
    Original version:
    https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4X3Qz8

    That happens quite a lot.



    I think I understand what you're saying, but it seems like your argument is still stemming from your opinion that the art is overtly sexual. Again, I feel that the fact the art is being printed shows that Wizards does not view it as problematic artwork. And while you may see a lack of consistency in WotC policies and decisions, I think it might be more accurate to say that WotC's decisions are not consistent with your values and opinions.

    I'm not too sure if I understand what you're suggesting with Gathering Throng. Are you saying that Wizards should have covered-up the two men in the background for the official version of the art in the same manner that they covered up the cleavage? If so, I feel as though these are very different examples. While I would argue that breasts and cleavage are not inherently sexual, I do understand that the broader view of society is that they are so I can at least understand the logic behind the censorship. Conversely, I do not see anything sexual about the two men in the background of Bearscape; whether it be in my own views or the views of society at large. Intimate? Sure. Romantic? Probably. But sexual seems like a stretch to me. Granted, that's just my opinion, and your opinion differs. But again, the fact that it's being printed suggests that WotC's opinion is closer to mine.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • 3

    posted a message on Secret Lair Benefitting The Trevor Project


    I'm a little confused by your argument here. Earlier it seemed you were suggesting that the art is overtly sexual like the Chandra/Liliana art, which most people seemed to strongly disagree with. And now you're pointing to this four year old Blogatog post which, if anything, seems to hurt your argument.

    If Wizards is making a conscious effort to move away from art that would make a subset of players feel uncomfortable and they are printing a card with this art, then it seems to me that suggests they don't believe this art would make people feel uncomfortable. Likely because they don't see it as overtly sexual.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • 1

    posted a message on NEO- Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty
    Quote from Caranthir »
    Of course it is a reference to Michiko and Kyodai, FFS. One has aspects of snake (Kyodai), the other is regal (Michiko). It calls back to the end of Guardian, where they were described (post-ascension) in the very same way. Who else would it be?


    I think you're right that it's WotC retconning, but given the ambiguity in the novel it could easily be what 5colors suggested above and that the Sister of Flesh role isn't static, but passed down with the role of emperor. So it would still be the Sisters of Flesh and Stone, just not Michiko. It may not be a hard retcon, because there is nothing from past lore being explicitly contradicted or changed, but I'd still consider it to be a bit of a retcon because I highly doubt that's what was intended when the novel was written.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • 1

    posted a message on [KHM] Halvar, God of Battle | Sword of the Realms
    Is it possible that there might be more than just a 5 card cycle of gods at Mythic? Maybe we'll have have gods at lower rarity as well in different colour combinations. I could also maybe the see former elven gods getting a rare cycle or something, but I don't know if they'd still be "Creature - God" in that case.

    Edit: Maro's hint of "protection from God creatures” appearing in rules text makes it seem a little more likely that there might be more than just 5 Gods
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • To post a comment, please or register a new account.