I didn't see it elsewhere in the thread (and if I just missed it, I apologize) but one of the cards shown at the end of the stream to advertise Double Feature is new.
Torens, Fist of the Angels 1GW
Legendary Creature - Human Cleric (R)
Training
Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a 1/1 Green and White Human Soldier creature token with Training.
2/2
A legendary character returns, but now as a Vampire
I know it's a super longshot, but maybe it's Sorin being de-sparked and being just a vampire creature? The teaser says a legendary character, not a creature, so maybe he's a DFC with a planeswalker on the front and a creature on the back?
That being said, I HIGHLY doubt it would happen, but it might be a cool story beat if Sorin somehow gives up his spark to fix the eternal night issue, what with his whole "Innistrad needs balancer, the humans can't just get slaughtered by the monsters" ideology. I also haven't finished the Midnight Hunt stories yet, so there could easily be something that points away from that.
It wasn't wildly unpopular... People really liked the idea, they wanted it to be good... but it wasn't so they didn't keep playing it long term.
Its a WHEN because people WANT it... just like the decided that despite Tribal being BAD, people still played it so they decided to make a set based on tribal and it was super popular... so Planechase is a WHEN, because they understand there is a desire for a good Planechase... but it is a minor when because PC2 was a disappointment due to people getting tired of PC1 before it came out.
Has there any clear statement that Planechase 2012 was a disappointment? Again I'm not disagreeing, I'm just not aware of anything being said that would point to that being a definitive fact. It's entirely anecdotal, but I worked at an LGS when Planechase 2012 came out and it sold far above our expectations. I know you're saying that you saw comments after Planechase 2012 that a third Planechase wasn't coming soon, but that doesn't necessarily mean Planechase 2012 was a disappointment in terms of sales or reception. It could just as easily be that the previous year's Commander Pre-Cons were extremely popular causing them to shift to using Commander decks as the summer multiplayer product, or that other ideas came up which they wanted to explore, like Conspiracy and Battlebond.
I'm not trying to say that anything you're saying is wrong, but it just seems like you're saying certain things are objectively true when there isn't anything to support them. And I get that a lack of statement from WotC saying Planechase was disliked or disappointment financially doesn't mean that it was especially well-liked or financially successful. But if we have no actual information from Wizards, then all anyone can offer is there personal experiences and observations, which definitely aren't objective facts.
I don't conduct market research, and WotC doesn't publish theirs... but Mark Rosewater has made comments in the past about planechase's sales and such... a quick search isn't showing anything glaring at the moment but if it was popular and lasting then the answer here: https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183033726313/ifwhen-more-planechase
wouldn't be 'minor'...
If it was as wildly unpopular as you're saying, then wouldn't the answer be "if" rather than "when"?
Most people dislike it once the novelty wears off because it steals the game or spoils their win (spike), or because it makes everything else not matter (many Timmies and most Johnnies).
Is this a known fact? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious if there's been any statement from WotC that says that. This is only my experience, but the majority of people who played at my LGS were big fans of planechase with those who disliked it strongly disliking it. So I'm wondering whether or not there's been any official statement to that effect.
uh Remember Japanese packaging of innistrad that got leak
that’s now real because the wrenn and seven card art matches one of those packs perfectly and few other arts matches some of the packages.
so where I’m going with this
Teferi is here as well
I don't think you're wrong that he'll be here, but I also don't think it's a sure thing that he's in the set. Remember back when there was the leak for Ixalan block product images (but I think the sets had different names?) with the proper art for Vraska and Huatli and new art for Ajani. People expected him to be in the block, but WotC changed things up later in design. That could have happened here as well. It's unlikely, but possible so I don't think we can say anything with certainty.
Just look also at the new card spoiled, bounty of the deep https://scryfall.com/card/j21/999-BOTD/bounty-of-the-deep
Even if you nerf that card to be just paper playable (like revealing the cards you tutor and shuffle the deck), that would still be one of the most efficent and overpowered tutors in Magic history that would see play in all formats is legal in.
Unless I'm missing something, that seems like a bit of an exaggeration to me. Getting to somewhat control whether it's grabbing two non-lands or a non-land and a land is great, but the fact that you don't really have control over the specific cards you're grabbing makes it seem more like a pumped up divination than one of the most overpowered tutors in magic history.
the last walker is the platinum dragon but sadly no dragon form art.
Why is he the last walker? I assumed we were getting a blue one as well? And from the number crunch, I had guessed it would be Mordenkainen, but I don't know enough about DnD lore to say whether they'd fit as a 'walker.
When Liliana broke up the fight between Will and Rowan, I was half expecting her to question them on the whole "I wish you stayed dead" thing as part of her quest to bring back Gideon. Also, the story mentioned Lukka taking on the characteristics of the creatures he bonded with. Was that something we saw him do on Ikoria? I don't remember it, but I could just be foggy on the details.
And did I miss something, or did we not get a side story last week?
I might be missing something, but didn't Gideon lose his sural in the fight against Bolas on Amonkhet? I know it's mentioned that its lost at the beginning of the Dominaria story. In this week's story has Liliana has it when talking to Witherbloom. Did I miss a story where Gideon recovered it, or is the implication that Liliana went back to Amonkhet and got it?
People have been memeing Strixhaven as the "HP ripoff set" from the point the name and tagline got spoiled, before we saw anything. You always see what you want to see. I mean, of course the influence is going to be there because of HPs huge cultural status, but so far I don't really see 1:1 plants unless you count really broad tropes like "genius student" and "university sports teams."
Also, the whole "there absolutely was a HP tie in at some point that they had to scrap" argument feels like something on the level of Mew being under the truck near SS Anne. It's based on nothing more than the perception of Wizards as a "SJW company" by some and Rowling's recent fall from grace.
I find the theory that Strixhaven was supposed to be a Harry Potter Tie-in to be so strange. If the theory is that the set was designed with HP in mind but then they didn't secure the license and had to change the flavor, there seems to be problems with it. This is just my opinion, but the flavor seems pretty extensive to be something slapped together to salvage an already designed set. And the big issue for me is that the set does not seem like it would mechanically fit with HP. 5 enemy colored factions doesn't fit into a world with the four Hogwarts houses, lots of the mechanics on the cards really would be hard to concept in the HP world, and if it were designed as a top-down HP set then I feel like there'd be a lot more direct examples that people could point to.
I'd really like to know what support these people have for the theory beyond "This character fits the same trope as Hermione" and "This magic school ALSO has team sports" because I really feel like I must be missing something..
It's possible, but it heavily depends on what version of Lukka WotC decides to define as canon. Card Lukka could be WR, Story Lukka is BR and even then calling him R is a huge stretch. There's also the issue that we literally just got a WR Planeswalker in Zendikar Rising, but then again Tyvar Kell is kinda-not-really GB and came right after a GB Nissa.
I always thought Lukka was a good example of RWB character, or at least that's how he came across to me by the end of the Ikoria book. He added W to his R with his mission to achieve order and safety for his people, but B for the opportunistic and self-serving way he went about trying to accomplish that. But that was just my headcanon, so I could be way off on that.
Wonder if we will see another planeswalker since its likely the Kenriths are MDFC.
I was wondering the same. If I remember correctly, MaRo said that each of the clues in his teaser were referring to different cards. This one has "Repeat this process six more times.", so that might mean this wasn't what he was referring to with "a planeswalker you know, but not as you know them". Which would mean that there might be Kenriths as MDFC, Onyx, Kasmina, and a fourth Planeswalker we know but not as we know them (Unless Simic Kasmina fills that gap).
But then again, maybe MaRo meant that the hints were referring to different cards, and the rules texts snippets are separate from that? Or maybe there is another repeat 6 times card?
All Magic worlds are in the Magic UNIVERSE, it cannot be a multiverse if there's only one. That's literally what multi- means, multiple. An extra world is not another universe, it's another world in THE universe. Just like how Jupiter isn't another universe to Earth. How do you not know that? Dragonball has a multiverse. Power Rangers has a multiverse. Marvel & DC have a multiverse. Magic does not have a multiverse.
I might be misunderstanding you here, and if that's the case I apologize, but Magic does have a multiverse. Earth and Jupiter are different worlds in the same universe, like how Innistrad and its moon are in the same universe. But Innistrad and Zendikar aren't in the same universe in that same respect. They're different planes within Magic's Multiverse.
Torens, Fist of the Angels 1GW
Legendary Creature - Human Cleric (R)
Training
Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a 1/1 Green and White Human Soldier creature token with Training.
2/2
I know it's a super longshot, but maybe it's Sorin being de-sparked and being just a vampire creature? The teaser says a legendary character, not a creature, so maybe he's a DFC with a planeswalker on the front and a creature on the back?
That being said, I HIGHLY doubt it would happen, but it might be a cool story beat if Sorin somehow gives up his spark to fix the eternal night issue, what with his whole "Innistrad needs balancer, the humans can't just get slaughtered by the monsters" ideology. I also haven't finished the Midnight Hunt stories yet, so there could easily be something that points away from that.
Has there any clear statement that Planechase 2012 was a disappointment? Again I'm not disagreeing, I'm just not aware of anything being said that would point to that being a definitive fact. It's entirely anecdotal, but I worked at an LGS when Planechase 2012 came out and it sold far above our expectations. I know you're saying that you saw comments after Planechase 2012 that a third Planechase wasn't coming soon, but that doesn't necessarily mean Planechase 2012 was a disappointment in terms of sales or reception. It could just as easily be that the previous year's Commander Pre-Cons were extremely popular causing them to shift to using Commander decks as the summer multiplayer product, or that other ideas came up which they wanted to explore, like Conspiracy and Battlebond.
I'm not trying to say that anything you're saying is wrong, but it just seems like you're saying certain things are objectively true when there isn't anything to support them. And I get that a lack of statement from WotC saying Planechase was disliked or disappointment financially doesn't mean that it was especially well-liked or financially successful. But if we have no actual information from Wizards, then all anyone can offer is there personal experiences and observations, which definitely aren't objective facts.
If it was as wildly unpopular as you're saying, then wouldn't the answer be "if" rather than "when"?
Is this a known fact? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious if there's been any statement from WotC that says that. This is only my experience, but the majority of people who played at my LGS were big fans of planechase with those who disliked it strongly disliking it. So I'm wondering whether or not there's been any official statement to that effect.
I don't think you're wrong that he'll be here, but I also don't think it's a sure thing that he's in the set. Remember back when there was the leak for Ixalan block product images (but I think the sets had different names?) with the proper art for Vraska and Huatli and new art for Ajani. People expected him to be in the block, but WotC changed things up later in design. That could have happened here as well. It's unlikely, but possible so I don't think we can say anything with certainty.
Unless I'm missing something, that seems like a bit of an exaggeration to me. Getting to somewhat control whether it's grabbing two non-lands or a non-land and a land is great, but the fact that you don't really have control over the specific cards you're grabbing makes it seem more like a pumped up divination than one of the most overpowered tutors in magic history.
Why is he the last walker? I assumed we were getting a blue one as well? And from the number crunch, I had guessed it would be Mordenkainen, but I don't know enough about DnD lore to say whether they'd fit as a 'walker.
And did I miss something, or did we not get a side story last week?
I find the theory that Strixhaven was supposed to be a Harry Potter Tie-in to be so strange. If the theory is that the set was designed with HP in mind but then they didn't secure the license and had to change the flavor, there seems to be problems with it. This is just my opinion, but the flavor seems pretty extensive to be something slapped together to salvage an already designed set. And the big issue for me is that the set does not seem like it would mechanically fit with HP. 5 enemy colored factions doesn't fit into a world with the four Hogwarts houses, lots of the mechanics on the cards really would be hard to concept in the HP world, and if it were designed as a top-down HP set then I feel like there'd be a lot more direct examples that people could point to.
I'd really like to know what support these people have for the theory beyond "This character fits the same trope as Hermione" and "This magic school ALSO has team sports" because I really feel like I must be missing something..
I always thought Lukka was a good example of RWB character, or at least that's how he came across to me by the end of the Ikoria book. He added W to his R with his mission to achieve order and safety for his people, but B for the opportunistic and self-serving way he went about trying to accomplish that. But that was just my headcanon, so I could be way off on that.
https://www.pcgamer.com/magic-the-gathering-strixhaven-reveal-quintorius-of-lorehold-college/
I was wondering the same. If I remember correctly, MaRo said that each of the clues in his teaser were referring to different cards. This one has "Repeat this process six more times.", so that might mean this wasn't what he was referring to with "a planeswalker you know, but not as you know them". Which would mean that there might be Kenriths as MDFC, Onyx, Kasmina, and a fourth Planeswalker we know but not as we know them (Unless Simic Kasmina fills that gap).
But then again, maybe MaRo meant that the hints were referring to different cards, and the rules texts snippets are separate from that? Or maybe there is another repeat 6 times card?
I might be misunderstanding you here, and if that's the case I apologize, but Magic does have a multiverse. Earth and Jupiter are different worlds in the same universe, like how Innistrad and its moon are in the same universe. But Innistrad and Zendikar aren't in the same universe in that same respect. They're different planes within Magic's Multiverse.