I investigated TIK last night and got a not-town result with the flavor strongly implying that he is scum and killed Kpaca last night. Flavor is just flavor like AI said. Everyone who says I'm a watcher because I say that or stuff like that is an idiot.
Ok so do you understand what I am saying here? That a cop usually only gets the allignment of a player? Not if they killed someone else?
Also who did you target night 1 I dont remember you saying that.
You just realized the scum didn't have a kill last night?
I knew Loran killed Seppel but couldn't figure out who the scum killed only to realize it was no one.. Yup I just realize this.
That's not a fact. It is a possibility that is HIGHLY unlikely, as has already been explained numerous times.
Facts are things that be proven or unproven.
What are you saying here? That you have a problem considering them being on the same scum team? That you have a problem comparing interactions with them period because they are brothers?
I am having a hard time figuing out if the interaction between Iso and Seppel is scum/scum or Brother/Brother.
Regardless, them being brothers should have no bearing on anything game related. They were not brothers in the game, after all.
I disagree with you.
I think it would be awesome for them to trigger their memory then lose it again. Kind of like a kick in the nuts. Good times.
Oh yea a totally good thing for a townie to do... Kick em in the nuts..
I'll take a vaca until monday too. Happy rest for all.
Hey, now that i've thought about this, I don't want to lynch Vezo because I can get Art's role card and find out exactly what it does. I think that Tezz might be making some good points. Unvote
Wrong. We can still Lynch Vezo and you can Still get art's card.
Now after you get the card, can you do anything with it??
Anyone else who thinks this is a valid point please raise their hands. Because I have already explained this and I would be interested to know who else still think Iso is correct on this.
I have a problem with Seppel and Iso together as they are brothers.. I cannot be sure that the interaction between the two can be the same between say you and me.
Huh?
I thought I read somewhere that you knew that you would lose your "matchsticks" or something once your memory was triggered.. I cannot find that but I need to search more..
I effing don't bloody know what happens after I gain my memory. How the hell do you know I will lose my ability? And I can still scumhunt even if I am an impaired vanilla town with like 1 vote lynch threshold. Must I even be a power role to do anything to help the town?
See above, I am under the idea that you know you were going to lose your role once your memory was triggered.
I have been under the impression that if I force someone to forget, that someone would have been set back in his or her ability. You know differently?
Now you know I cannot KNOW differently. I can only speculate.
Under your impression, what do you think your role does to someone who gained their memory say day 1 and you erase it day 3? These are things that I am just curious about.
I don't trigger memory, which you apparently had missed the point. I induce amnesia, not memory.
No im saying for you to unlock your memory you need others to remember their own. Hence why I wouldn't want the scum to unlock their memory.
I was highlighting a point because MH said I needed 7 days to trigger my memory, so I chose the other extreme. Why is this exactly a point in the veracity of my alignment?
As said above, you would want as many people to gain their memory to release your own.
I think you missed the part where I said I didn't recall that particular fact when I made my choice last night. Did you miss that part? Are you perhaps ignoring it in favor of pushing forward your point?
However you knew that Reya could trigger his memory again for all of us to see...
Indeed. Right on both counts.
I still don't see how I am "annoyed" with my comment..
I gotta see why I thought that Dagger knew that his "ability" would turn off once he gets his memory... Hmm.
Shalako's FAKE multivote got Chibi to reveal his role.. I don't find that action to be all town friendly.. It appears to be someone who is looking for information from the other team..
What sort of 'Normal' game have you played that has two cops?
So anyways, I've wanted to do this for awhile now. vote Roja. Why? He randomly pops in, is sooo flying under the radar here, and has slowly stopped posting since day 1. I've gone back, read his comments, and I really, really feel like this guy is scum. Isn't their purpose to appear town? This guy seems to be doing it incredibly well. He feels so wrong though, cautious, like he's trying waaay to hard here.
You are voting for me because of my real life obligiations? This is a bad vote. And what's even worse is the whole weekend I was prepairing and cleaing up after a Hurricane. If you really feel that im scum for this, I pity you.
AI messed up and on night 1 instead of sending me a result on shalako the flavor said kpaca. Didn't actually matter because I got blocked. AI then admitted he messed up and I wasn't redirected to kpaca or anything.
Now onto the important stuff.
I CC a claimed cop. After getting getting some pressure art went ahead and said : "Hey , I'm a metal cop not a normal cop". I was a normal cop so I assumed he was fake claiming to save his ass. Of course I was sure he was scum.
Then I investigate someone that is scum and you want to lynch because I counter claimed someone? Seriously what is wrong with this town?
Now here is the problem I have with Vezo's role. Not only does he claim to have found someone who is scum, he is also claiming that this role WATCHED his target make the night kill overnight.
Nope I don't buy it at all Vezo. UNVOTE. VOTE VEZO
Artifice claimed cop. Just cop. I CCed. AFTER, and this is a big AFTER, he claimed he is a metal cop. I thought he was now just fake claiming to save his skin.
And now. I got the result as not-town. But from the flavor AI provided TIK is scum.
Also last time I checked not-town and scum are the same thing. Well nearly the same.
So what about the theory of you claiming cop AFTER Artifice to ensure that the real cop get lynched?
"Put down the banana for a moment. You keep misspelling that word and each time it makes me die a little inside. The word is moniker, not monkier."
Noted.
"My point being that you state that you don't know what to think about it and then more or less come to the conclusion it's scummy."
Correct, I find the role to be more scummy then townie. Also how Dagger is trying to "sell" the role I find he is doing it in more of tricky manner. Mostly the question to be asked is what happens after he "loses" this ability then? How much "help" can he be for the town. (Role speaking of course..)
"You mean call attention to what he was saying? He would call attention to it to make sure people read it."
Unless he is calling out Loran is scum I don't understand the need for people to see something he called out. Loran already admitting to making the kill.
I will say, going over the death sceen, It did open my eyes that a that the scum didn't get a kill they wanted. So I guess that is something good.
"The only other reasonable explanation is that he's a SK, but that is much less likely than what he claims to be. So you have to err to the side of trusting his claims until you have other proof."
And only saying what Reya said as well, but what about the potental of scum killing scum? What about the fact that they could NOT KNOW each other?
I'm not okay with lynching Vezok, because Art claimed a role cop, not a flat out real cop.
Yanni you are soo back peddeling your decition to have Art killed it is amazing. You are basicly saying everything I was trying to say while he was still alive. But you were already at the point of not caring what Art said because you wanted him killed.
People please stop listening to Yanni, he has been wrong what two times now in his rushing/hunting style.. I don't think it is getting us to anywhere good.
On a similar note I think that we need to keep an eye on Shalako as well. His "outing" of Chibi then retracting still has be peved. But he once again with Yanni killed Art without beleiving a word he said.
The interaction between Yanni and Chibi has me wonder if some sort of gambit is going on.. And we are all here sitting and believing it.
I'm willing to believe that Vezo is another cop. With Kpaca being Chandra, the Firebrand I think the m12 Jase is likely too.
I'm also willing to beleive that TIK would be scum then. Consider this my vote for him..
Oh yea, Holiday weekend i'll not be around. Hopefully back on tuesday.
Wait what are you talking about? Vezo has claimed two roles in one.. under the name of "cop". I dont see it possible.
I would like you to explain yourself here today.
So you are a watching cop?
Ok so do you understand what I am saying here? That a cop usually only gets the allignment of a player? Not if they killed someone else?
Also who did you target night 1 I dont remember you saying that.
Fearmongering.. AHH!!!!!
I can agree with TIK I haven't reveived anything either any night.
Wow that was so easy, fish and you shall receive.. hmm
That should read:
It was an honest statement about how I felt.
I was honest in how I felt. I dont know how to feel about it.. And I leaned for it to more likely be a scum role then a town roll.
I knew Loran killed Seppel but couldn't figure out who the scum killed only to realize it was no one.. Yup I just realize this.
Facts are things that be proven or unproven.
I am having a hard time figuing out if the interaction between Iso and Seppel is scum/scum or Brother/Brother.
I disagree with you.
Oh yea a totally good thing for a townie to do... Kick em in the nuts..
I'll take a vaca until monday too. Happy rest for all.
Yea I totally made a note of that..
Just to let you know Vezo, im voting for you because I don't believe the "info" you are spewing. It doesn't add up and make sence.
Haha I noticed this as well. He is also fond of Chibi..
Wrong. We can still Lynch Vezo and you can Still get art's card.
Now after you get the card, can you do anything with it??
Also he claimed to witness the kill.. Not a "cop" role.
@Killjoy
I am weary of your plan because it revolves around trusting Chibi which at the moment I currently do not.
I have a problem with Seppel and Iso together as they are brothers.. I cannot be sure that the interaction between the two can be the same between say you and me.
I thought I read somewhere that you knew that you would lose your "matchsticks" or something once your memory was triggered.. I cannot find that but I need to search more..
See above, I am under the idea that you know you were going to lose your role once your memory was triggered.
Now you know I cannot KNOW differently. I can only speculate.
Under your impression, what do you think your role does to someone who gained their memory say day 1 and you erase it day 3? These are things that I am just curious about.
No im saying for you to unlock your memory you need others to remember their own. Hence why I wouldn't want the scum to unlock their memory.
As said above, you would want as many people to gain their memory to release your own.
However you knew that Reya could trigger his memory again for all of us to see...
I still don't see how I am "annoyed" with my comment..
I gotta see why I thought that Dagger knew that his "ability" would turn off once he gets his memory... Hmm.
Sounds like someone is having this thing I like to call FUN.
Glad to hear things are going well for ya.
Which part the first part or the second part.
I was upset with part 1. But thrilled with part 2. And something I saw on TMZ apparently Shelly's family is getting death threats..
Shalako's FAKE multivote got Chibi to reveal his role.. I don't find that action to be all town friendly.. It appears to be someone who is looking for information from the other team..
None, but i'll address this later in this post.
Question, why is Chibi on your post here when it looks like you scorned me for suggesting it in my next post?
You are voting for me because of my real life obligiations? This is a bad vote. And what's even worse is the whole weekend I was prepairing and cleaing up after a Hurricane. If you really feel that im scum for this, I pity you.
Now here is the problem I have with Vezo's role. Not only does he claim to have found someone who is scum, he is also claiming that this role WATCHED his target make the night kill overnight.
Nope I don't buy it at all Vezo. UNVOTE. VOTE VEZO
Actually I can get behind a Roja vote. Only as long as you Yanni are the one to hammer.
So what about the theory of you claiming cop AFTER Artifice to ensure that the real cop get lynched?
Noted.
Correct, I find the role to be more scummy then townie. Also how Dagger is trying to "sell" the role I find he is doing it in more of tricky manner. Mostly the question to be asked is what happens after he "loses" this ability then? How much "help" can he be for the town. (Role speaking of course..)
Unless he is calling out Loran is scum I don't understand the need for people to see something he called out. Loran already admitting to making the kill.
I will say, going over the death sceen, It did open my eyes that a that the scum didn't get a kill they wanted. So I guess that is something good.
Expect my non vote to be on him then.
And only saying what Reya said as well, but what about the potental of scum killing scum? What about the fact that they could NOT KNOW each other?
However I feel that Loran is a townie.
South of High street, kinda close to the Hospital.
I graduated from Upper Merion and have been trecking west ever since..
Yanni you are soo back peddeling your decition to have Art killed it is amazing. You are basicly saying everything I was trying to say while he was still alive. But you were already at the point of not caring what Art said because you wanted him killed.
People please stop listening to Yanni, he has been wrong what two times now in his rushing/hunting style.. I don't think it is getting us to anywhere good.
On a similar note I think that we need to keep an eye on Shalako as well. His "outing" of Chibi then retracting still has be peved. But he once again with Yanni killed Art without beleiving a word he said.
The interaction between Yanni and Chibi has me wonder if some sort of gambit is going on.. And we are all here sitting and believing it.
I'm willing to believe that Vezo is another cop. With Kpaca being Chandra, the Firebrand I think the m12 Jase is likely too.
I'm also willing to beleive that TIK would be scum then. Consider this my vote for him..
Until then i'll put my vote back on Yanni.
Vote Yanni.
So once he acheives his monkier he cannot be trusted as a "roleblocker" as he suggested...