Roja, why are you trying so hard to smear Manders and bring her down with you? It's painfully obvious that she's town. I can't see any reason why a member of the town would continue to push this issue.
Here let me help you. Check out Manders last post here:
Honestly, I'm fine with lynching Dagger or Roja. Both are behaving scummy as hell for reasons already provided by me or others.
What does need to happen is Dancing Mad needs to contribute, and we need to end this Day.
As it seems more are happier lynching Roja than Dagger,
Unvote; Vote: Roja
First, she lists no real reasons why she is voting for me. Only the fact that she is copying other people's reasons. (She did state reasons for Dagger but I shouldn't be bunched into that.)
Second she STILL feels Dagger is scum after her huge PBPA posts against him and yet she just tosses her vote in my direction.
Third what annoys me is how she wants Dancing Mad to say more completely giving jskrua a free pass.
Sorry if you feel that I am "smearing" Manders Iso, however she isn't playing all saintlike.
So would I. But apparently that's not going to happen today.
So you just roll over and vote whatever is easier? Let me ask you this do you think Dagger and I are on the same team? And then after you answer that I want to know why you think that way.
As for the Jskura post I agree that it isn't enough. We get it that there are some "issues" but he can do much better.. Even if i'm lynched today, we need more info out of Jskura before giving him a free pass.
What aspect of my day 1 play? And what are your thoughts on my play today? Because I could clear myself now if I chose to, I just have no reason to, presently.
There is no point in outting yourself unless you are really worried about my opinion of you.. Hmm.
Your day 1 of setting up arguements before posting stings quite well with me still.
Clearly your day two play gets better if Dagger turns up scum. But until I see that I cannot say you play better now can I?
"Questions:
1) Why is Reya second from the bottom?
2) Did you ever pseudo-vote Dagger?
3) Will you confirm one more time that you do not have a vote?
On that last point, Mod, we are sorely in need of a vote count."
1. I don't trust Reya, he has said next to nothing allowing me to beleive that he is a member of the town.
2. I thought I did, but don't have the time to look.
3. VOTE DAGGER
"Hey folks, remember how I said that I didn't have any real people pegged as scum and that it was more process of elimination than anything else? Well, I would like to revise my earlier statement in light of new evidence provided by Roja. Vote: Roja This post is so out of left field in an attempt to discredit, I can see absolutely no town mindset possible here."[quote]
Whoa, how is that any different then Manders like 10 posts of "OMG will post later"?
And yea it is a wild thought, what about Manders, Iso, Seppel dream team? Cant you wait to hear about it years later about how awesome they were?
[quote]"Really? Is that so? Do tell."
Because I just don't see it as scum bussing scum. (his orginal post against Dagger that is.)
"Let us try a fun thought exercise. Where would you put yourself on the trust list, and don't just put yourself at the top because you 'know your role'. Imagine that you are any of the other players in the game. Where should we put you?"
Hmm Because of my situation with this game, I have been trying to play better. Having no vote and only a voice is something I find horribly annoying. Yet what I find even more annoying is the fact that someone who has a PR or whatnot is more trustworthy over me who has spent the time and effor into this game. So trust me however you can throw me, I don't have all the time in the world to play, and clearly there are some mental mind trap you caught me in. I'm a townie and have been activly going after scum. Sorry if you see what im doing in a different light.
I know I'm at three votes but I don't know if I'll have time to respond as I have plans.
My trigger for memory is to surive to day three. And that my monkier was Sangria.
I'm not trying to make you look bad. I'm trying to get answers. Your answer is inconsistent.
You're saying that Dancing Mad (Tanarin at the time) is cleared because he had the specific town's win condition known when he claimed. And Manders REALIZED that and cleared him for it. So by your logic, if Manders is scum, so is Dancing Mad. That means that Manders should be right next to Dancing Mad in your trust list, not after loran. Why do you trust kill-joy so much?
I told you why they are on the list and why Tanarin is higher then Manders. I'm allowed to rank them how I want too. I'm not blindingly trusting Manders. Just like im not blindling trusting you.
Kill-joy hasen't said anything I really haven't disagreed with. And I don't find him suspicitious.
More importantly, why didn't you include the possibility that jskura could be scum, or ANYWHERE on your list, for that matter?
OMG THAT TOTALLYS MEANS I OUTTED US AS SCUM OH CRAP!
Or I clearly forgot to put him on my list. (Tell you how much he posts huh?)
However if you note from my other comments about him, he would be one up over Dagger on my trust/scum list.
Firstly, you said you trust Dagger the least of all of the players in the game presently.
But I'm your 3rd least trusted player.
I started the case on Dagger.
If I'm one of your least trusted players, then why are you taking a case I started and using it for your nonvote-vote?
This is inconsistent. And now you're saying there's a lot to read, considering the possibility that Manders is scum after she has basically been cleared.
No.
Unvote, vote Roja
You haven't been adding up lately. Best start explaining.
You do realize your trust level will change once Dagger flips scum? However until that happens Im not sure how much I can trust you. If Dagger happens to not be scum, YOU as you said started the case against him and thus something I would be looking on... (again.)
I dont have all the time in the world to do the work I should be doing. (Im only posting now because im able to work from home thus allowing me to look on here while "working".) It's a fact of life and if that makes me scum then that makes you a bad player for thinking that.
Wait. And why the hell do you trust Dancing Mad more than loran?
Now see here I think you are trying to make me look bad.
You just said above about why I doubt Manders as she is "cleared". Didn't Taneran also get cleared in that same situation?
I thought he was town before that instance and thought that Manders wasn't so before then. That is why they are ranked the way they are. Tanaran is cleared and I trust, I really trust Loran and kill joy. And while I think manders can be scum she is cleared via the same reason as Tanarin is.
Let me tell you this loud and clear, or in this case, bolded to my heart's content:
A new scum is unwilling to vote another player because they fear attention from that player.
Are you going to dispute the above bolded statement?
There is a lot to go though (since there has been a back and forth..) I'm posting what catches my eye.
Dagger I am not sure I can agree with your bolded statement here. I would like to think that "a new scum in unwilling to vote another player because they fear attention from EVERYONE ELSE."
My assumption is that they are trying to fit in, and if they go aganst "the town" (everyone else.) that would put more attention onto them then they going against who they are trying to peg as scum.
Then again I can only speak from my experiance as scum that one time.
"I'll stop trying to get an answer out of you then and just leave it as a point against you. You have failed to adaquately explain the mistmatch in the original post."
OK then. I am totally confused but sure whatever you got me down as scum. ok.
"Wrong, I make it sound like you've said multiple times this game: 'I don't know how to view <x>'. Sometimes even right beside your view of <x>. You know what those posts scream to me? Fence-sitting."
All that when in my own post I say I dont know what to think about it. then go on explaining myself.. Call it whatever you want. Im unsure of it.
"I'm not going to play this game any more. I've given my reads enough times. If you truly care to know, go back and find it."
Welcome to where I feel the game has been. Hopefully it picks up soon.
"And what is the order of players that you feel that you can trust, praytell?"
Reasons which, if I recall, you rescinded eventually. Am I really that suspicious to you?
It's more of a gut feeling. I have had it the whole game. Last game I have played I didn't go with my Gut and was wrong. If I would have stayed with my orginal feelings I would have lynched 3 of the scum.
I just feel I cannot trust you as much as the others. I just cant shake it.
Not really. Yes, he knew what he was getting into (IF he read the game at all before he volunteered to replace, which is NOT guaranteed), but if he did that, he also knew that we were not pushing SP too much until he got his voice back.
This is all WIFOM.. I would have thought Jskrua would have at least known what he was getting into before signing up.
I can't answer for Iso and I'm not doing so, but IMO no. That doesn't worry me at all. I'd rather have him be able to talk than not have an ability.
Is this because you really feel like you can nail him saying scummy things?
Why? Because of the way I chose to interact with my brother?
No for reasons before we found out your brother was scum.
No, I'm not giving him a free pass for anything. I'm saying that he'll be much more useful to us when he can talk. =/
But he CAN talk now.. it just is a little difficult for him.
No, for a few reasons. If his posting restriction is removed, it won't happen until Day. Currently, we don't know WHAT jskura can do with his possible PR, but once he's unmuted, we can drill him as long and hard for information as we want. Personally, I don't think the scum stands a chance now. The odds are in our favor, especially if Dagger is scum (which I am convinced is true). If jskura is the missing link, it's as simple as that. If not, we obviously just have to look elsewhere.
What exactly is holding Jskrua back from participating? Sure it is way easier to let him be able to type and talk it doesn't make it a smart or right choice.. That is the LAZY option.
Also a good point. If Dagger is left alive and targets jskura, just to make us suspicious of him, then that's gonna be a mislynch on our behalf.
For this to happen we would have to lynch neither of them. Who is your third option then?
"Really, that's your excuse? That it was solidified after you wrote the post and went back? The entire post (other than the 'I don't know what to think about it' bit) already read like you thought it was a scum role. This isn't some ex post facto analysis of yours. The post was entirely insincere within itself."
See now you have gotten me all confused and I really have no idea how to answer your question. If im insincere with my comments then at the time I wrote them I was insincere... I just feel you have these Jedi mind games going and im just too dumb to play along.
"You misunderstood the question. You repeatedly during this game commented on how you 'don't know what to think' about a multitude of items. Why do you feel the need to state that instead of just not commenting on it at all until you have a better idea?"
That is because at the time I post I really don't know what to think. However it is important enough for me to comment on. You make it sound like I don't have any opinions on anyone. Which is false. I'm sorry that not every comment I make is clear cut..
"You are REALLY making me want to vote you. I have other fish on my plate at the moment, but you aren't far behind."
Jskura needs to talk those just allowing him to rollover and buff up I find unacceptable.
So im behind how many people and who are these fishies?
Moreover, once again, you're forgetting an earlier point I made - HE CAME INTO THIS GAME KNOWING ABOUT THE POSTING RESTRICTION. He REPLACED IN. Therefore he knew what his situation was when he got into this game and he's STILL shirking that responsibility.
This is a REALLY good point. A good point against jskura.
The bolded doesn't include yourself, and seems to be referring to the town as a whole.
Are you still against activating his trigger? I recall you were before../quote]
Based on how I know almost nothing about what Jskura wants/feels I am very wery in just handing over his trigger.
[quote=The_Doctor;/comments/10779153]"Is it just me that's not seeing something? You claim you don't know what to think of it, then come in with a clear thought about how that role might align."
I think I can only talk about what I thought at the time of my typing not what I remember I thought when I first posted. I think that is the problem. After looking at it again I reinforced my thoughts that it wasn't a role I could trust.
"What?"
Manders said it wasen't a fact, I let her know what a fact was.
"Why do you insist on continually telling us that you are having a hard time of figuring stuff out?"
Because I want to say that Iso is scum, there isn't anything clear cut to make him a townie however If I think that way then the interaction between Seppel and Iso are not only brother/brother but partner/partner as well. And using that interaction im not sure how I can view Iso.
I want jskura to contribute as much as the next person does. But if I were in jskura's position, I wouldn't WANT to contribute until I could do so freely, because the posting restriction is a pain in the ass. I am not adverse to pressure on jskura. But voting him isn't going to provide productivity for the town. His behavior is anti-town by not contributing, but to prevent him from being able to contribute to the best of his ability is also anti-town. Tomorrow, jskura will have no post restriction, and if he doesn't give us all the answers we want then, I would be completely for lynching him.
You are giving Jskura a free pass. If Jskura was a townie he could at least post something once a day.. Him not posting anything allowing us to WAIT for him isn't something I support.
He needs to get stuff down on paper now so that when he CAN talk we know what to expect.
There's no way he's skating to the end of the game regardless, but you're both right. His refusal to use any of the resources we've provided to him is unacceptable.
However if I am correct, you are giving Jskura a pass until he can actually talk amiright?
Keep voting him and you'll never have him talking.
Vacation was awesome, My non vote would be on Dagger or Jskura.
It's Iso thought Seppel was town, so they were friendly/silly together. Isn't reflective of alignment or relationship. Seppel's silly with plenty of people that aren't his brother. Same with Iso, actually.
Right but from all I see from Seppel to Iso is "follow me". How should I be looking into it?
To scum?
You bet your ass it is.
And so you approve Dagger's use of it on Reya? And anyone he thinks he wants to use it on?
Here let me help you. Check out Manders last post here:
First, she lists no real reasons why she is voting for me. Only the fact that she is copying other people's reasons. (She did state reasons for Dagger but I shouldn't be bunched into that.)
Second she STILL feels Dagger is scum after her huge PBPA posts against him and yet she just tosses her vote in my direction.
Third what annoys me is how she wants Dancing Mad to say more completely giving jskrua a free pass.
Sorry if you feel that I am "smearing" Manders Iso, however she isn't playing all saintlike.
So you just roll over and vote whatever is easier? Let me ask you this do you think Dagger and I are on the same team? And then after you answer that I want to know why you think that way.
As for the Jskura post I agree that it isn't enough. We get it that there are some "issues" but he can do much better.. Even if i'm lynched today, we need more info out of Jskura before giving him a free pass.
Also the "ability" that I started with was: That I have no vote.
There is no point in outting yourself unless you are really worried about my opinion of you.. Hmm.
Your day 1 of setting up arguements before posting stings quite well with me still.
Clearly your day two play gets better if Dagger turns up scum. But until I see that I cannot say you play better now can I?
1. I don't trust Reya, he has said next to nothing allowing me to beleive that he is a member of the town.
2. I thought I did, but don't have the time to look.
3. VOTE DAGGER
Because I just don't see it as scum bussing scum. (his orginal post against Dagger that is.)
Hmm Because of my situation with this game, I have been trying to play better. Having no vote and only a voice is something I find horribly annoying. Yet what I find even more annoying is the fact that someone who has a PR or whatnot is more trustworthy over me who has spent the time and effor into this game. So trust me however you can throw me, I don't have all the time in the world to play, and clearly there are some mental mind trap you caught me in. I'm a townie and have been activly going after scum. Sorry if you see what im doing in a different light.
I know I'm at three votes but I don't know if I'll have time to respond as I have plans.
My trigger for memory is to surive to day three. And that my monkier was Sangria.
Also im not a fan of Manders vote there either..
Clearly Ice King is the vote.
Vote TheIceKing.
I did nothing over night so no night actions from me.
I told you why they are on the list and why Tanarin is higher then Manders. I'm allowed to rank them how I want too. I'm not blindingly trusting Manders. Just like im not blindling trusting you.
Kill-joy hasen't said anything I really haven't disagreed with. And I don't find him suspicitious.
OMG THAT TOTALLYS MEANS I OUTTED US AS SCUM OH CRAP!
Or I clearly forgot to put him on my list. (Tell you how much he posts huh?)
However if you note from my other comments about him, he would be one up over Dagger on my trust/scum list.
My doubt of you has nothing to do with Dagger's case. It's your day 1 play. Thats why I don't have trust in you.
You do realize your trust level will change once Dagger flips scum? However until that happens Im not sure how much I can trust you. If Dagger happens to not be scum, YOU as you said started the case against him and thus something I would be looking on... (again.)
I dont have all the time in the world to do the work I should be doing. (Im only posting now because im able to work from home thus allowing me to look on here while "working".) It's a fact of life and if that makes me scum then that makes you a bad player for thinking that.
Now see here I think you are trying to make me look bad.
You just said above about why I doubt Manders as she is "cleared". Didn't Taneran also get cleared in that same situation?
I thought he was town before that instance and thought that Manders wasn't so before then. That is why they are ranked the way they are. Tanaran is cleared and I trust, I really trust Loran and kill joy. And while I think manders can be scum she is cleared via the same reason as Tanarin is.
There is a lot to go though (since there has been a back and forth..) I'm posting what catches my eye.
Dagger I am not sure I can agree with your bolded statement here. I would like to think that "a new scum in unwilling to vote another player because they fear attention from EVERYONE ELSE."
My assumption is that they are trying to fit in, and if they go aganst "the town" (everyone else.) that would put more attention onto them then they going against who they are trying to peg as scum.
Then again I can only speak from my experiance as scum that one time.
Wild thought: Manders, Iso and Seppel scum? Like wouldn't they think that to be a dream team.
Reading the points now..
OK then. I am totally confused but sure whatever you got me down as scum. ok.
All that when in my own post I say I dont know what to think about it. then go on explaining myself.. Call it whatever you want. Im unsure of it.
Welcome to where I feel the game has been. Hopefully it picks up soon.
Trust ----------------------------------------------------Trust least.
Tanarin/DM, Loran, Kill-joy, Manders, The_Doctor, Iso, Reya and Dagger.
Heck consider it my scum list too.
It's more of a gut feeling. I have had it the whole game. Last game I have played I didn't go with my Gut and was wrong. If I would have stayed with my orginal feelings I would have lynched 3 of the scum.
I just feel I cannot trust you as much as the others. I just cant shake it.
This is all WIFOM.. I would have thought Jskrua would have at least known what he was getting into before signing up.
Is this because you really feel like you can nail him saying scummy things?
No for reasons before we found out your brother was scum.
But he CAN talk now.. it just is a little difficult for him.
What exactly is holding Jskrua back from participating? Sure it is way easier to let him be able to type and talk it doesn't make it a smart or right choice.. That is the LAZY option.
For this to happen we would have to lynch neither of them. Who is your third option then?
See now you have gotten me all confused and I really have no idea how to answer your question. If im insincere with my comments then at the time I wrote them I was insincere... I just feel you have these Jedi mind games going and im just too dumb to play along.
That is because at the time I post I really don't know what to think. However it is important enough for me to comment on. You make it sound like I don't have any opinions on anyone. Which is false. I'm sorry that not every comment I make is clear cut..
Jskura needs to talk those just allowing him to rollover and buff up I find unacceptable.
So im behind how many people and who are these fishies?
This is a REALLY good point. A good point against jskura.
After unlocking his trigger.. does that not worry you?
If I need any help i'll ask for it. I don't even know if activating my trigger will give me a vote.
I think I can only talk about what I thought at the time of my typing not what I remember I thought when I first posted. I think that is the problem. After looking at it again I reinforced my thoughts that it wasn't a role I could trust.
Manders said it wasen't a fact, I let her know what a fact was.
Because I want to say that Iso is scum, there isn't anything clear cut to make him a townie however If I think that way then the interaction between Seppel and Iso are not only brother/brother but partner/partner as well. And using that interaction im not sure how I can view Iso.
You are giving Jskura a free pass. If Jskura was a townie he could at least post something once a day.. Him not posting anything allowing us to WAIT for him isn't something I support.
He needs to get stuff down on paper now so that when he CAN talk we know what to expect.
His words were not wise at all. You are giving him a free pass and im annoyed with it.
I am happy that we are finally got our eyes on Jskura. Now lets hope that Jskura realizes that he has floor and that he provides us with SOMETHING..
There is plenty of time, so we can wait for him to get something together..
Hell we don't even have a (and Jskura you can use this..)
"I am in the process of replying" I expect to have something posted here
Tomorrow
Next
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Sunday
"
Tada! Lets see something.
However if I am correct, you are giving Jskura a pass until he can actually talk amiright?
Keep voting him and you'll never have him talking.
Vacation was awesome, My non vote would be on Dagger or Jskura.
I do read them. Clearly not that well.
Right but from all I see from Seppel to Iso is "follow me". How should I be looking into it?
You bet your ass it is.
And so you approve Dagger's use of it on Reya? And anyone he thinks he wants to use it on?